Reece Conca

[Miguel Sanchez]

Ian Downsborough, David Hynes, Chad Morrison & various others who have asked for a trade after being told by the club that it may be best if they did so

Downsborough, Hynes and Morrison are no doubt elated that they're being talked about in comparison with Naitanui, Gretzky and Shaq!

I agree that free agency will lead to players being traded out before their contract expires. That's a fair few years away for Naitanui though. I think that the competition's still a fair way away from the prospect of a team trading a "franchise player" (to borrow a term from US sports) at the height of his career where that player's not particularly enamoured of a move, and the club is driving the move due to financial woes, salary cap pressure, a desire to rebuild, an offer too good to refuse or whatever else.

 

[Eagle87]

Downsborough, Hynes and Morrison are no doubt elated that they're being talked about in comparison with Naitanui, Gretzky and Shaq!

I agree that free agency will lead to players being traded out before their contract expires. That's a fair few years away for Naitanui though. I think that the competition's still a fair way away from the prospect of a team trading a "franchise player" (to borrow a term from US sports) at the height of his career where that player's not particularly enamoured of a move, and the club is driving the move due to financial woes, salary cap pressure, a desire to rebuild, an offer too good to refuse or whatever else.

Probably. Again though the focus is on the likelihood of a hypothetical.

As opposed to whether we'd be better off doing it.

NN is at present a hugely promising player whose impact is, at times immense. He has durability and endurance issues.

I love NN and believe he could be a transcendent player. That's why GWS might be prepared to pay an insane price. I'm not a quantity over quality trade guy. It doesn't work unless we get a couple of elite players back and a chance at even more than that...

 

[Happy Mastenator]

A. Bullshit re Garnett. He didnt want to go and had to be pushed to sign. I'm happy to debate NBA & the Celtics in particular with anyone. Your assertion that he pushed for a trade is bollocks, he wanted to be a one team player until the team made it clear they wanted to move him, then he had to agree on the destination and that required Boston to be a genuine contender which happened once they got Allen.

B. it was a trade based on the best option for the team going forward. They traded a superstar and he hasn't wanted to go. That was what the poster was asking for examples of.

C. Agreed, to an extent, threw them in late. Regardless they are stars who went because it was what the team wanted. They were traded.

D. NN is Brady? **** off. Brady is in the argument for best QB of all time. NN is a fair way off anything like that at this point. Also showing your complete ignorance of Richard Seymour.

Team Captain, 7 time pro-bowl including twice AFTER he was traded (I.e. traded in his prime), was named to the starting team for the NFL's all-decade team (alongside Warren Sapp as DT), 3 times SuperBowl champion, Patriots greatest team of the last 50 years etc etc ....

That shits all over NN and frankly makes him one of the all time best in his position and he was traded as a team captain and aged 28 or 29 in a hugely controversial trade.

But yes, he's shit.


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I'll give you KG to Boston then.

Seymour I can't agree, he was a DT, while a very good one, the fact is a DT doesn't have the same influence on team performance like a quarterback, like Nic Nat has on our team. That's the comparison I was making.

 

[Eagle87]

I'll give you KG to Boston then.

Seymour I can't agree, he was a DT, while a very good one, the fact is a DT doesn't have the same influence on team performance like a quarterback, like Nic Nat has on our team. That's the comparison I was making.

I know what you mean.

The question is, is a ruckman THAT important?

Plenty of contenders this year that have modest ruck capability...

NN fit all year helps us, in no small part because he's better than our offensive mids at their role. I'm not sure that's optimal.

 

[Eagle87]

Trade Naitanui ...

What? So he's untradeable?

He's a young ruckman with durability and endurance issues but with huge potential ....

I think we have to look at every possible alternative to try and make our list premiership ready - if you're happy with a couple of guns and years of not being good enough then fair enough


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[ThePuma #9]

What? So he's untradeable?

He's a young ruckman with durability and endurance issues but with huge potential ....

I think we have to look at every possible alternative to try and make our list premiership ready - if you're happy with a couple of guns and years of not being good enough then fair enough


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That's the kicker right there. Huge potential.

NN has endurance issues but that stems from him not being able to complete a full pre season to date. Which goes back to durability.

His issues are closely connected, get him healthy and through a pre season and watch him shine.

