Redo the 2009 draft.

[.Shotties.]

Eh, I know I'm right - you probably do as well.

Checkmate. I'm not getting into a standard pissing contest about football knowledge, but if you think his defensive work (entailing "defensive spread, etc") is one of his weaker skills, your faith is probably a bit misguided.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Checkmate. I'm not getting into a standard pissing contest about football knowledge, but if you think his defensive work (entailing "defensive spread, etc") is one of his weaker skills, your faith is probably a bit misguided.

Nope, I think his endurance is the problem.

Really not that difficult to gather that from what I said.

 

[.Shotties.]

Nope, I think his endurance is the problem.

Really not that difficult to gather that from what I said.

Just as it's easy to gather you think his "defensive aspects" are a weak point given you posted it specifically.

Rohan reminds me of Blease - really needs to work on his...defensive aspects.

Knew I shouldn't have responded to someone who said "I know I'm right".

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Just as it's easy to gather you think his "defensive aspects" are a weak point given you posted it specifically.


Knew I shouldn't have responded to someone who said "I know I'm right".

Then in the next post I clarified what I meant - or doesn't that count?

 

[5 GB USB]

I'm a neutral, and Fyfe absolutely kicks the shit out of Martin, and I rate Martin but I'm judging it on right now and Fyfe rips anyone around him in that draft, now if u go in years to come who knows who will become the best but my top 5 would be in years to come is

1.Fyfe
2.Cunnington
3.Martin
4.Scully
5.Butcher (left field but this guys a Gun)

Honorable mentions to
Reid
Bastinac
Trendgrove
Duncan
Rohan
Moribito (u forget this guy, but can play)

Might of missed a couple.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I'll leave aside the mature draftees.

1. Fyfe
2. Martin
3. Cunnington
4. Scully
5. Jetta
6. Duncan
7. Reid
8. Christensen
9. Bastinac
10. Trengove


Cunnington gave Scully a touch up last night.

Cunnington: 33 disposals, 19 contested, 8 clearances, 3 tackles, 78% TG
Scully: 25 disposals, 9 contested, 2 clearances, 1 tackle, 89% TG

This shows that Geelong destroyed this draft. I think we've got 3 players from that draft who will end up better than him yet unbiased observers are putting him in the top 10. If Menzel gets over his injuries he'll be a top 10 player from this draft. Christensen's a jet and could be anything with a bit more muscle. Vardy's the speculative one but some of the things he does shouldn't be done by a guy that's almost 200cm. Then there's Duncan who's a really solid contributor and good user of it. Not bad for picks 17, 28, 40 and 42. Add in Laidler as a promoted rookie and Podsiadly as a rookie pick and it's a huge draft period for Geelong.

Winners out of the draft: Geelong, Sydney (Jetta, Reid and Rohan), Freo (Fyfe, Morabito)
Losers out of the draft: Melbourne (4 picks in the first 18 and none of them would be top 10 if you were picking now)

 

[The Joker]

This shows that Geelong destroyed this draft. I think we've got 3 players from that draft who will end up better than him yet unbiased observers are putting him in the top 10. If Menzel gets over his injuries he'll be a top 10 player from this draft. Christensen's a jet and could be anything with a bit more muscle. Vardy's the speculative one but some of the things he does shouldn't be done by a guy that's almost 200cm. Then there's Duncan who's a really solid contributor and good user of it. Not bad for picks 17, 28, 40 and 42. Add in Laidler as a promoted rookie and Podsiadly as a rookie pick and it's a huge draft period for Geelong.

Winners out of the draft: Geelong, Sydney (Jetta, Reid and Rohan), Freo (Fyfe, Morabito, Robberton, Barlow & Silvagni)
Losers out of the draft: Melbourne (4 picks in the first 18 and none of them would be top 10 if you were picking now)

Freo had a few ok cheap picks also

 

[yaco55]

2 goals, 12 disposals. I remember that game, he did a couple of really impressive things.

If Rohan had high numbers as a junior I wouldn't be so concerned about him. The fact that he's never been able to find enough of the footy is a worry.

How does he go in the time trials?

Agree

Sam Day is the new Gary Rohan - Drafted high on the back of not finding the ball.

 

[yaco55]

Fyfe is a long way ahead of the rest at this stage - Nearly made AA in his second year.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

I'll be watching Fyfe's kicking closely this weekend to see if he's really all that or whether there's a kink in the armour

 

[Bazzar]

1.Fyfe
2.Cunnington
3.Martin

Lol, Cunninton ahead of Martin. Best games he has played were this year against GWS, Suns, Melbourne and handy against the Pies. Lays a good tackle though.

