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Apex36 said:
Where were you reading that? KM had him at 5, eDPS had him at 10. Can’t remember where Pie 4 Life had him. Twomey had him pretty high too from memory. I’d be interested to know which rankings you were reading?
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Twomey had him around 16 last year and now has him at 20.

I did like the sounds of who he had at pick 10 on his updated list now too.
 
loki04 said:
Yeah agreed seems to have some very nice athletic traits to him.

IMO who gives a sh*t about 2km results they can be worked on over preseasons typically within 3 or 4 preseasons it will be AFL ready.

It is something the club apparently learnt after letting Cripps fall through their fingers said they really liked him but Hine and Rendell thought he didnt have an AFL tank. They then picked Maynard the following draft despite the same concerns and before long he had an AFL tank.
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Cripps played three games in his debut season including one where he had 18% time on ground.

I don’t think they drafted Maynard because of Cripps suddenly turning into an endurance beast.
 
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Boris the Contradiction said:
I think we need more than that. Trading 3 first rounders for 1, considering what we have already given up, would be an absolute disaster.

I would prefer to trade with GWS than Essendon. Something like the following:

Give: Pick 14, Pick 16, next year's first.
Get: Pick 10, Pick 13, pick 29.

This gives us a reasonable opportunity to get two first rounders in before our NGA guy, but also gives us in pick 29 most of the points we'll need to get him without going into deficit.

If he gets bid on before 10 or 13, we make a call on whether he's worth matching. If he is, then great. If he's not, then we pass on him and still get 3 good kids workout jeopardizing our position re Nick Daicos next year.
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Gee, you have to feel for GWS. How can they be expected to build a decent list when they've only got picks 10, 13, 15, 20, and 29 to work with this year. I'm not even sure they'll get to use all of them, only 8 off the list (to date) and Pruess and Hogan filling 2 of those spots. Pick 52 must be really concerned it has a future.
 
Apex36 said:
Where were you reading that? KM had him at 5, eDPS had him at 10. Can’t remember where Pie 4 Life had him. Twomey had him pretty high too from memory. I’d be interested to know which rankings you were reading?
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Maybe I'm imagining it, but I was sure that was the talk last year.
 

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Timmy from Thomastown said:
Cripps played three games in his debut season including one where he had 18% time on ground.

I don’t think they drafted Maynard because of Cripps suddenly turning into an endurance beast.
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Pre draft they both had knocks over endurance. Rendell has stated publicly that they learnt from the Cripps draft and hence took maynard despite his pre draft concerns over tank.

So you don't need to think just do some research.

Here I'll help you:


Collingwood's just-departed veteran recruiter Matthew Rendell has explained the mistake that led the Magpies to err by overlooking Carlton superstar Patrick Cripps, and how the club's review of that decision led to a shift in their thinking.
Rendell, the former Fitzroy captain and senior St Kilda assistant coach, who became Adelaide recruiting manager and then a senior recruiter at Collingwood, said the Magpies' recruiting department had drafted Brayden Maynard 12 months later partly because of lessons learned from bypassing Cripps with two selections in the top 10 of the 2013 national draft.

Rendell, whose position at Collingwood was made redundant following round one, having previously been relegated to part-time this year, said the Magpies had misjudged Cripps by paying too much attention to his poor aerobic running. They drafted Matthew Scharenberg at pick six and then Nathan Freeman at No.10, who had significant injuries that hampered their careers, as Cripps was selected by the Blues at pick No.13.
"The lesson learned out of the whole thing was Cripps at 13," Rendell said. "Great kid, great interview, great clearance ... but basically didn't run outside the square.

"Then he goes for testing at the combine and runs an 11 beep. Jesus, I could run an 11 beep. So I've gone, 'This bloke is going to be a midfielder on an 11 beep?' Ain't going to happen."
Rendell said, under recruiting boss Derek Hine, Collingwood routinely reviews every player drafted in the AFL over five years. He said by Cripps' second year, they recognised "we've stuffed that up" by not picking the champion.

"I said, 'Righto, what have we learned out of it? Don't put everything into the running ability of an 18-year-old who's still growing.'
"The result of that, on the Cripps [decision] ... [was] Maynard, who also wasn't a great runner, [but] we've gone, 'Stuff it, we made the blue on Cripps because we didn't think he could run. We're not making the blue on Maynard.'"

