Reece Conca

[Spartan]

Exposed for lack of pace? How does Yarran address this exposure? He doesn't chase and tackle much but does however have damaging offensive pace but doesn't seem to have the tank or work rate to play midfield.

Brennan, McGinnity and Ash Smith address our lack of pace defensively.

A super quick line breaking offensive midfielder such as a Bennell or O'Meara is what we lack.

100% agree, I'd take JOM and Bennell any day over Yarran. They are already more complete mids than Yarran.

However the afore mentioned two would take a shit ton more to get than Yarran. He looks out of favour at CFC and could want to come back home. He would still address the lack of pace in general our best 22 have.

Morton talked about how much more professional we were in our training (be it he was coming from the basket case that was/is MFC) maybe we can address his attitude and build up his tank (granted hes been in the system now for a few years).

I also don't think we need to play him as a pure mid, more a HFF that has rotations through the middle.

On a side note Brennan and McGinnity probably aren't/shouldn't be in our best 22 when we have a full list imo and Smith doesn't seem to be able to take the next step.

 

[tesseract]

Command & Conca: Red Pubes Alert.

 

[BOND 007]

Exposed for lack of pace? How does Yarran address this exposure? He doesn't chase and tackle much but does however have damaging offensive pace but doesn't seem to have the tank or work rate to play midfield.

Brennan, McGinnity and Ash Smith address our lack of pace defensively.

A super quick line breaking offensive midfielder such as a Bennell or O'Meara is what we lack.

The GC players you mentioned are unlikely to be attainable at present so WC must work with reality.

Yarran has never really had the opportunity to play midfield at Carlton and its my understanding that he has never trained with the midfield group pre-season to build up his fitness. Not saying he can make this transition, but others have with hard work and determination (i.e. nearly every draftee, Monfries, Mundy etc).

What Yarran does bring to the table is elite skills in being able to carry and deliver the ball, which is WC's biggest Achilles heel. Can you imagine him playing off the HB line, being freed up through a switch kick and being able to run and deliver the ball into the fwd line. Teams cant play 2 defensive taggers in the fwd line, so either he or Hurn would be freed up and would cut you to shreds given time and space.

 

[Chris_6678]

The GC players you mentioned are unlikely to be attainable at present so WC must work with reality.

Yarran has never really had the opportunity to play midfield at Carlton and its my understanding that he has never trained with the midfield group pre-season to build up his fitness. Not saying he can make this transition, but others have with hard work and determination (i.e. nearly every draftee, Monfries, Mundy etc).

What Yarran does bring to the table is elite skills in being able to carry and deliver the ball, which is WC's biggest Achilles heel. Can you imagine him playing off the HB line, being freed up through a switch kick and being able to run and deliver the ball into the fwd line. Teams cant play 2 defensive taggers in the fwd line, so either he or Hurn would be freed up and would cut you to shreds given time and space.

If we can turn Hill into a hard worker i am sure we could turn Yarran into a hard worker also.

 

[MaxHunt]

I don't really buy into this 'we can turn Yarran into a hard worker' line of thinking. Morton and Hill, yes. Yarran, No.

Malthouse is known for getting the best out of his players. He would not settle for less than 100% on the track and expects high team standards (we know Yarran was dropped for not putting the team first last month). Unless there has been a massive falling out, Yarran just is not professional enough at this stage of his career.

If the Blues are unable to get the best out of him, I cant see how we could.

 

[Chris_6678]

I don't really buy into this 'we can turn Yarran into a hard worker' line of thinking. Morton and Hill, yes. Yarran, No.

Malthouse is known for getting the best out of his players. He would not settle for less than 100% on the track and expects high team standards (we know Yarran was dropped for not putting the team first last month). Unless there has been a massive falling out, Yarran just is not professional enough at this stage of his career.

If the Blues are unable to get the best out of him, I cant see how we could.

Maybe it is living in Melbourne? You never know he might respond more living back at home among friends.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I don't really buy into this 'we can turn Yarran into a hard worker' line of thinking. Morton and Hill, yes. Yarran, No.

That is pure speculation. You've got no idea about his potential to turn it around, and neither do I. But saying categorically that he can't is pretty silly.

 

[MaxHunt]

That is pure speculation. You've got no idea about his potential to turn it around, and neither do I. But saying categorically that he can't is pretty silly.

Haha, this whole thread is pure speculation. And that is my opinion at present. What are you on about?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Haha, this whole thread is pure speculation. And that is my opinion at present. What are you on about?

It's fine to believe that Yarran can't turn it around, but categorically saying he can't is obviously incorrect haha. Even if there is a 0.01% chance, your opinion is wrong. Semantics haha.

Naitanui would be a great influence on him I reckon.

 

[MaxHunt]

It's fine to believe that Yarran can't turn it around, but categorically saying he can't is obviously incorrect haha. Even if there is a 0.01% chance, your opinion is wrong. Semantics haha.

Naitanui would be a great influence on him I reckon.

So Judd, Murphy and Malthouse are not?

What do you know about him or has he shown so far, that gives you hope that he would become a better player at the Eagles?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

So Judd, Murphy and Malthouse are not?

What do you know about him or has he shown so far, that gives you hope that he would become a better player at the Eagles?

