Regardless - it has been a good year

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I read in this morning's Worst Australian that Rick Hart reckons it's been a pretty successful year. The last eight games were great, and that everyone should be looking forward to seeing us continue our improvement next year.

What total rubbish!!! We beat some average teams (St Kilda excepted), and that makes up for the hole that CC put us in. One can only assume further improvement would see us move to 11th on the ladder next year.
AGREE TOTALLY purpling...
 

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AGREE TOTALLY purpling...
being an outsider (ok the only real reason I am on the board is I just saw the history of Fremantle video butt..) always had a sof spot for Freo (except farmer he is a dirty bastard :mad: )

After trading extremely well for the first year in your history - the likes of Black and Carr who are guns no doubt about is, Des Headland will only play well when these two are doing the hard stuff for them but still he is a good receiver.
I actually put a $10 on you guys making the top (also $5 on the GF as an outsider) – call me stupid but with the midfield you guys have along with the Forward line I though that it was a legitimate bet.

I am with anyone who says that CC should go, he is Fremantle’s version of Gary Ayres, it is totally unbelievable that you guys didn’t make the 8, I had this problem with Gary and Triggys attitude last year, Crows fans knew our side wasn’t that bad it certainly was not a 8 game winning team, yet we were constantly being told bull******** theories but Coaches and assistant coaches. Once NC came in not only did he put the supporters back in their place he removed 4 yrs of dead wood – 3 or so assistant coaches who were part of the “old boys club” and there was movement in the football department certain people “moving positions” it completely revitalised the club and had them going in some Direction not just “meeting KPI’s”

I realise this probably looks like a troll because Adelaide is going well but FFS you guys shouldn’t be happy and should expect answers its not bloody enough that CC and Schwab are happy what about the 33k supporters :confused: , It gives me the ********s when football administrators think that if they are happy the supporters are happy

Anyways that’s just my thoughts I might just go and twiddle my thumbs now

Good luck next year (except when you play us of course :D )
 

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In a way though it has been a good year in that, missing finals aside, we have finally cast aside some players who would probably still be in the side if we were in the finals, and are playing some promising youngsters.

From the point of view of where we were, to how we finished the season's last 8 or so weeks, there are also some promising signs.

But on the whole, certainly a dissapointing season, but not dissimilar to WCE 2004, and look where they are now?
 

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does anyone know how to set up a poll , maybe we can do one and see who thinks that CC has done a good job and he should keep his job and an option for the opposite and see what everyone thinks . i think everyones opinions are pretty divided. anyone know how to set it up do so please.
That's a good idea but the results would be inaccurate because instead of only Freo supporters voting you would have every Tom, ******** and Harry casting a vote.
 

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What does everyone think would have been a reasonable year?.

1. Get in the finals (eg. beat Port last Saturday) and go out in the first final. Equals 12 wins.

2. Get in the finals and win a match. Equals 13 wins.


I am not overly happy with the past season, but I reckon we did most of our "blood letting" in the middle of the season where our failures (lost home games) came back to haunt us at the end of the season.

I just get the idea that there is a very fine line between a successful season and a dud season. I get the vibe that if we had "fallen" into the finals, alot of people would have been happy. Is the difference between 11 and 12 wins really that divisive?.

As I have said before, yes aim your darts at CC and his assistants, but don't forget to aim some at the players who should be pulling their own pants up and playing with pride.

Question without notice :- what do the assistant coaches really do?, pick up the plastic cones?. For $100 000 + a year, I reckon I might be able to sort out our midfield problems.
 

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Anything short of winning a final would have been disappointing and seen by many as a poor season.
 

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My position was that a reasonable year would have been a competitive finals appearance (win, or losing by less than 20 pts).

Season 2005, IMO, was a disappointing year where we had a good squad that underperformed. The derby losses were a further kick in the nads that I didn’t need.
 

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Although we missed the finals, we still had a great year. We were in there until the final whistle and with a bit of luck, we would have been playing finals footy.

Lets look as the posatives:

- The players are finally playing footy the "CC way" and all his key performance indicators are where they should be and where he wants them to be.
Hey Dwayo , foxfooty are running a poll ...

results are below , foxfooty polls are used by all football fans and most fans rate our season as ;

Of the bottom eight teams which was the biggest underachiever this season?

Fremantle
41.2%

Brisbane Lions
19.1%

Essendon
8.4%

Collingwood
14.9%

Carlton
16.4%
 

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Thread starter #35
Topdock65 said:
Hey Dwayo , foxfooty are running a poll ...

results are below , foxfooty polls are used by all football fans and most fans rate our season as ;

Of the bottom eight teams which was the biggest underachiever this season?