 

[Spitta09]

1. Fyfe - Will be the best by a fair bit you would think
2. Martin- Showed more in his first year but expect him to get better next year.
3. Cunnington- Not many opposition supporters would know much about him but his last 6-7 rounds statistically match up with the best of the best. Coming on in leaps and bounds.
4. Jetta- Has had a great season could be higher.
5. Trengove- Has a lot of improvement left in him.

Don't rate Scully. Havn't seen enough of Talia to comment but from what i hear I would have him around or in top 5. If Menzel can get fit again he could end up behind Fyfe thats how highly i would rate him.

 

[Daz]

Lol, Cunninton ahead of Martin. Best games he has played were this year against GWS, Suns, Melbourne and handy against the Pies. Lays a good tackle though.

He's been as good, if not better, than Swallow over the last 6 weeks. Let's not sell him short. That being said, Martin can do things 99% of players can only dream of. They're two very different midfielders and despite Cunners' recent breakout, I'd still prefer Martin.

 

[Bazzar]

He's been as good, if not better, than Swallow over the last 6 weeks. Let's not sell him short. That being said, Martin can do things 99% of players can only dream of. They're two very different midfielders and despite Cunners' recent breakout, I'd still prefer Martin.

Not selling him short as he is going to be a gun and would absolutely love him at Richmond, but Martin has had 3 solid years and Cuninton an excellent back half with a spattering of good games here and there. At this stage they are still miles apart.

 

[Daz]

Not selling him short as he is going to be a gun and would absolutely love him at Richmond, but Martin has had 3 solid years and Cuninton an excellent back half with a spattering of good games here and there. At this stage they are still miles apart.

I've already said Martin is still ahead (and I expect him to remain ahead) but I don't think they're miles apart anymore. 2 months ago they certainly were. Now we've seen that Cunnington is capable of playing at a very high standard over a decent period of time. You can't fluke that and I doubt we'll ever see him struggle like he did initially ever again.

The initial years of a young players career aren't all that important. I doubt many North supporters would rate Bastinac over Cunnington despite Basti having 3 solid years over him. The same applies to Cotchin vs Dangerfield, Heppell vs Gaff etc.

 

[yaco55]

Think that Daniel Talia is rated too low.

Third Year KB regularly defeating the no 1 forward.

And Cunnington is far too high - Only started playing decent footy in the back half of 2012.

 

[THRILLHO]

I would pick Martin over Fyfe.

Martin has a big preseason and gets focused on the field he could kick 40-45 goals while running rampant in the midfield. Was probably overrated this year after a good first year and was thrown into Richmond's A band due moreso to potential than results when people were discussing their list and how it would improve.

He's probably that one piece they're missing to climb into the final 8.

Cunnington's been great this backhalf of the season, but there's a few guys here going too early yet again.

I'm hesitant to rate youngsters too early, but right now, Melbourne seem to have cocked this draft up terribly. I wonder if recruitment or development is the issue. I've been thinking of making a MB thread about it for awhile but have resisted as its pretty much pure trolling atm.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

I would pick Martin over Fyfe.

Martin has a big preseason and gets focused on the field he could kick 40-45 goals while running rampant in the midfield. Was probably overrated this year after a good first year and was thrown into Richmond's A band due moreso to potential than results when people were discussing their list and how it would improve.

He's probably that one piece they're missing to climb into the final 8.

Cunnington's been great this backhalf of the season, but there's a few guys here going too early yet again.

I'm hesitant to rate youngsters too early, but right now, Melbourne seem to have cocked this draft up terribly. I wonder if recruitment or development is the issue. I've been thinking of making a MB thread about it for awhile but have resisted as its pretty much pure trolling atm.

How so?

Trengove's having his worst AFL season, but his first two were excellent.

Scully will be a gun.

The only two players I'd take before those two are Martin and Fyfe - Reid and Talia are all potential at the moment.

Gysberts and Tapscott were mid first rounders who are going to be best 22 players for us.

Gawn and Fitzpatrick have dominated the VFL (Gawn last year) at times.

We didn't get it perfect, no doubt - but I think now we've got some proper coaching structure these kids will begin to develop properly... definitely not 'cocked up terribly'.

I'm genuinely interested by the way - feel free to explain exactly what you think of our drafting in 09.

 

[QS]

Fyfe in a canter. Freo have been criticised for crap drafting, but had a massive win there.