Privately, Collingwood insiders say that the mistake was to misjudge Cripps' capacity to redress his running weakness through his strength of character.
www.theage.com.au

Collingwood's 'stuff up' overlooking Cripps led to change

Decorated recruiter Matthew Rendell says the Pies "stuffed up'' by missing Carlton gun Patrick Cripps and it led to change.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
 
loki04 said:
Pre draft they both had knocks over endurance. Rendell has stated publicly that they learnt from the Cripps draft and hence took maynard despite his pre draft concerns over tank.

So you don't need to think just do some research.

Here I'll help you:


Collingwood's just-departed veteran recruiter Matthew Rendell has explained the mistake that led the Magpies to err by overlooking Carlton superstar Patrick Cripps, and how the club's review of that decision led to a shift in their thinking.
Rendell, the former Fitzroy captain and senior St Kilda assistant coach, who became Adelaide recruiting manager and then a senior recruiter at Collingwood, said the Magpies' recruiting department had drafted Brayden Maynard 12 months later partly because of lessons learned from bypassing Cripps with two selections in the top 10 of the 2013 national draft.

Rendell, whose position at Collingwood was made redundant following round one, having previously been relegated to part-time this year, said the Magpies had misjudged Cripps by paying too much attention to his poor aerobic running. They drafted Matthew Scharenberg at pick six and then Nathan Freeman at No.10, who had significant injuries that hampered their careers, as Cripps was selected by the Blues at pick No.13.
"The lesson learned out of the whole thing was Cripps at 13," Rendell said. "Great kid, great interview, great clearance ... but basically didn't run outside the square.

"Then he goes for testing at the combine and runs an 11 beep. Jesus, I could run an 11 beep. So I've gone, 'This bloke is going to be a midfielder on an 11 beep?' Ain't going to happen."
Rendell said, under recruiting boss Derek Hine, Collingwood routinely reviews every player drafted in the AFL over five years. He said by Cripps' second year, they recognised "we've stuffed that up" by not picking the champion.

"I said, 'Righto, what have we learned out of it? Don't put everything into the running ability of an 18-year-old who's still growing.'
"The result of that, on the Cripps [decision] ... [was] Maynard, who also wasn't a great runner, [but] we've gone, 'Stuff it, we made the blue on Cripps because we didn't think he could run. We're not making the blue on Maynard.'"

Privately, Collingwood insiders say that the mistake was to misjudge Cripps' capacity to redress his running weakness through his strength of character.
www.theage.com.au

Collingwood's 'stuff up' overlooking Cripps led to change

Decorated recruiter Matthew Rendell says the Pies "stuffed up'' by missing Carlton gun Patrick Cripps and it led to change.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
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Maynard was already on our books in 2015 when Cripps was playing his second "breakout" season that made Collingwood realise what they missed out on.

Maybe I'm missing something but to me Rendells recollection isnt that great...maybe its why hes not employed by the club any more. He just makes shit up.
 
So what bid will be too high for us to match? At what stage do we just say "he's yours" and walk away?
 
magpies42 said:
He’s skipped out to 20 in the rankings, I can’t see how but happy for that to happen. Must be an Uber strong draft, will be hard to pick talent.
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The more he falls the better! For my mind he's easily a top 15 prospect, perhaps even top 10.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
Maynard was already on our books in 2015 when Cripps was playing his second "breakout" season that made Collingwood realise what they missed out on.

Maybe I'm missing something but to me Rendells recollection isnt that great...maybe its why hes not employed by the club any more. He just makes sh*t up.
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I think you are too caught up on what "draft" Maynard was taken rather then the point of they re assessed how much weighting to give a potential draftees "endurance" or lack there of.

Ill take his account over yours though what ever that is you are trying to make?
 

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Boris the Contradiction said:
I think we need more than that. Trading 3 first rounders for 1, considering what we have already given up, would be an absolute disaster.

I would prefer to trade with GWS than Essendon. Something like the following:

Give: Pick 14, Pick 16, next year's first.
Get: Pick 10, Pick 13, pick 29.

This gives us a reasonable opportunity to get two first rounders in before our NGA guy, but also gives us in pick 29 most of the points we'll need to get him without going into deficit.

