Redo the 2009 draft.

[5 GB USB]

Lol, Cunninton ahead of Martin. Best games he has played were this year against GWS, Suns, Melbourne and handy against the Pies. Lays a good tackle though.

Yes Martin is the 2nd best in that draft by a long way but I said in years to come that's why I had Cunnington ahead, im not bagging Martin at all, he will be a gun but IMO I would have Cunnington ahead in years to come, but that's probably just me, anyway let's just agree we are both very happy with both players.

 

[Scotland]

Sheppard (7), Weedon (22), Stevens (23).

One guy who would be top 20 at a maybe, one who can't get a game and another who will probably be delisted.

At least we got 2008 & 2010 right...

 

[Bazzar]

Yes Martin is the 2nd best in that draft by a long way but I said in years to come that's why I had Cunnington ahead, im not bagging Martin at all, he will be a gun but IMO I would have Cunnington ahead in years to come, but that's probably just me, anyway let's just agree we are both very happy with both players.

Good call, and its always the case i would watch Martin very close, just like you and Cunninton and Freo supporters Fyfe and naturally we are going to be slightly biased.

 

[Lach72]

Sheppard (7), Weedon (22), Stevens (23).

One guy who would be top 20 at a maybe, one who can't get a game and another who will probably be delisted.

At least we got 2008 & 2010 right...

Was watching Jetta the other day thinking thank christ

 

[Scotland]

Was watching Jetta the other day thinking thank christ

Too old, no upside... or something.

Jury is still out on Sheppard but seeing a younger an equally weedy Gaff top 10 in the AFL for kicks in his second season makes me wonder...

 

[Bestbird]

Too old, no upside... or something.

Jury is still out on Sheppard but seeing a younger an equally weedy Gaff top 10 in the AFL for kicks in his second season makes me wonder...

Still baffled that we didn't pick up Jetta in this draft at 7 even though it seemed a bit early for a mature aged player

More so when Sheppard wasn't really touted as a top 10 pick at the time and may have lasted to our second pick anyway. He still looks promising though and it was good to see that he was used up forward mid year till injured.

 

[Scotland]

Still baffled that we didn't pick up Jetta in this draft at 7 even though it seemed a bit early for a mature aged player

More so when Sheppard wasn't really touted as a top 10 pick at the time and may have lasted to our second pick anyway. He still looks promising though and it was good to see that he was used up forward mid year till injured.

Jetta is two years older than most of the class of 2009. I think people overstate his 'mature age' status. He's into his 3rd season at AFL level and at only 23 has played 62 games, while a few taken before him do not like reaching that mark by the same age.

Good no bullshit draft selection from the Swans. Would love to have him at WC.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Too old, no upside... or something.

Jury is still out on Sheppard but seeing a younger an equally weedy Gaff top 10 in the AFL for kicks in his second season makes me wonder...

I wouldn't let Gaff reduce your opinion of your younger players - I knew him all through school (not mates, just through sports) and there was no way he wasn't going to have an immediate impact despite his lack of size.

His all round ability and work ethic (not just in sport) made that pretty obvious.

He's a freak.

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

27 per game this season taking his injured games out.

Martin hangs out with tools. Is a tool. Will never be captain material.

Mate i think you're actually the biggest tool. If you dont know D. Martin personally then stop bagging him as a bloke because this discussion is purely football related. Just appreciate that both Fyfe and Martin are quality young players. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, thats what sport is all about.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Mate i think you're actually the biggest tool. If you dont know D. Martin personally then stop bagging him as a bloke because this discussion is purely football related. Just appreciate that both Fyfe and Martin are quality young players. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, thats what sport is all about.

But Martin has a ratty haircut and neck tattoos.

 

[Hodge is God]

Tom Scully: Pass.

 

[5 GB USB]

Good call, and its always the case i would watch Martin very close, just like you and Cunninton and Freo supporters Fyfe and naturally we are going to be slightly biased.

Exactly, it's gonna be great to watch Cunners, Martin and Fyfe progress, love watching each of them cause their all different players in there own right.

 

[THRILLHO]

If he was a 23 year old defender he'd be considered no better then a very good stopper; the fact that he's 21 this year makes his year impressive. I look at a key defender from my own team who's a year younger than Talia (Tom McDonald)... he averages almost double every statistic and does well for himself in the 1% department.

Tapscott was basically left to die in the Melbourne forward line this year - as were all our forwards bar Clark; Gysberts missed about 10 weeks of the season with injuries.

I'm not jumping for joy at that draft, especially considering Scully left - but I'm not thinking 'oh, shit - there's four wasted picks'.

I simply do not rate Gysberts or Tapscott and I don't think Scully will end up being in the top 20 of this draft when the dust settles. I think Trengove will be an okay player, but I don't think he'll be in the top 10 of this draft.

