Hints for us simple folkThanks, mate. It's good to know my comment didn't fly too high. Hehe.
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No, to be honest, there is strong mail that Malthouse and Cloke will be at Carlton. It is being said publicly and privately. But yes, that is what mail is....just mail...until it becomes fact or bullshit.
Whether it turns out to be accurate mail remains to be seen but personally i think the mail makes sense in regards to Carlton's, Cloke's, Malthouse's and Greg Swann's needs, wants and style.
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The comp for losing a player to free agency won't be the same as the comp for losing players to GC and GWS.
When the new teams took players there was nothing teams could do to replace them, with FA, teams can use the cap space to chase other FA players.
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Is it really any different??
When out of contract players were take by gc/gws couldn't they use the cap space to chase other out of contract players?
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The compensation thing is bullshit. As someone said earlier, some chump in AFL castle decides subjectively what clubs receive. As the expansion side compensation has shown, their formulas suck. You can't rank players in an orderly fashion, we know, we have tried hundreds of times!
I wonder if everyone who went nuclear on Bomber Thompson vis a vis Ablett will display the same level of moral righteousness about this??
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I think it maybe be flipped where Trav is the one hung out to dry - his performance in 2012, his dad and his greed would not be endearing himself to the Australian public. At least Ablett continued to play at a high standard. Trav is holding the club to ransom and holding up deals for other key Pies while having little impact for a player that is demanding such a high salary.
Just announced what exactly? (didn't hear it myself)
Did some observer of training say they noticed some terse body language? Was it a listener that called in to spread a bit of goss?
Even so- as a coach that demands everyone to be focused and team-oriented, Bucks is well within his rights to give Trav the cold shoulder. This whole thing is a circus. What's worse, it's an avoidable one.
The AFL set compensation high for the new clubs to encourage teams to let good players move there.
By and large, it didnt work - good players with options largely re-signed at their existing clubs.
Neil Mitchell just over an hour ago made the statement that the two are no longer talking.
..... LOL -it must be true then. He he such a Collingwood lover!
Would it surprise you it communication between the 2 has broken down? Buckley must be extremely unhappy with A) his poor form and B) this on going distraction - which now will be with the Pies until the end of the year.
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I doubt that. It would surprise me if talks broke down.
The Cloke camp have history of dragging it out until the last minute. See his last contract negotiation going deep into trade week and beyond.
It has been postponed, not broken down.
Pies want to keep him, he wants to stay. It's just the tactics of negotiating.
It's been reported that Pies offer still remains on the table, it hasn't been withdrawn, despite talks being put off until season's end.
Cloke may very well decide enough is enough and take matters into his own hands and sign before then.
A) obviously unhappy
B) again obviously unhappy
but since when does A) + B) = not speaking anymore? Coaches are always unhappy when players are out of form -doesn't mean they stop talking to them. Buckley's not negotiating the contract. Mitchell is having a guess like everyone else.
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I just hope Buckley does not join the protest rally that are planning to direct their anger at Cloke. Maybe send the Mrs and kids but Bucks should stay at home.
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I've a tendency to demonise Cloke here, but I'm going to try and play devil's advocate:
1) He may of had a strong relationship with Malthouse and was unhappy in how he left
2) He does deserve a pay rise. Since his last contract his form has been exceptional.
3) The current funk may be a direct result of the pay dispute.
4) Buckley strikes me as a my way or the highway type coach. It is possible that he introduced on field pressure to resolve the off-field problem.
5) David Cloke is not Travis Cloke, having watched "The Fighter" recently, it strikes me how an overbearing family can adversely affect a sporting career.
Still think Travis may of been the one to crack the sads though
1) He may of had a strong relationship with Malthouse and was unhappy in how he left
2) He does deserve a pay rise. Since his last contract his form has been exceptional.
3) The current funk may be a direct result of the pay dispute.
4) Buckley strikes me as a my way or the highway type coach. It is possible that he introduced on field pressure to resolve the off-field problem.
5) David Cloke is not Travis Cloke, having watched "The Fighter" recently, it strikes me how an overbearing family can adversely affect a sporting career.
Still think Travis may of been the one to crack the sads though
I like point 5.
You mean a premiership?
Anyone feel a massive deal down at Carlton..
Malthouse agrees to coach if they can land travis..
He probably knows they cant win a premiership without a KPF...
Wouldnt suprise me just a theory
Malthouse agrees to coach if they can land travis..
He probably knows they cant win a premiership without a KPF...
Wouldnt suprise me just a theory
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