If he gets bid on before 10 or 13, we make a call on whether he's worth matching. If he is, then great. If he's not, then we pass on him and still get 3 good kids workout jeopardizing our position re Nick Daicos next year.
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The dream would be to trade the future first in order to get 3 picks in before Reef.

If we went with your scenario then you’d hope that with the picks after 29 we might be able to snag Callow. In that case you’d hope for Cox, Perkins/Ford, Reef and Callow.


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Crazy Tails said:
I think top 10 would make us think twice.


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Agreed. If Essendon did bid at their picks I’d be disappointed but I’d not match the bid knowing that it maybe means a Perkins type slides to our pick.


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Masked Magician said:
Would love for him to slip through but there is no chance Essendon don't bid on him with either 6,7 or 8!
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Actually, there’s a fairly good chance they don’t. Stop being so paranoid.
 
Apex36 said:
Actually, there’s a fairly good chance they don’t. Stop being so paranoid.
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We are talking about Dordiro and has 3 Top 10 Picks
 

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TradeDraft said:
We are talking about Dordiro and has 3 Top 10 Picks
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And? Swings and roundabouts Dave. Essendon have some FS players coming up in the next year or two. They aren’t going to make stupid bids in the top 10 and risk the same screw tactics happening to them from other clubs.
 
Apex36 said:
Actually, there’s a fairly good chance they don’t. Stop being so paranoid.
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And your confidence in other clubs willingly allowing us to gain a further advantage is based on what?

Dodoro knows the dons aren't liked and doesn't pretend to want to hold hands and smile with every other club.
His task is to do what's best for their club and forcing us to make a hard decision that may reduce or draft hall when he has the safety net of 3 picks in a row is for me an obvious outcome.

Alas, lets revisit this after the first round of the draft if picks were to stay the same.
 
Masked Magician said:
And your confidence in other clubs willingly allowing us to gain a further advantage is based on what?

Dodoro knows the dons aren't liked and doesn't pretend to want to hold hands and smile with every other club.
His task is to do what's best for their club and forcing us to make a hard decision that may reduce or draft hall when he has the safety net of 3 picks in a row is for me an obvious outcome.

Alas, lets revisit this after the first round of the draft if picks were to stay the same.
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Based on the fact that most academy bids seem to go later than expected. Take Green last year for instance. Everyone had him as a top 5 talent. No bid until 10. There are several other similar examples. JUH is the clear number 1 this year. Guarantee no bid until 2 or 3. I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to understand that clubs don’t engage in childish bullshit when it comes to these bids. They’re no going to bid on a player that they rate below others to try and screw other teams. If the bid isn’t matched suddenly they don’t get the player they really wanted. It’s really not that hard to understand.
 
Apex36 said:
Based on the fact that most academy bids seem to go later than expected. Take Green last year for instance. Everyone had him as a top 5 talent. No bid until 10. There are several other similar examples. JUH is the clear number 1 this year. Guarantee no bid until 2 or 3. I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to understand that clubs don’t engage in childish bullshit when it comes to these bids. They’re no going to bid on a player that they rate below others to try and screw other teams. If the bid isn’t matched suddenly they don’t get the player they really wanted. It’s really not that hard to understand.
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As I said, lets revisit this after the first Round on Draft night and see what happens and who/where Reef is bid on!
 
This is weird.

We would know more about Reef (and his worth) than any other club. If he isn't worth pick 7 and is bid on at pick 7, we won't select him and Essendon will be left with a player who is inferior to who they could have picked. They know that, and therefore would be stupid to do it.

I don't see that we would have any dilemma at all in not selecting him. That's more a problem for some interstate clubs who would possibly be willing to overpay for academy talent due to the issues they can have with trying to keep players happy away from home. We don't have that problem.

We've just proven that sentiment doesn't matter one toss to our list guys, even for our own players. We don't owe this kid anything.
 
loki04 said:
I think you are too caught up on what "draft" Maynard was taken rather then the point of they re assessed how much weighting to give a potential draftees "endurance" or lack there of.

Ill take his account over yours though what ever that is you are trying to make?
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The point i am making is that when we drafted Maynard, Cripps had played three career games.

It’s not my account, it’s a chronological fact. So to say we drafted Maynard because of Cripps breakout second season couldn’t possibly have happened unless time travel was involved.
 

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