Fremantle
41.2%

Brisbane Lions
19.1%

Essendon
8.4%

Collingwood
14.9%

Carlton
16.4%
Majority of votes are from non Freo supporters and they do not really know any better. The board and members are happy and that is why CC is there to stay.
 

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hey dwayo look here mate, dont you dare speak on the behalf of the members, or the board for that matter.
i am a paid up member and i was not happy with our year, and do not appriciate you crapping on speaking on behalf of the members lets wait to the AGM until, you dare get a clue on what the members are thinking.

you were the one saying we were going to make the 8 so tell me why this year hasnt been a disapointment.

you want injuries have a look at geelong, melbourne, and stkilda
and they still made it.
the club said anything short of a finals appearnce would be a crap season.

and to finish you my sir and just starting to ******** us all off
 

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Any member happy to finish 10th is either an idiot or not a fremantle supporter. The board are saying they are happy but deep down they won't be, a very respected business man like rick hart is not an idiot. I am sure he doesn't run his business and his happy to lose 5 million dollars a year. Finishing 10th is dissapointing, frustrating and annoying.

But we have to realise that after all these comments there is no way in hell your a fremantle supporter. Can'y you just tell us who you really are Dwayo? and do you barrack for the eagles? Our season is over anyway, just let us know for god sake, youv'e been found out so there is no more point in hiding the fact
 

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#39
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But on the whole, certainly a dissapointing season, but not dissimilar to WCE 2004, and look where they are now?
There's at least one quite dissimilar point (although you could easily make an argument that we didn't actually *play* in last year's finals series)

You're all probably right about Dwayo though, there's no way he could be happy with Freo's season if he's actually a Freo supporter.
 

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Any member happy to finish 10th is either an idiot or not a fremantle supporter. The board are saying they are happy but deep down they won't be, a very respected business man like rick hart is not an idiot. I am sure he doesn't run his business and his happy to lose 5 million dollars a year. Finishing 10th is dissapointing, frustrating and annoying.

But we have to realise that after all these comments there is no way in hell your a fremantle supporter. Can'y you just tell us who you really are Dwayo? and do you barrack for the eagles? Our season is over anyway, just let us know for god sake, youv'e been found out so there is no more point in hiding the fact
I am not happy either but we cannot change what happened. I look at the positives where CC and the boys had a great crack at the 8 and only failed at the last hurdle. The team has stood up well with all the injuries and all is well for 2006.

Why do you not look at the Fremantle website and see the comments from the real suporters, now and when things were not going that well eight weeks ago. There are a lot of members/supporters that are happy with the way the club is being run.

Regardless what you or I think, CC is there for 2006/2007 and I am going to accept that decision and follow the club in a positive way and not knock it like many do.
 

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I am not happy either but we cannot change what happened. I look at the positives where CC and the boys had a great crack at the 8 and only failed at the last hurdle. The team has stood up well with all the injuries and all is well for 2006.
What do you call the attempts at getting over the St Kilda, Hawthorn, Brisbane and Wet toast hurdles? Especially the Hawthorn one which was only about 2 inches off the ground yet we inexplicably tripped and crashed to earth.

Why do you not look at the Fremantle website and see the comments from the real suporters, now and when things were not going that well eight weeks ago. There are a lot of members/supporters that are happy with the way the club is being run.

Regardless what you or I think, CC is there for 2006/2007 and I am going to accept that decision and follow the club in a positive way and not knock it like many do.
Doesn't mean you should talk crap by saying all is well when it's clearly not. You can look at it positively by still being honest.
 

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What do you call the attempts at getting over the St Kilda, Hawthorn, Brisbane and Wet toast hurdles? Especially the Hawthorn one which was only about 2 inches off the ground yet we inexplicably tripped and crashed to earth.



Doesn't mean you should talk crap by saying all is well when it's clearly not. You can look at it positively by still being honest.
We had some losses but so did every other club in the comp. We are not in mess like Carlton, Collingwood, Hawthorn.

All clubs have thier problems but what is the point of thrashing the club like so many others do. CC is a great coach and IMO CC has done a great job building this club. We have a good squad, the club is financial with great membership. I remember the Drum days - do you.

So instead of just posting that I talk crap, why don't you offer something constructive and useful.
 

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We had some losses but so did every other club in the comp. We are not in mess like Carlton, Collingwood, Hawthorn.
So we should accept and embrace 10th because there are clubs that are worse at the moment?

And given those 3 clubs you mentioned have been represented in about half the grand finals since the AFL started in 1990, i'd hardly hate to be in their mess.