 

[goodoldcats]

Before he got injured I would not have traded menzel for anyone else in this draft. Tears quality teams apart, so strong through the core and one of the better one on one players I have seen, even against other elite players. Unfortunately 2 knees he may never get close to the top 10 of this draft

 

[Mister E]

I'm not biased unlike most of you here, and from and opposition supporter My top 10 would go like this

1.Nathan Fyfe - not 21 yet, already a grade
2.Dustin Martin - High skill level, long kicking and aggression rarely comes together in one package
3.Sam Reid - If he can stay fit, will be top 3 CHF in no time
4.Lewis Jetta - Is so damaging, is now being tagged in a top 4 team...could prossibly be AA
5.Ben Cunnington - Contested ball winners are vital, and he has a lot more to improve on
6.Mitch Duncan - Another Geelong gem, skilful, calm and poised
7.Daniel Talia - Holding CHB is no easy task, as we all know Defenders are never highly ranked..but he is good
8.Jake Carlisle - Has been given big jobs, and something tells me he will be very good
9.Jake Melksham - I like how he is developing, has skills, and a mean streak.3rd most games from this draft atm
10. Jack Trengrove - Being in a poor team has hampered his development, but in time he should catch up to Fyfe

Others considered

Daniel Menzel
Ryan Bastinac
Allen Christensen
Nathan Vardy

 

[The Joker]

Fyfe in a canter. Freo have been criticised for crap drafting, but had a massive win there.

Only by BF experts like yourself. Freo's drafting has actully been pretty good. No one can predict injuries.

 

[Slattery_20]

Only by BF experts like yourself. Freo's drafting has actully been pretty good. No one can predict injuries.

Was rubbish up to a certain point - 08? 09? around there - a lot of the improvement put down to getting Brad Lloyd over. It's been pretty good since.
There's a few drafts you got stuff-all out of. That ain't just BF experts.

 

[Daz]

How so?

Trengove's having his worst AFL season, but his first two were excellent.

Scully will be a gun.

The only two players I'd take before those two are Martin and Fyfe - Reid and Talia are all potential at the moment.

Gysberts and Tapscott were mid first rounders who are going to be best 22 players for us.

Gawn and Fitzpatrick have dominated the VFL (Gawn last year) at times.

We didn't get it perfect, no doubt - but I think now we've got some proper coaching structure these kids will begin to develop properly... definitely not 'cocked up terribly'.

I'm genuinely interested by the way - feel free to explain exactly what you think of our drafting in 09.

For starters, Talia is not 'all potential', that's a very strange comment.

With all due respect, while Tapscott and Gysberts may be best 22 for Melbourne eventually, I'm not sure that they'll ever be good enough to get a game in a strong team. Tapscott maybe as a lockdown player using his physicality.

You should be doing better with picks 1, 2, 11 and 19. With that, you're probably expecting 1-2 stars, 1 decent player and one miss. Scully and Trengove haven't be great for where they were taken and I'm not sure they have star quality but let's ignore them for the moment and rank those from 11-20. I'd go with:

Fyfe, Jetta, Talia, Menzel, Griffiths, Tapscott, Howard, Pittard, Lucas, Gysberts

There's not much between the last 5. I'm not sure how you could be happy with that draft considering what you had available. But who knows, maybe it's the coaches at fault, not the recruiters.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

For starters, Talia is not 'all potential', that's a very strange comment.

With all due respect, while Tapscott and Gysberts may be best 22 for Melbourne eventually, I'm not sure that they'll ever be good enough to get a game in a strong team. Tapscott maybe as a lockdown player using his physicality.

You should be doing better with picks 1, 2, 11 and 19. With that, you're probably expecting 1-2 stars, 1 decent player and one miss. Scully and Trengove haven't be great for where they were taken and I'm not sure they have star quality but let's ignore them for the moment and rank those from 11-20. I'd go with:

Fyfe, Jetta, Talia, Menzel, Griffiths, Tapscott, Howard, Pittard, Lucas, Gysberts

There's not much between the last 5. I'm not sure how you could be happy with that draft considering what you had available. But who knows, maybe it's the coaches at fault, not the recruiters.

If he was a 23 year old defender he'd be considered no better then a very good stopper; the fact that he's 21 this year makes his year impressive. I look at a key defender from my own team who's a year younger than Talia (Tom McDonald)... he averages almost double every statistic and does well for himself in the 1% department.

Tapscott was basically left to die in the Melbourne forward line this year - as were all our forwards bar Clark; Gysberts missed about 10 weeks of the season with injuries.

I'm not jumping for joy at that draft, especially considering Scully left - but I'm not thinking 'oh, shit - there's four wasted picks'.