Player Watch Reef McInnes

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Or they kept tabs on his progress in the VFL across his first year and realised that he was going to become a very good player.

Either way it wasn’t his “ breakout second season” that made us recruit Maynard as was reported in that article

 

[loki04]

It's a nice pick up to have noticed Timmy. I do suspect Rendell is legit in terms of Cripps making them change the criteria, but it seems like he may have been stretching to find a supporting example of the impact of the changed criteria.

I'd say going from struggling to hit an 11 beep to being able to make the AFL team is a huge change in 2 seasons.

Timmy is too focused on Cripps only played X games but recruiters can see his results of work in VFL too. Playing AFL games isnt the only way for them to see improvement in players.

Why the f**k would Rendell lie about it, serves him no purpose.

 

[loki04]

Either way it wasn’t his “ breakout second season” that made us recruit Maynard as was reported in that article

Why because by your definition it wasn't "break out" enough?

If they had Cripps tick every box except for endurance/work rate (which was notably Hines number 1 asset he looked for) and a player then goes from 11 in a beep to being able to play in AFL games I'd say they would take notice plus his body of work at VFL is visible to the recruiting team who openly admit to following draftees for years after they go to other teams.

It very well could of made them take stock on how much importance they placed on that 1 attribute and given Rendell was on the team I'd say his version is much closer to the truth then yours.

 

[loki04]

He's really only a late draft prospect Dave. Like a late 40's / early 50's pick at the earliest. Need that word to get around to other clubs now more than ever.

Don't get angry over it mate, it just is what it is when you come in at the back of the pack in the 2km time trial. He was virtually hurled down the track by a mini tornado for the record, so that 20m sprint time doesn't count.

LMAO only him though none of the other draftee's were effected.

He blitzed his draft class in the SAME conditions.

Even given a strong tail wind the effect it has on a 20m time is marginal, hell even over 100m it is not that big talking 0.10 seconds over 100m for a 2+m tailwind.

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Effect of wind speed and altitude on sprint times

www.brianmac.co.uk

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I'd say going from struggling to hit an 11 beep to being able to make the AFL team is a huge change in 2 seasons.

Timmy is too focused on Cripps only played X games but recruiters can see his results of work in VFL too. Playing AFL games isnt the only way for them to see improvement in players.

Why the f**k would Rendell lie about it, serves him no purpose.

I am quoting what I read. Maybe it was misreported or maybe Rendells recollection is hazy and he had the timing mixed up.

Not sure why you are trying to argue against facts. Cripps breakout second season is not the reason we recruited Maynard, because it hadn’t happened yet.

I have no doubt we learned from the mistake of writing Cripps off for poor endurance but Maynard is not an example of that based off Cripps second year of football which was yet to happen.

 

[Apex36]

LMAO only him though none of the other draftee's were effected.

He blitzed his draft class in the SAME conditions.

Even given a strong tail wind the effect it has on a 20m time is marginal, hell even over 100m it is not that big talking 0.10 seconds over 100m for a 2+m tailwind.

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Effect of wind speed and altitude on sprint times

www.brianmac.co.uk

I think the joke went over your head on that one mate

 

[partypie]

LMAO only him though none of the other draftee's were effected.

He blitzed his draft class in the SAME conditions.

Even given a strong tail wind the effect it has on a 20m time is marginal, hell even over 100m it is not that big talking 0.10 seconds over 100m for a 2+m tailwind.

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Effect of wind speed and altitude on sprint times

www.brianmac.co.uk

Fake news. Get with the program, or move along.

 

[loki04]

I think the joke went over your head on that one mate

I just want to put it out there as there has been a lot of people writing that time off due to the wind and that it wasn't recorded official time due to the conditions.


I get he's playing him down but there are posters out there who genuinely believe that ^^ as well.

 

[Pistol Night]

Wait - 193 CM 2.78 Seconds 20m sprint?

wtf isn't that exceptional? Don't think too many actual AFL players can reach that level of speed, let alone a 193 cm player, let alone a DRAFTEE?

Looks to have tremendous potential, a guaranteed draft bolter, would be a miracle if bids came after our firsts

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[loki04]

I am quoting what I read. Maybe it was misreported or maybe Rendells recollection is hazy and he had the timing mixed up.

Not sure why you are trying to argue against facts. Cripps breakout second season is not the reason we recruited Maynard, because it hadn’t happened yet.

I have no doubt we learned from the mistake of writing Cripps off for poor endurance but Maynard is not an example of that based off Cripps second year of football which was yet to happen.

