Redo the 2009 draft.

[mattyc75]

A year the West Coast recruiting dept will want to forget, that's for sure.

no doubt about it

 

[Pat_Footy]

A year the West Coast recruiting dept will want to forget, that's for sure.

Boy.... horrible draft year for WC.
I was very happy with Sheppard but boy is Jetta lighting it up.

 

[94_Eagles]

Boy.... horrible draft year for WC.
I was very happy with Sheppard but boy is Jetta lighting it up.

But we totally destroyed the 2010 draft doe

 

[Browne Eye]

fyfe averages 24 disposals...also you make it sound like Martin is a drug addict if you think that then you are an idiot.

Anyone objective can see that Fyfe, at this point, is easily a better player than Martin. Martin still a real game changer though.

 

[iGNITER]

Not so much the Top 5 players, but the 5 players I would pick to come to Collingwood.

1. Martin
2. Fyfe
3. Jetta
4. Reid
5. Menzel

Sydney killed it in this draft.

 

[Theo X]

I'll leave aside the mature draftees.

1. Fyfe
2. Martin
3. Cunnington
4. Scully
5. Jetta
6. Duncan
7. Reid
8. Christensen
9. Bastinac
10. Trengove


Cunnington gave Scully a touch up last night.

Cunnington: 33 disposals, 19 contested, 8 clearances, 3 tackles, 78% TG
Scully: 25 disposals, 9 contested, 2 clearances, 1 tackle, 89% TG

Cunnington at 3 Hahhahahahah

 

[Astro Bomber]

The one and only, will go down as the best pick twenty in the history of the game.

I'm sure this bloke has something to say about that:

 

[Browne Eye]

Cunnington at 3 Hahhahahahah

He's a North Melbourne supporter, I'm surprised he didn't put him at Number 1.

 

[Slattery_20]

I said I had bias in my first response. Also the fact Menzel has not done anything since 2011 does not count he did his acl twice and has not played a game. Christiansen has played well this year despite carring a number of injuries from early in the season. while it is not much of a guide i remember he was averaging about 120 DT points for the last 8 or so games in 2011 when he was fit and not sub.
Crameri is also 24 all ready and he should have shown all the potential he has, the fact he need's bigger names with him in the forward line for him to play well bring's him down a bit for me.

We have big name forwards now? Who knew!

How do you make out that Menzel doesn't need big-name forwards alongside him, given that every game he's played has been with at least one, normally 2 50-60 goal forwards (Johnson & Pods/ Tomahawk / Mooney) next to him ? And Ablett/Bartel/Kelly hitting him lace out rather than Lonergan/NLM doing their best.

Stewey's played well as the #1 man - see the Brisbane game this year or the Richmond game last year, there's a number of other games Hurley has gone back & Stewey's still played well.

 

[GloblFotbalCrsis]

We have big name forwards now? Who knew!

How do you make out that Menzel doesn't need big-name forwards alongside him, given that every game he's played has been with at least one, normally 2 50-60 goal forwards (Johnson & Pods/ Tomahawk / Mooney) next to him ? And Ablett/Bartel/Kelly hitting him lace out rather than Lonergan/NLM doing their best.

Stewey's played well as the #1 man - see the Brisbane game this year or the Richmond game last year, there's a number of other games Hurley has gone back & Stewey's still played well.

When menzel was playing in 2011 mooney was on his last leg's and was dropped for most of the time, hawkins was not the player he is now and played a lot of time in the vfl while pods was 30 or so. johnson on the other hand has played as midfielder for the past couple of seasons. in the end menzel was often playing with a 19 year old ruckman and a handy 30 year old.
As for the midfield Menzel is the type of player where it should not matter and either way ablett had all ready gone and your mids are not that bad.
all i remember is in 2011 when you had one of your many injury crisis's there were comments Crameri dropped but he may have changed I obviously do not see as much of him as you

 

[Slattery_20]

When menzel was playing in 2011 mooney was on his last leg's and was dropped for most of the time, hawkins was not the player he is not and played a lot of time in the vfl while pods was 30 or so. johnson on the other hand has played as midfielder for the past couple of seasons. in the end menzel was often playing with a 19 year old ruckman and a handy 30 year old.

Virtually every game he's played has been with 2 solid forward targets and a superstar mid-sized forward/mid so he's always copped a 3rd or 4th string defender.

Criticise Crameri for only being able to play well with other good forwards is ludicrous... you guys have 3-4 forwards better than anyone we've got, on performance.

all i remember is in 2011 when you had one of your many injury crisis's there were comments Crameri dropped but he may have changed I obviously do not see as much of him as you

It's a fair comment in & of itself TBH. A fair bit of that stems from further up the field, but he's been pretty poor in the run home both years.

 

[Kcrack]

He's a North Melbourne supporter, I'm surprised he didn't put him at Number 1.

I'm guessing neither of you read his post after that one.

Apologies. My post reflects how i think they will end up in a few years when they have all matured.