Four picks in the top 20 and only one who will finish there. If Melbourne nailed this draft they'd be a lock to make the eight in 2013, but as it is, they've missed and they have to go to the well again. I'm not sure what Scully offers? He has AFL attributes, but nothing that stands out. One paced, standard foot skills, not strong overhead, not a clearance specialist, doesn't have vision in traffic. He's like an inferior, tagging version of Cunnington. Has elite endurance, but that means nothing in the AFL.

I'd also question taking four players who are very similar in their attributes. It's hindsight now, but at the time, Scully and Trengove weren't clear cut 1 & 2. Martin was right up there. You should've taken one of Scully and Trengove and taken Martin with two simply because Martin + Scully/Trengove complements each other far more.

 

[Daz]

I simply do not rate Gysberts or Tapscott and I don't think Scully will end up being in the top 20 of this draft when the dust settles. I think Trengove will be an okay player, but I don't think he'll be in the top 10 of this draft.

Four picks in the top 20 and only one who will finish there. If Melbourne nailed this draft they'd be a lock to make the eight in 2013, but as it is, they've missed and they have to go to the well again. I'm not sure what Scully offers? He has AFL attributes, but nothing that stands out. One paced, standard foot skills, not strong overhead, not a clearance specialist, doesn't have vision in traffic. He's like an inferior, tagging version of Cunnington. Has elite endurance, but that means nothing in the AFL.

I'd also question taking four players who are very similar in their attributes. It's hindsight now, but at the time, Scully and Trengove weren't clear cut 1 & 2. Martin was right up there. You should've taken one of Scully and Trengove and taken Martin with two simply because Martin + Scully/Trengove complements each other far more.

He has Cunners well and truly covered for leg speed.

 

[The Joker]

I simply do not rate Gysberts or Tapscott and I don't think Scully will end up being in the top 20 of this draft when the dust settles. I think Trengove will be an okay player, but I don't think he'll be in the top 10 of this draft.

Four picks in the top 20 and only one who will finish there. If Melbourne nailed this draft they'd be a lock to make the eight in 2013, but as it is, they've missed and they have to go to the well again. I'm not sure what Scully offers? He has AFL attributes, but nothing that stands out. One paced, standard foot skills, not strong overhead, not a clearance specialist, doesn't have vision in traffic. He's like an inferior, tagging version of Cunnington. Has elite endurance, but that means nothing in the AFL.

I'd also question taking four players who are very similar in their attributes. It's hindsight now, but at the time, Scully and Trengove weren't clear cut 1 & 2. Martin was right up there. You should've taken one of Scully and Trengove and taken Martin with two simply because Martin + Scully/Trengove complements each other far more.

You are on the money there, these 5 players alone would make a massive difference to that rabble.

1. D Martin
2. D Talia
11. L Jetta
18.N Fyfe

Rookie pick
6. M Barlow

Thank **** for that

 

[Blaz]

If you want to run comparisons...

Apart from the games Fyfe was injured he averages 27 per game this year. Martin 22.

Martin still plays predominantly outside with about 30% contested possessions.

Fyfe gets almost 60% of his possessions as contested possessions.

Fyfe is more consistent.
Fyfe is a much better contested mark. He is also a much better on and off field leader. Stands up when counted. Makes more tackles than Martin. Much more team oriented.

Martin simply pops pills and gets suspended when his team needs him most resulting in Richmond losing games it should of won and costing it a finals berth.

I thought you wanted to run comparisons?

I was waiting for the "Fyfe on the other hand is just such an angel, strives for world peace, donates to charity etc...."

 

[Wargreymon90]

Lol at people writing Trengove off. He will be a gun! Once the club has moved up the ladder, he will be in contention for brownlows

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

Lol at people writing Trengove off. He will be a gun! Once the club has moved up the ladder, he will be in contention for brownlows

True, he is a classy fellow! Next year may well be his breakout year!

 

[Offsider]

Last year Trengove had a very good year, but he seems to have changed his role a bit this year as captain and really tried to work on his defensive game and nullify the player that he is playing on. This seems to have affected his offensive output somewhat, although he was still quite reasonable. He looks to be improving into a very well rounded mid, and is definitely ahead of Cunnington on current output. Also Lewis Jetta is the only player from 2009 Draft to make the All Australian Squad this year, an excellent effort.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

I simply do not rate Gysberts or Tapscott and I don't think Scully will end up being in the top 20 of this draft when the dust settles. I think Trengove will be an okay player, but I don't think he'll be in the top 10 of this draft.

Four picks in the top 20 and only one who will finish there. If Melbourne nailed this draft they'd be a lock to make the eight in 2013, but as it is, they've missed and they have to go to the well again. I'm not sure what Scully offers? He has AFL attributes, but nothing that stands out. One paced, standard foot skills, not strong overhead, not a clearance specialist, doesn't have vision in traffic. He's like an inferior, tagging version of Cunnington. Has elite endurance, but that means nothing in the AFL.

I'd also question taking four players who are very similar in their attributes. It's hindsight now, but at the time, Scully and Trengove weren't clear cut 1 & 2. Martin was right up there. You should've taken one of Scully and Trengove and taken Martin with two simply because Martin + Scully/Trengove complements each other far more.

