Redo the 2009 draft.

[mufassa]

I'm not biased unlike most of you here, and from and opposition supporter My top 10 would go like this

1.Nathan Fyfe - not 21 yet, already a grade
2.Dustin Martin - High skill level, long kicking and aggression rarely comes together in one package
3.Sam Reid - If he can stay fit, will be top 3 CHF in no time
4.Lewis Jetta - Is so damaging, is now being tagged in a top 4 team...could prossibly be AA
5.Ben Cunnington - Contested ball winners are vital, and he has a lot more to improve on
6.Mitch Duncan - Another Geelong gem, skilful, calm and poised
7.Daniel Talia - Holding CHB is no easy task, as we all know Defenders are never highly ranked..but he is good
8.Jake Carlisle - Has been given big jobs, and something tells me he will be very good
9.Jake Melksham - I like how he is developing, has skills, and a mean streak.3rd most games from this draft atm
10. Jack Trengrove - Being in a poor team has hampered his development, but in time he should catch up to Fyfe

Others considered

Daniel Menzel
Ryan Bastinac
Allen Christensen
Nathan Vardy

Jake Melksham??? he had a woeful 2012 and a lot of Essendon supporters were left disappointed each week he kept getting a game. How can you rate him ahead of Bastinac?

Basti averged 23.2 touches per game V Melksham 14.9. That is a huge difference.

 

[Essendonia]

Jake Melksham??? he had a woeful 2012 and a lot of Essendon supporters were left disappointed each week he kept getting a game. How can you rate him ahead of Bastinac?

Basti averged 23.2 touches per game V Melksham 14.9. That is a huge difference.

Not all about disposals. Melksham had no more than an average output overall, but is notching up games and will come into his own eventually. Supporter opinion doesn't necessarily reflect output or performance.

I was surprised to see Melksham in the list, and Bastinac would probably be ahead of him, at least for 2012, though I haven't seen much of North.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I don't agree with anything you've said - except that Trengove will be a gun .

Scully will be elite.

Look at those players you've mentioned - all bar Fyfe have gone to clubs with a strong culture and a great record of developing players; and Freo are turning the corner in this area as well.

At pick 18, given his injury history, Tapscott definitely deserves as much time as Gysberts.

So basically you're saying that you didn't stuff up the drafting, you stuffed up the development. Honestly does it make any difference? I don't know how a Melbourne supporter can look at that draft and not admit that right now it looks like they were the big losers out of it.

Between Geelong and Melbourne, 9 picks were taken before number 42. Melbourne had easily the higher picks and had 5 of those players. Right now I'd say that Geelong's 4 picks will end up being in the top 6 of those players along with Trengove and Scully (and I think Scully will be the worst of those).

I think any unbiased observer would look at that draft and say Melbourne did no better than 4 out of 10. In my mind that's even being generous considering the talent in the draft and the picks you had. Attempting to justify poor picks and poor development just allows ineptitude to spread. In reality serious questions need to be asked about why Melbourne did so poorly with so many prized picks because if you don't you're liable to make similar mistakes with similar picks this year.

 

[mufassa]

Not all about disposals. Melksham had no more than an average output overall, but is notching up games and will come into his own eventually. Supporter opinion doesn't necessarily reflect output or performance.

I was surprised to see Melksham in the list, and Bastinac would probably be ahead of him, at least for 2012, though I haven't seen much of North.

I agree disposals is not everything - but that is a big difference from two mids at the same age.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

So basically you're saying that you didn't stuff up the drafting, you stuffed up the development. Honestly does it make any difference? I don't know how a Melbourne supporter can look at that draft and not admit that right now it looks like they were the big losers out of it.

Between Geelong and Melbourne, 9 picks were taken before number 42. Melbourne had easily the higher picks and had 5 of those players. Right now I'd say that Geelong's 4 picks will end up being in the top 6 of those players along with Trengove and Scully (and I think Scully will be the worst of those).

I think any unbiased observer would look at that draft and say Melbourne did no better than 4 out of 10. In my mind that's even being generous considering the talent in the draft and the picks you had. Attempting to justify poor picks and poor development just allows ineptitude to spread. In reality serious questions need to be asked about why Melbourne did so poorly with so many prized picks because if you don't you're liable to make similar mistakes with similar picks this year.

I don't think we've done that poorly.

Two of the kids haven't strung together half a pre-season and have missed significant periods of time with injury - this happens unfortunately.

I'm not calling it a success, I'm saying the kids have ability and the jury's out to whether or not the draft will be a pass for us.

Why do you think there have been massive overhauls in the football department? Do you think we thought that perhaps our development was off track?

Our recruting under Bailey was a bit misguided as well; he favored players with athletic ability and 'upside' over footballers (in general - not aplicable all the time)

It's no surprise that young players are play good footy in a good side and aveage footy in a shit side... is it?

 

[Slattery_20]

Attempting to justify poor picks and poor development just allows ineptitude to spread. In reality serious questions need to be asked about why Melbourne did so poorly with so many prized picks because if you don't you're liable to make similar mistakes with similar picks this year.

To be fair, Melbourne's ex-recruiting manager (Prendergast) has been, err, how to put it politely - allowed some leisure time to pursue other opportunities.

 

[Slattery_20]

It's no surprise that young players are play good footy in a good side and aveage footy in a shit side... is it?