All clubs have thier problems but what is the point of thrashing the club like so many others do. CC is a great coach and IMO CC has done a great job building this club. We have a good squad, the club is financial with great membership. I remember the Drum days - do you.
So good coach, good squad, good off field......leads to 10th?

With all the ingredients supposedly there, how did we finish 10th? Bad luck?

So instead of just posting that I talk crap, why don't you offer something constructive and useful.
Like what? Fantasy stories about how the club is doing fine?
 

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So instead of just posting that I talk crap, why don't you offer something constructive and useful.
Dwayo , As a fondation member (Quay Club) and also a 10 year member (have the paperwork to prove it) Twice been a sponsor of Guernsey presentations , came up with the Purple Haze idea (ask CS) , I am as loyal and passionate as anyone about the Dockers ... As a member I am not happy with our season ...And not a CC fan , He lost me last year (losing the last 4 games).

We all want you to offer constructive and useful comments , Please dont talk on behalf members , as more members are unhappy with our season than are happy . If you dont agree contact the club and ask them to send out a member survey form with the membership renewal forms . and see what the results are (They wont do it).

I say one thing further , The dockers will never go any further under CC leadership . He will scrap in with 8-11 wins a year . He is not capable of taking us to the next level .

The average football supporter , some football polls on media and internet sites , asking the question who has been the best and worst coach of the 2005 season , the common theme is Neil Craig - has been the coach of the year and guess who has been the worst ??? Your idol CC ...


11 wins from our last 26 games (42%) ... :thumbsdown:
CC is the man ...
 

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Dwayo , As a fondation member (Quay Club) and also a 10 year member (have the paperwork to prove it) Twice been a sponsor of Guernsey presentations , came up with the Purple Haze idea (ask CS) , I am as loyal and passionate as anyone about the Dockers ... As a member I am not happy with our season ...And not a CC fan , He lost me last year (losing the last 4 games).

We all want you to offer constructive and useful comments , Please dont talk on behalf members , as more members are unhappy with our season than are happy . If you dont agree contact the club and ask them to send out a member survey form with the membership renewal forms . and see what the results are (They wont do it).

I say one thing further , The dockers will never go any further under CC leadership . He will scrap in with 8-11 wins a year . He is not capable of taking us to the next level .

The average football supporter , some football polls on media and internet sites , asking the question who has been the best and worst coach of the 2005 season , the common theme is Neil Craig - has been the coach of the year and guess who has been the worst ??? Your idol CC ...


11 wins from our last 26 games (42%) ... :thumbsdown:
CC is the man ...
Well done mate, best post i have read in ages.
You could feature in that bang bang song that is popular at the moment.

"Topdock65 shot you down Dwayo, bang bang, he shot you down bang bang"

:thumbsu: :thumbsu:
 

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Topdock65 - fully agree with you and I think ypurs is one of the better responses to the deluded people who are so ready to accept "failure". Dwayo is one of many deluded mob who think CC has done a great job.

CC lost me in the first year after the semi thrashing.

The sad part is that we we are still stuck with CC and 2006/2007 will be much the same.
 

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Topdock65 - fully agree with you and I think ypurs is one of the better responses to the deluded people who are so ready to accept "failure". Dwayo is one of many deluded mob who think CC has done a great job.

CC lost me in the first year after the semi thrashing.

The sad part is that we we are still stuck with CC and 2006/2007 will be much the same.
So Jarman you are seriously telling me you wrote off CC at season end of 2003 ? After being in the job for 2 years, taking over a side that had won less than a handful of games the previous year and taken us to a final in 2003

You are the other extreme of Dwayo ! You had CC in the crosshairs after a very dodgy loss to the Saints and a narrow loss to the Eagles.

For the record, CC has probably lost me this year. The injuries are probably his saving grace. Also the fact that he'd cost us a fortune to payoff and his assistants. No current acceptable coach is available an assistant is pure pot luck if hes any better. Malthouse questionable, Pagan, Sheedy or Matthews arent interested (all been offered $$$ previously). No, I'm not happy with them extending his contract, the media will tear us down no matter what we do. Abit of pressure helped at times this year, maybe no extension might have been the trick this year.

But nevertheless Freo has been too inconsistent; rolled over too often and been too soft. The Port and last Derby game were probably the killers for me. The first Richmond game, the Hawks and Bombers and the Roos losses were almost as bad. If he doesnt improve in 2006 hes got to go.

Yes players do need to take responsibility and they are directly responsible for their up and down games and quarters but the coach is the one that motivates them (by the carrot etc or the axe) positively or negatively. He is the one who sets the tone and the strategy.
 
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