So you can't concede that they by following Cripps progress could see him becoming a quality AFL player and how that could effect how they viewed a similarly poor endurance player (pre draft) but a lot of other boxes ticked player in Maynard?

You need to focus less on the specifics of how it come about and be thankful that they had reason to take stock on the criteria to write off players.

 

[sr36]

I'd say going from struggling to hit an 11 beep to being able to make the AFL team is a huge change in 2 seasons.

Timmy is too focused on Cripps only played X games but recruiters can see his results of work in VFL too. Playing AFL games isnt the only way for them to see improvement in players.

Why the f**k would Rendell lie about it, serves him no purpose.

Definitely possible that it played out that way, but it seems more likely that Rendell got his example wrong.

 

[loki04]

Definitely possible that it played out that way, but it seems more likely that Rendell got his example wrong.

He said they talked about Maynard and used Cripps in that discussion in another interview on radio a while back whilst still at the club.

I think him being 2IC to Hine at that time qualifies him to know more then you me and Timmy on this issue.

He (Timmy) has always been a very strong and pro club person many thought a plant even to start. Not remotely even handed when discussing the pies. In fact I originally suspected he was Josh Fraser

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Spinny cops the flak but Timmy is much worse when it comes to matters discussing the pies the club and its decisions can not be questioned or viewed in a negative way.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He said they talked about Maynard and used Cripps in that discussion in another interview on radio a while back whilst still at the club.

I think him being 2IC to Hine at that time qualifies him to know more then you me and Timmy on this issue.

He (Timmy) has always been a very strong and pro club person many thought a plant even to start. Not remotely even handed when discussing the pies. In fact I originally suspected he was Josh Fraser

Josh Fraser

Age

44

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.4

4star

CL

2.5

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HO

11.8

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No current season stats available

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9.4

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Spinny cops the flak but Timmy is much worse when it comes to matters discussing the pies the club and its decisions can not be questioned or viewed in a negative way.

I am truly honoured.

However I am merely asking whether time travel has been utilised for the club to look at Cripps form in the future to help them draft Maynard in the present.

Can’t see why you would be up in arms about a simple question

 

[sr36]

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I'm a Rendell fan, but

He said they talked about Maynard and used Cripps in that discussion in another interview on radio a while back whilst still at the club.

I think him being 2IC to Hine at that time qualifies him to know more then you me and Timmy on this issue.

He (Timmy) has always been a very strong and pro club person many thought a plant even to start. Not remotely even handed when discussing the pies. In fact I originally suspected he was Josh Fraser

Josh Fraser

Age

44

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

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Last 5

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14.1

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.4

4star

CL

2.5

4star

HO

11.8

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

2.8

3star

HO

8.6

5star

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Spinny cops the flak but Timmy is much worse when it comes to matters discussing the pies the club and its decisions can not be questioned or viewed in a negative way.

Can't say I've noticed that and this one isn't a great example as he's questioning a statement that came out of the club (at least I think it was a statement made by Rendell when he was sorking for us and not after.)

 

[loki04]

I am truly honoured.

However I am merely asking whether time travel has been utilised for the club to look at Cripps form in the future to help them draft Maynard in the present.

Can’t see why you would be up in arms about a simple question

Because why would they have to travel into the future when they had 2 years of exposed form to see him trending up. In those few games he played he showed elite traits and was also smashing it in VFL.

It's like saying how can they rate Stephenson at 6 unless they had a time machine to go into the future and see him win a rising star. They make projections off the evidence shown and 2 years into the system is a hell of a lot better then what they work off pre drafting.

 

[loki04]

I'm a Rendell fan, but


Can't say I've noticed that and this one isn't a great example as he's questioning a statement that came out of the club (at least I think it was a statement made by Rendell when he was sorking for us and not after.)
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Then your blind as a bat and must skip his posts. Every post is usually in defense of the club.

He is questioning the veracity of Rendell's statement not the clubs.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I'm a Rendell fan, but


Can't say I've noticed that and this one isn't a great example as he's questioning a statement that came out of the club (at least I think it was a statement made by Rendell when he was sorking for us and not after.)

Then your blind as a bat and must skip his posts.

He is questioning the veracity of Rendell's statement not the clubs.
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Yes I am. He was either misreported or mistaken in his recollection (for whatever reason ).

Read your quoted text it again, it quite clearly says they drafted Maynard after seeing Cripps output in his second season. Which is impossible.

Seriously it’s like arguing with a Trump supporter.

The lesson learned out of the whole thing was Cripps at 13," Rendell said. "Great kid, great interview, great clearance ... but basically didn't run outside the square.