 

[Browne Eye]

I'm guessing neither of you read his post after that one.

In fact I did.
Doesn't change the fact that putting Cunnington and Bastinac at 3 and 9 is grossly biased.
Scully, matured and in a winning team will kill it. Reid and Jetta are much better than Cunnington and will keep improving.
I just don't see how these conclusions were made without supporter goggles. They're over-ambitious.

 

[The Finger]

I'm guessing neither of you read his post after that one.

Still doesnt excuse it. Considering he had him higher than Sam Reid.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

In fact I did.
Doesn't change the fact that putting Cunnington and Bastinac at 3 and 9 is grossly biased.

Then.

Reid and Jetta are much better than Cunnington and will keep improving.
I just don't see how these conclusions were made without supporter goggles. They're over-ambitious.

Moron.

 

[Browne Eye]

Boy.... horrible draft year for WC.
I was very happy with Sheppard but boy is Jetta lighting it up.

Is Sheppard highly rated by WC supporters at this point in his career? From what I've seen he seems to struggle at the pace of AFL level. From the very little I've seen.

 

[Browne Eye]

Then.



Moron.

Name calling in response to a valid argument isn't actually achieving anything towards proving me wrong.
Care to explain why Cunnington will be a better player than those you've placed below him?

 

[Kcrack]

Care to explain why Cunnington will be a better player than those you've placed below him?

Care to explain how you know so much about the future? For all we know Jack Watts could be the next Wayne Carey in 3 years.

 

[Slattery_20]

Wouldn't the Dees go for a tall?

Reid/Talia/Griffiths/Carlisle ?

Pretty even first 4-5 midfielders. Then another 15 or so good ones. But 3 years down the track, in magical hindsight world, Melbourne were still looking for a tall forward this trade period - and that's after taking Watts, Clark & Cook with early picks.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Name calling in response to a valid argument isn't actually achieving anything towards proving me wrong.

I don't need to prove anything to you. Who are you that I should need to impress?

Your hypocrisy has already placed you several tens of IQ points below discussion worthiness.

Care to explain why Cunnington will be a better player than those you've placed below him?

No.

Keep checking in case a person capable of adequate conversation skills happens upon this thread. You might just fluke it for a response.

 

[swansfan51]

A premiership was built on Sydney's 2009 offseason

Josh Kennedy
Ben McGlynn
Shane Mumford
Gary Rohan
Lewis Jetta
Sam Reid

Sumner has been delisted and Dennis-Lane traded for a similar draft pick, but that is an immense return

 

[Cotchinsastar]

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If you want to run comparisons...

Apart from the games Fyfe was injured he averages 27 per game this year. Martin 22.

Martin still plays predominantly outside with about 30% contested possessions.

Fyfe gets almost 60% of his possessions as contested possessions.

Fyfe is more consistent.
Fyfe is a much better contested mark. He is also a much better on and off field leader. Stands up when counted. Makes more tackles than Martin. Much more team oriented.

Martin simply pops pills and gets suspended when his team needs him most resulting in Richmond losing games it should of won and costing it a finals berth.

I agree that fyfe is better, but Martin is a different player.

Fyfe-all round good mid inside and out and gets lots of the ball

Martin-dynamic, occasional 30+ touch player. He is just less consistent, I remember a game against NM he got 35 touches and 4 goals and completely dominated

It's scary to see Martin at his best, he dominates. But fyfe is. More of a consistent player who will be a potential brownlow medallist if he stays uninjured

 

[Cotchinsastar]

Fyfe would be first, then followed by Martin and jetta IMO

 

[placebo]

Is Sheppard highly rated by WC supporters at this point in his career? From what I've seen he seems to struggle at the pace of AFL level. From the very little I've seen.

Highly rated by most with a brain. Was best 22 in the second half of the season when he was given more freedom on a half forward flank before he copped an injury.

There's an interview with Worsfold earlier in the year talking about when he was drafted, he was drafted as a '4 year down the track player', someone who'll really hit his stride in his early 20's and he placed him within the future midfield group. Most of us hope he'll end up on the wing with the ability to play on the flanks when needed (much like Embley at his prime). He's quick, highly skilled and really improved his intensity this year. Will he be a top 7 pick? Probably not, but he'll play a lot of games for us.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

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I agree that fyfe is better, but Martin is a different player.

Fyfe-all round good mid inside and out and gets lots of the ball

Martin-dynamic, occasional 30+ touch player. He is just less consistent, I remember a game against NM he got 35 touches and 4 goals and completely dominated

It's scary to see Martin at his best, he dominates. But fyfe is. More of a consistent player who will be a potential brownlow medallist if he stays uninjured

Great post , I'm a big admirer of both these guys.
I also would add that Martin has Fyfe well covered with kicking whilst Fyfe has Martin covered in the air.
Martin needs more of the ball whilst Fyfe can work a bit more on his disposal efficiency.......I think we'd find room for either at the Cattery !!