Don't say the J word to me. Ever!

Being around people he grew up with and played sensational junior footy with would be a spark to fire him up I think. Hill's footy prowess grew as his happiness did being back home. Also, the shock of being traded can spark the realisation in a player that they need to pull their finger out to retain their large contracts and secure futures. I can see him improving a lot here.

 

[MaxHunt]

Don't say the J word to me. Ever!

Being around people he grew up with and played sensational junior footy with would be a spark to fire him up I think. Hill's footy prowess grew as his happiness did being back home. Also, the shock of being traded can spark the realisation in a player that they need to pull their finger out to retain their large contracts and secure futures. I can see him improving a lot here.

Pretty sure he has said he really happy at Carlton and in Melbourne. Hill is a very different case.

Would love to have Yarran at the Eagles but for the price he would command from Carlton at the moment I can't see it being worth it to the Eagles.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Would love to have Yarran at the Eagles but for the price he would command from Carlton at the moment I can't see it being worth it to the Eagles.

I agree with that, would only want him if we could get him crazy cheap somehow.

 

[dajesmac]

I agree with that, would only want him if we could get him crazy cheap somehow.

If it meant we could keep our first round selection, would you take Yarran?

He could be a huge weapon, and despite what a few people are saying, he definitely fills a need.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

If it meant we could keep our first round selection, would you take Yarran?

Yes. I really don't want to lose our first rounder.

 

[Spartan]

Yes. I really don't want to lose our first rounder.

Assuming CFC finish higher than us, what about swap of first rounders + player (Brown.. Smith.. Naitanui..) for Yarran?

 

[Spartan]

Actually Brown holds equal or greater value than Yarran... maybe a deal which involves St. Kilda and results in us losing Brown (if he is set on leaving) to get Yarran might work.

 

[Chris_6678]

Actually Brown holds equal or greater value than Yarran... maybe a deal which involves St. Kilda and results in us losing Brown (if he is set on leaving) to get Yarran might work.

What if we Trade Brown to Saints for a 2nd round then package that with our 2nd rounder for Yarran...i do not think they would see that as fair.

 

[BOND 007]

I don't really buy into this 'we can turn Yarran into a hard worker' line of thinking. Morton and Hill, yes. Yarran, No.

Malthouse is known for getting the best out of his players. He would not settle for less than 100% on the track and expects high team standards (we know Yarran was dropped for not putting the team first last month). Unless there has been a massive falling out, Yarran just is not professional enough at this stage of his career.

If the Blues are unable to get the best out of him, I cant see how we could.

Don't necessarily agree with the 1st line I bolded. Malthouse is a good strategic coach but like all coaches he has a vision which involves certain players playing a certain way or in certain positions. If a player doesn't "buy into" Malthouse's vision, or Malthouse sees them as not having the ability (physically or mentally) to play a certain role, then they quickly get moved from Malthouse's inner sanctum & its darn hard to get back in. Yarran may be finding this right now.

As to the 2nd part bolded - its very easy to say "you are professional footballers you play how the coach asks". However the reality is they are kids, and if there is a personality clash or a private issue, then its very hard to enjoy your football and if you're not enjoying it, you wont play well.

 

[Spartan]

What if we Trade Brown to Saints for a 2nd round then package that with our 2nd rounder for Yarran...i do not think they would see that as fair.

Our problem will be Brown is uncontracted and Yarran is contracted. Despite being out of favour unless its two very high second round picks I can't see CFC being interested.

 

[Chris_6678]

Our problem will be Brown is uncontracted and Yarran is contracted. Despite being out of favour unless its two very high second round picks I can't see CFC being interested.

Yeah your right unless they were offered something they could not refuse.

 

[dajesmac]

Our problem will be Brown is uncontracted and Yarran is contracted. Despite being out of favour unless its two very high second round picks I can't see CFC being interested.

Okay, Yarran being contracted shits all over my 'getting him cheap' theory.

 

[Spartan]

Yeah your right unless they were offered something they could not refuse.

Okay, Yarran being contracted shits all over my 'getting him cheap' theory.

I think it all comes down to Yarran's attitude/performance over the rest of the year and if he really wants to come home at the end of the year.

CFC will play hard ball (exactly like we did with Brown) but I guess the difference is we needed Brown as insurance whereas CFC don't REALLY need Yarran.

In a perfect world something like Smith + 2nd rounder or Smith plus exchange of 1st rounders would be great, but CFC wouldn't bite.

 

[dajesmac]

Especially if we finish above Carlton.

 

[BOND 007]

Okay, Yarran being contracted shits all over my 'getting him cheap' theory.

If its simply an offer to 'come home' then you are right - the cost will be high & I don't believe WC would pay the price.

However, if Carlton start offering contracted players as a means of securing a certain draft pick, and those players don't want to shift or feel snubbed that their name was offered, then the rules change considerably. When Ken Judge took over as WC coach, he sought draft picks at the end of the 2000 season. An under contract Mitchell White was offered as bait and despite WC trying to reverse the offer to trade him when he arced up, he took it badly & told Judge and WC that he wouldn't play under Judge under any circumstances. It left WC with no option but to trade him. they did well out of it, but I will never forget White's face & anger when I spoke with him about it.