I think you're over-rating how good Freo were when Fyfe came in, how good Richmond were when Martin came in, and how bad we've been over various spells.

 

[THRILLHO]

Reported in today's HS that Gysberts may be on the move along with Lucas Cook from the 2010 draft.

Wow.

 

[Essendonia]

I agree disposals is not everything - but that is a big difference from two mids at the same age.

Sure is. I'm hoping that he increases his output next year, as he has played enough matches to be showing a bit more. Where does Cunnington play, predominantly?

 

[mufassa]

Sure is. I'm hoping that he increases his output next year, as he has played enough matches to be showing a bit more. Where does Cunnington play, predominantly?

Midfield.

 

[Essendonia]

Midfield.

Thanks.

Well for the sake of your comparison, Melksham wouldn't be spending as much time purely on the ball as Cunnington, and would therefore be expected to have lower disposal counts. How much lower, though, I couldn't say.

 

[Daz]

Thanks.

Well for the sake of your comparison, Melksham wouldn't be spending as much time purely on the ball as Cunnington, and would therefore be expected to have lower disposal counts. How much lower, though, I couldn't say.

Cunnington's played the last 7 weeks in the midfield. Before then, he spent a lot of time up forward.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

To be fair, Melbourne's ex-recruiting manager (Prendergast) has been, err, how to put it politely - allowed some leisure time to pursue other opportunities.

He's working at Carlton actually... not in recruiting though

I think you're over-rating how good Freo were when Fyfe came in, how good Richmond were when Martin came in, and how bad we've been over various spells.

Freo and Richmond were better sides than we are now - it's not like Gysberts, Trengove and Tapscott haven't played good footy for us.

Trengove finished 5th in our BnF as a 20 year old last year.

Gysberts and Tapscott both had a good run of form before injuries last year.

Again, I'm not saying this was a win for us - just that it's far from a fail; these kids won't be the only two to struggle with injury early in their AFL career.

 

[Robbo92]

As a Richmond fan I'll admit to Fyfe being the better player right now, more or less due to his consistency at his age which is just unbelievable. I'd still take Dusty though, he is going to be a monster.

 

[Bazzar]

First year Brownlow voting - Martin 6, Fyfe 5, Trengove 0
Second year Brownlow voting - Fyfe 13, Martin 12, Trengove 1

Big difference just in that alone.

 

[Essendonia]

Cunnington's played the last 7 weeks in the midfield. Before then, he spent a lot of time up forward.

Cheers.

On that basis, the comparative stats appear to be somewhat damning against my boy, though not calamitous. Will be interesting to track the two in future seasons.

 

[The Swert]

There was a draft in 2009?

The Hawks completely forgot about it. We traded away our first three picks and only Stratton has become a regular. I think pick 39 must be one of the lowest first picks ever in a draft.

I stand corrected. Fremantle's first pick in 2004 was #59 after they traded their first three picks for Josh Carr lol

 

[Number 10]

There was a draft in 2009?

The Hawks completely forgot about it. We traded away our first three picks and only Stratton has become a regular. I think pick 39 must be one of the lowest first picks ever in a draft.

We beat you when GC and GWS came along... (And trust me, it's no prize to win at this lol) Fasolo was our first pick at 45 in 2010 and Paine was our first pick at 50 in the 2011 draft...

But how good those players are for their pick!

Collingwood's 09 draft was Ball, Sinclair, J Thomas and Simon Buckley. Mixed emotions.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Same reason you prefer Fyfe. You follow freo. Dont kid yourself, it isnt that cut and dried.

Wrong, every intelligent person prefers Fyfe over Martin

 

[Bazzar]

Wrong, every intelligent person prefers Fyfe over Martin

You mean no intelligent person listens to a carlton supporter.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

You mean no intelligent person listens to a carlton supporter.

Hahah, a Carlton supporter?? I am more than a Carlton supporter, I am FlowersByIrene, supreme owner of all knowledge

 

[Mister E]

Jake Melksham??? he had a woeful 2012 and a lot of Essendon supporters were left disappointed each week he kept getting a game. How can you rate him ahead of Bastinac?

Basti averged 23.2 touches per game V Melksham 14.9. That is a huge difference.

I haven't watched enough North games, but I assume North's game-plan contributes somewhat to his high possession rate, I agree though that Melksham hasn't been great this year...but I'm sure he will be a very good player soon

 

[Keystone agony]

1. Fyfe
2. Martin
3. Christensen
4. Trengove
5. Reid
6. Cunnington
7. Bastinac
8. Scully
9. Duncan
10. Crameri
11. Talia
12. Carlisle
13. Jetta
14. Rohan
15. Morabito

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

First year Brownlow voting - Martin 6, Fyfe 5, Trengove 0
Second year Brownlow voting - Fyfe 13, Martin 12, Trengove 1

Big difference just in that alone.

I don't think anyone's disputing that...

 

[The Joker]

There was a draft in 2009?

The Hawks completely forgot about it. We traded away our first three picks and only Stratton has become a regular. I think pick 39 must be one of the lowest first picks ever in a draft.

I stand corrected. Fremantle's first pick in 2004 was #59 after they traded their first three picks for Josh Carr lol

its not as funny as it sounds, from the three picks only Justin Sherman is still on an AFL list. And Car was better than what Sherman is.