I haven't seen too many players that are completely unstoppable when on. Ablett Snr & Jnr, Plugga, Diesel, Matera....etc

It's laughable to compare NN to those players now, however is it possible if he gets his body right that we may be able to by the end of his career?

Considering that at only 23 he has shown that he is the most dominant ruck man in the game today without ever actually having a good pre season to build upon is enough for me to say no.

While i do agree that it is prudent to always look at every option available to you, even if your first inclination is to say no, i feel that if you are lucky enough to grab a player like NN that has the potential to change the game as we know it, you roll the dice and hold onto him.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Why are we talking about NN's potential?
I think he has demonstrably started to fulfill his potential.
The price would have to be ridiculous for a trade to happen and even then West Coast tend to keep their players.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

What? So he's untradeable?

He's a young ruckman with durability and endurance issues but with huge potential ....

I think we have to look at every possible alternative to try and make our list premiership ready - if you're happy with a couple of guns and years of not being good enough then fair enough


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No player is untradeable, has never been one in the history of the game

However the likelihood of ever getting fair value is slim and f all

And the moment you put him up for trade all you do is potentially sour a relationship which may end up with him walking

Risking that for an outcome that just won't happen doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Legendairy]

Ms Caroline Wilson is stating that Conca is considering returning home. fivestrings please dont delete this thread as i believe it deserves its own thread, just call it the Conca thread? agreed? okay agreed. Thoughts everyone?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-contract-fight-20130909-2tg3x.html

 

[dajesmac]

Off topic but I think it can't hurt to have this have it's own thread, the mega thread is crammed packed full of shit over the last 2 years.

Can't see us obtaining Conca without using pick 6. Which is interesting as it shows how the club views the stage our list is at.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

We'd be in auto-pilot mode without a coach. Nisbett has previously stated we'd target the draft and that will be consistent.

His injury is a hard one because he's only just done it.

 

[dajesmac]

We'd be in auto-pilot mode without a coach. Nisbett has previously stated we'd target the draft and that will be consistent.

His injury is a hard one because he's only just done it.

He said we 'may'.

For the record I think there's no doubt this is a non-issue, there has to be a miniscule chance Conca would accept an offer from us.

 

[Patron]

As long as it doesn't effect our first rounder i would be happy. I don't think we will target players too much this period tbh.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Off topic but I think it can't hurt to have this have it's own thread, the mega thread is crammed packed full of shit over the last 2 years.

Can't see us obtaining Conca without using pick 6. Which is interesting as it shows how the club views the stage our list is at.

he's out of contract though isn't he? they may not be able to ask too much for him (ie. not 6 at least)

 

[Tazmania]

he's out of contract though isn't he? they may not be able to ask too much for him (ie. not 6 at least)

Torn hammy too...may get a discount. Apparently wants west coast or freo but can't see freo needing him.

 

[pantskyle]

Using pick 6 would be disastrous.

Second pick plus a player might do it. Which player? No idea.

 

[TassieEagle]

Nothing more than a second round pick.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I'd rather use our 2nd round pick and see if we can target Shane Savage.
I believe he'd offer more of what we need at the moment.

 

[Galileo9]

As many other west Australians over east, I think he is using us to get a better contract. That's what we appear to be here for.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

I'd rather use our 2nd round pick and see if we can target Shane Savage.
I believe he'd offer more of what we need at the moment.

A flanker? Conca is a quick, inside, goal kicking mid. Exactly what we need IMO. Still pklenty of upside as well considering his age and the fact he's missed a couple of pre seasons. Wouldnt want to give up oue 1st rounder unless we secured Richmonds though.

 

[Spooky17]

As many other west Australians over east, I think he is using us to get a better contract. That's what we appear to be here for.

Worked last year in reverse for Mitch Brown in regards to getting a new 3 year deal, increased game time, and I assume more money

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

fivestrings please dont delete this thread as i believe it deserves its own thread,

OK but there already is one.

 

[kranky al]

He was chopping Carlton to bits before he got injured

 

[pantskyle]

I'd rather use our 2nd round pick and see if we can target Shane Savage.
I believe he'd offer more of what we need at the moment.

I would also chase Savage, is a pretty good player.

 

[pantskyle]

OK but there already is one.

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