Redo the 2009 draft.

[Donkey Chop]

Lol. A bog average midfielder at best

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Keep an eye on him today

 

[Heaps of fun]

Lol. A bog average midfielder at best

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Why would you have 10,000 posts on a football forum when you're this clueless about football? I hope you have other interests that you understand more about.

 

[Tulip]

Cunnington is really good. Not elite, but certainly not bog average. He reminds me a lot of Nathan Jones, though maybe a tad slower but without the abomination of a team around him.

 

[Tulip]

Is redoing the draft about what the players have achieved to date, or are we still going on potential?

Cunnington has had a better career so far

Wait what? How is Gawn 'potential'? Big guys take longer to develop, particularly those who have done two ACLs.

He came into the side in mid-2015, had a great second half of the season, had such a good pre-season that Roos gave him a bonus out of his own pocket, and became the best ruck in the competition. Started this year off beautifully before doing his hammy. You'd have to be a bit dim to suggest he's 'potential' because he's played less games - he's probably the best ruckman in the league bar none.

1. Fyfe
2. Martin
3. Gawn
4. Talia
5. Scully

Is how I'd take them. Can't split 1 and 2, can't split 3 and 4. Rate Scully highly, absolute machine, but he's not as good as the first two and a midfielder is less valuable than a tall in the open market.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Salary cap cheating accusations against Roos?

 

[Tulip]

Salary cap cheating accusations against Roos?

Gave him $50 out of his own pocket during the final team meeting because it was the best pre-season he'd ever seen, lol. Take that one to the ACCC if you must.

 

[Donkey Chop]

Wait what? How is Gawn 'potential'? Big guys take longer to develop, particularly those who have done two ACLs.

He came into the side in mid-2015, had a great second half of the season, had such a good pre-season that Roos gave him a bonus out of his own pocket, and became the best ruck in the competition. Started this year off beautifully before doing his hammy. You'd have to be a bit dim to suggest he's 'potential' because he's played less games - he's probably the best ruckman in the league bar none.

1. Fyfe
2. Martin
3. Gawn
4. Talia
5. Scully

Is how I'd take them. Can't split 1 and 2, can't split 3 and 4. Rate Scully highly, absolute machine, but he's not as good as the first two and a midfielder is less valuable than a tall in the open market.

Gawn has only played 64 games. Based on careers so far you'd have to be dim to pick him in the top 3.

 

[Tulip]

Gawn has only played 64 games. Based on careers so far you'd have to be dim to pick him in the top 3.

No, you wouldn't. Firrito and Anthony Rocca played 200 games, are they better players than Gawn too? Gawn's last 50 games are as good as anybodys in the competition.

 

[Donkey Chop]

No, you wouldn't. Firrito and Anthony Rocca played 200 games, are they better players than Gawn too? Gawn's last 50 games are as good as anybodys in the competition.

If Gawns career ended now, then yes, Rocca & Firrito would be better options.

It's why I asked if it's based on output or potential.

Gawn has had 1 elite year. He has the potential to have more. Still, as it stands he's only had 1.

 

[Tulip]

If Gawns career ended now, then yes, Rocca & Firrito would be better options.

It's why I asked if it's based on output or potential.

Gawn has had 1 elite year. He has the potential to have more. Still, as it stands he's only had 1.

I understand what you mean, but you need to account for current output more than future output in a draft group that is only just about to hit its peak.

If you're drafting based on their careers ending now with the drafting team getting their output from 2010-2017, then Gawn drops a little down the list.

 

[Snake_Baker]

No, you wouldn't. Firrito and Anthony Rocca played 200 games, are they better players than Gawn too?

Over the course of an entire career? Yes.

You are confusing potential with facts.

Absurd comparisons.

Gawn's last 50 games are as good as anybodys in the competition.

Calm down.

Gawn has cracked the 20 disposal mark twice in his career.

 

[Tulip]

Over the course of an entire career? Yes.

You are confusing potential with facts.

Absurd comparisons.



Calm down.

Gawn has cracked the 20 disposal mark twice in his career.

And I have it on good authority that Dangerfield has never once cracked the five hit-out mark

 

[Snake_Baker]

And I have it on good authority that Dangerfield has never once cracked the five hit-out mark

If that's the case then Gawn is ranked 12th.

In fact, he's not even the best ruckman from his draft, as I would currently have Sam Jacobs ahead of him.

 

[Chaisa]

If that's the case then Gawn is ranked 12th.

In fact, he's not even the best ruckman from his draft, as I would currently have Sam Jacobs ahead of him.

Sam Jacobs was 2006. Rookie upgrades =! drafted in 2009.

 

[adammania9]

Cunnington very underrated; every club needs a mid like him.

 

[Wild Bill]

Lol. A bog average midfielder at best

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He is going toe to toe with Oliver - who is the 2nd coming. Will be a good duel.

 

[Donkey Chop]

He is going toe to toe with Oliver - who is the 2nd coming. Will be a good duel.

Cunnington would have been Melbournes best player today.

On one leg

 

[Wild Bill]

Cunnington would have been Melbournes best player today.

On one leg

Maybe by Bog average they mean "best on ground average". He did miss a quarter of the game but still had a massive impact on the game.

 

[Donkey Chop]

Maybe by Bog average they mean "best on ground average". He did miss a quarter of the game but still had a massive impact on the game.

I've always known bog to mean 'best on ground' so I find the phrase 'bog average' as a negative confusing

 

[Snake_Baker]

Lol. A bog average midfielder at best

Come again?

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

1. Martin
2. Fyfe
3. Talia
4. Gawn
5. Gunstan
6. Duncan
7. Carlisle
8. Cunnington
9. Scully
10. Astbury

 

[Ambrosia]

1. Martin
2. Fyfe
3. Talia
4. Gawn
5. Gunstan
6. Duncan
7. Carlisle
8. Cunnington
9. Scully
10. Astbury

Overrating the value of a shut down FB in Talia. I'd also have Robertson, Grimes and Stratton ahead of Astbury.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Overrating the value of a shut down FB in Talia. I'd also have Robertson, Grimes and Stratton ahead of Astbury.

Grimes was PSD, but otherwise I agree.

 

[Snake_Baker]

1 Dustin Martin/Nathan Fyfe (Can't seperate)
2 Tom Scully/Ben Cunnington (Can't seperate)
3 Max Gawn
4 Mitch Duncan
5 Liam Picken
6 Daniel Talia
7 Jack Gunston
8 Dylan Roberton
9 Sam Reid
10 Jake Melksham/Jamie MacMillan

 

[Trav 20]

1 Dustin Martin/Nathan Fyfe (Can't seperate)
2 Tom Scully/Ben Cunnington (Can't seperate)
3 Max Gawn
4 Mitch Duncan
5 Liam Picken
6 Daniel Talia
7 Jack Gunston
8 Dylan Roberton
9 Sam Reid
10 Jake Melksham/Jamie MacMillan

You have Scully too high, but I can separate Scully and Cunnington for you.

Cunnington won a B&F in a year they made prelims and Scully has never won a B&F. Even when they were pox.