"Then he goes for testing at the combine and runs an 11 beep. Jesus, I could run an 11 beep. So I've gone, 'This bloke is going to be a midfielder on an 11 beep?' Ain't going to happen."
Rendell said, under recruiting boss Derek Hine, Collingwood routinely reviews every player drafted in the AFL over five years. He said by Cripps' second year, they recognised "we've stuffed that up" by not picking the champion.

"I said, 'Righto, what have we learned out of it? Don't put everything into the running ability of an 18-year-old who's still growing.'
"The result of that, on the Cripps [decision] ... [was] Maynard, who also wasn't a great runner, [but] we've gone, 'Stuff it, we made the blue on Cripps because we didn't think he could run. We're not making the blue on Maynard.'"

 

[Apex36]

Can't say I've noticed that and this one isn't a great example as he's questioning a statement that came out of the club (at least I think it was a statement made by Rendell when he was sorking for us and not after.)

Pretty sure I heard Rendell tell that story on trade radio a couple of weeks ago.

 

[loki04]

Then your blind as a bat and must skip his posts.

He is questioning the veracity of Rendell's statement not the clubs.

Yes I am. He was either misreported or mistaken in his recollection (for whatever reason ).

Read your quoted text it again, it quite clearly says they drafted Maynard after seeing Cripps output in his second season. Which is impossible.

Seriously it’s like arguing with a Trump supporter.

The lesson learned out of the whole thing was Cripps at 13," Rendell said. "Great kid, great interview, great clearance ... but basically didn't run outside the square.

"Then he goes for testing at the combine and runs an 11 beep. Jesus, I could run an 11 beep. So I've gone, 'This bloke is going to be a midfielder on an 11 beep?' Ain't going to happen."
Rendell said, under recruiting boss Derek Hine, Collingwood routinely reviews every player drafted in the AFL over five years. He said by Cripps' second year, they recognised "we've stuffed that up" by not picking the champion.

"I said, 'Righto, what have we learned out of it? Don't put everything into the running ability of an 18-year-old who's still growing.'
"The result of that, on the Cripps [decision] ... [was] Maynard, who also wasn't a great runner, [but] we've gone, 'Stuff it, we made the blue on Cripps because we didn't think he could run. We're not making the blue on Maynard.'"
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Yes he is saying by Cripps second year after following his progress post drafting (nothing to do with AFL games) they had realised they had stuffed it up.

Im not sure why you think they couldn't see where he was trending or his improving tank in the VFL?

You are saying that they couldn't re assess so early in his career to effect the choices they made on Maynard in a similar boat, this simply isn't true.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I don't think he goes in the top 20 from what I have researched regarding the top 20 the past month

Think he goes around 24-30

In that case, why all the fuss over him? If not ranked at least top 20, he is just another player. The way some posters fawn over him, you'd think we were drafting the messiah.

 

[loki04]

In that case, why all the fuss over him? If not ranked at least top 20, he is just another player. The way some posters fawn over him, you'd think we were drafting the messiah.

He comes next year.

In all honesty Reef will be a good player is a versatile Athlete and good head on his shoulders from all reports.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Just thinking if we don't get Reef we get aggressive and go picks 14 & 16 plus our first round next year, jag pick 6 from the Bombers and try and get Riley Tilthorpe hoping that Crows, Kangas, Hawks go for mids. Geez his highlights are impressive

No thanks. Not 3 first rounds on one player.

 

[Apex36]

In that case, why all the fuss over him? If not ranked at least top 20, he is just another player. The way some posters fawn over him, you'd think we were drafting the messiah.

Probably because of all the players outside the top 20 (and some inside) he has the most upside and scope for development. The only reason he’s not higher is because of his lack of exposure in the midfield imo. His versatility in being able to play around the ground has worked in our favour imo, because it meant that Oakleigh played Rowell, Anderson, Phillips and Macrae ahead of him in those pure midfield roles whenever they were available.

 

[Apex36]

Just thinking if we don't get Reef we get aggressive and go picks 14 & 16 plus our first round next year, jag pick 6 from the Bombers and try and get Riley Tilthorpe hoping that Crows, Kangas, Hawks go for mids. Geez his highlights are impressive

If you’re giving up 3 firsts, you want pick 1 or 2, and something else back. 3 firsts for pick 6 is a terrible outcome.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

He comes next year.

And sweeps aside the dead cap before him! By then Beams’ payout ought to be off the books as well as Treloar’s most expensive year, so it might just be down to what Langdon’s doing to determine whether we’ll be back on a near-level playing field in 2022.