But Trengove and Scully are completely different players - Scully has brilliant hands, great acceleration and is a clearance machine - he averaged 4 or so in his first season at Melbourne; his vision and hands in congestion are excellent... he's not an outside mid, despite his role this year, when he gets some more size he will be in the middle.

Will be a top 5 player from this draft.

Trengove is an all round player - there's nothing he isn't good at - his marking ability, goal sense and disposal give him that bit of x-factor as well; he's had a shit year, but I've got full confidence in his ability to become one of the best from this draft.

Tapscott is, again, a completely different player - manic attack on the contest and can kick a ball 65 metres and hit a target most times; has never managed even half a pre-season, his fitness isn't up to scratch.

Gysberts and Scully are the most similar, but the only similarity is that they're both inside mids.

 

[Footy Smarts]

How so?

Trengove's having his worst AFL season, but his first two were excellent.

Scully will be a gun.

The only two players I'd take before those two are Martin and Fyfe - Reid and Talia are all potential at the moment.

Gysberts and Tapscott were mid first rounders who are going to be best 22 players for us.

Gawn and Fitzpatrick have dominated the VFL (Gawn last year) at times.

We didn't get it perfect, no doubt - but I think now we've got some proper coaching structure these kids will begin to develop properly... definitely not 'cocked up terribly'.

I'm genuinely interested by the way - feel free to explain exactly what you think of our drafting in 09.

This is the type of thinking that leads to clubs spending long periods down the bottom of the ladder.

You had 4 picks in the top 18 including 1 and 2. You'd hope from that to get quality. Since all 4 were smalls it's reasonable to start judging them now because smalls take less time to develop. Only Gysberts with his injuries really has a solid excuse.

Right now the only one of the 4 I'd have in the top 10 prospects from that draft is Trengove. He struggled this year but looks quality. Scully just doesn't look like superstar material. He's got all the attributes to be a solid, consistent AFL player but you want a lot more than that from a number 1 pick. There would be 20 players who have shown more from the draft and nothing really suggests he's going to change it around soon. I think Melbourne got a massive break by getting 2 first rounders for him.

Gysberts should be given more time. Tapscott has been a disappointment. Doesn't look any better than just ok and hasn't managed to impact games in any meaningful way. You skipped numerous times on all of Menzel, Fyfe, Talia, Carlisle, Duncan, Gunston, Reid, Christensen and Vardy. The only Melbourne pick that looks an equal or better prospect than these players is Trengove. Whether it's drafting or development I'd say it's a pretty horrible hit rate.

 

[Todman]

Hawthorn drafted Ben Stratton

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

This is the type of thinking that leads to clubs spending long periods down the bottom of the ladder.

You had 4 picks in the top 18 including 1 and 2. You'd hope from that to get quality. Since all 4 were smalls it's reasonable to start judging them now because smalls take less time to develop. Only Gysberts with his injuries really has a solid excuse.

Right now the only one of the 4 I'd have in the top 10 prospects from that draft is Trengove. He struggled this year but looks quality. Scully just doesn't look like superstar material. He's got all the attributes to be a solid, consistent AFL player but you want a lot more than that from a number 1 pick. There would be 20 players who have shown more from the draft and nothing really suggests he's going to change it around soon. I think Melbourne got a massive break by getting 2 first rounders for him.

Gysberts should be given more time. Tapscott has been a disappointment. Doesn't look any better than just ok and hasn't managed to impact games in any meaningful way. You skipped numerous times on all of Menzel, Fyfe, Talia, Carlisle, Duncan, Gunston, Reid, Christensen and Vardy. The only Melbourne pick that looks an equal or better prospect than these players is Trengove. Whether it's drafting or development I'd say it's a pretty horrible hit rate.

I don't agree with anything you've said - except that Trengove will be a gun .

Scully will be elite.

Look at those players you've mentioned - all bar Fyfe have gone to clubs with a strong culture and a great record of developing players; and Freo are turning the corner in this area as well.

At pick 18, given his injury history, Tapscott definitely deserves as much time as Gysberts.

 

[Slattery_20]

4 picks in the top 20 and only 1 convincingly in their best side can't be seen as a success.
Just can't be.

Might not be a failure - yet - but FFS, ThePuppetMaster, now's not the time to be yapping - very big question marks on Gys, Tapscott & Scully. Undeniable.

Martin, Jetta, Reid, Bastinac, Duncan & Fyfe are probably the biggest success stories of that draft so far - Gysberts, Shephard, Scully, Weedon have gone the other way.

There's easily 5 I'd take before Scully. Easily. He was the most prepared, "professional" (ha), ready-to-go kid in the draft - but I don't think he was the best, not by a long shot.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Scully will surprise a lot of you apparently - I've got no reason to defend him, we've been compensated very well and he torched my club.

I have question marks on Gysberts and Tapscott too, but it's more in relation to physical conditioning rather than football ability.