TAS relocation rumours?

[flight23]

caro also said something about her and the club in question being alright lately

as in her relationship with the club

which led me to think she was talking about north

got no idea how true the actual rumor is, but thats what i thought SHE was talking about

 

[giantroo]

Doubt it. With Ballarat getting a bit of funding to get Eureka Stadium into shape(for a start), we'll be making our profits there. Hopefully we will start playing games there very soon.

 

[Pessimistic]

Ironically North is probably the last team the taswegians would like to adopt.

Hawthorn Richmond Carlton have the strongest support. Half the Tassi Auskick kids now support Hawthorn.

Tassie would not even work for a club if it was remote - its only the proximity to melbourne which works now.


Put it this way, If Hawks and Richmond play 3-4 games each there (and I believe Richmond will dip their toe first with just one or two games) would one of them relocating 11 games there reallly be much different ? The club would need to retain a melbourne presence so it just doesnt work.

And Richmond fans - if you dont like it - just dont attend. the deal doesnt work if only tasmanians turn up

 

[Redb#]

not too far fetched actually

yeah it is.

 

[RoyalBlue]

Yawn.

 

[Zeke]

I can't see any Tasmanians jumping on board a relocation club for at least a generation.

Introducing a relocated club to an existing market is a difficult proposition. All Tasmania football fans already have strong ties to existing clubs.

 

[theyellowsash]

I can't see any Tasmanians jumping on board a relocation club for at least a generation.

Introducing a relocated club to an existing market is a difficult proposition. All Tasmania football fans already have strong ties to existing clubs.

actually i think the hawks experiment has shown just how much they will adopt a club which moves there. theres no doubt that the hawks support there has exploded since they have been there.

 

[incubi]

Like it or not the afl will push for north Melbourne to tassie.

Western bulldogs will be pushed to NT.

3rd Perth team I hope doesn't happen it will be the nail in the coffin for the wafl. What I'd prefer to see instead is a second tier comp 2 best sides from each comp is a reserves style comp. Worst two teams are relegated for the best in their state.

Or a conference system where the best two from each comp play against each other for the cup.

I assure you that will not happen.
We are the only club representing one of the largest growth areas in the country, an area with very high immigration numbers and the main area of melbourne where soccer is an actual threat, due to large african migration.

Why would you move a club which already is the lone representative of a major growth area, in melbournes heartland which is the most susceptible to soccer?

Viable Dogs crucial to AFL: report
Caroline Wilson - The Age - 27 May

A GROUND-breaking report into the long-term future of the Western Bulldogs has revealed that the club which faced extinction two decades ago is as crucial to the AFL as Greater Western Sydney. The report, written by former Essendon chief executive Peter Jackson, has urged the AFL to work as closely with the Bulldogs as it does the league's 18th team, GWS.

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[Mitchell Madness]

Essendon will relocate.

They have very few members for a "big 4" club, and are being forced out of their training base, leaving them homeless!

AFL will entice them to head south

 

[Dr Dolphin]

Doubt it. With Ballarat getting a bit of funding to get Eureka Stadium into shape(for a start), we'll be making our profits there. Hopefully we will start playing games there very soon.

This is a good point. Once Ballarat is finished, the AFL will be pushed to allow North to play a couple (at first) of games there a year. North will make a packet from the agreement, and wont alientate too many fans who can still jump in the car and make the game. The City of Ballarat is apparantly salivating at the thought of holding AFL games by 2013

 

[Dr Dolphin]

Essendon will relocate.

They have very few members for a "big 4" club, and are being forced out of their training base, leaving them homeless!

AFL will entice them to head south

More likely Hawthorn will be forced into a merger. The last time they won a flag they were dead broke within 5 years. I'm happy to wait another 3 years for this to happen again, and this time I hope Melbourne dont even let them put the hawk on the jumper.

 

[Pessimistic]

A third perth team would mean 6 derbys per year not 2 - would help to underwrite a much larger stadium.

So tassie and 3rd WA team to come in. 22 rounds is play each team once (19 games) plus 3 "rivalry" rounds.

The AFL will adjust the system so thet teams with smaller stadiums can compete. therefore having a tassie side with smaller crowds will be achievable


By the same token relocating north will be morally wrong while GC and GWS are still operating on small crowds

Also expect GC and GWS to be playing anywhere but melbourne - they'll play Coll Ess maybe Carl here but other games will be everywhere Darwin Cairns Canberra Ballarat Lainceston Hobart

 

[Zeke]

actually i think the hawks experiment has shown just how much they will adopt a club which moves there. theres no doubt that the hawks support there has exploded since they have been there.

The Hawks have not relocated. They also already had a strong supporter base down here.

The vast majority of new supporters are kids. Hence, my generational call.

 

[worthy]

I can't see any Tasmanians jumping on board a relocation club for at least a generation.

Introducing a relocated club to an existing market is a difficult proposition. All Tasmania football fans already have strong ties to existing clubs.

This is spot on.

The Hawks are building a support base from the ground up, this is evident if you have any involvment in junior footy, where the Hawks are far and away the dominant club supported. As these juniors get older, the true benefits to the HFC will be seen.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

I assure you that will not happen.
We are the only club representing one of the largest growth areas in the country, an area with very high immigration numbers and the main area of melbourne where soccer is an actual threat, due to large african migration.

Why would you move a club which already is the lone representative of a major growth area, in melbournes heartland which is the most susceptible to soccer?


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Yet there is strong speculation that you are $12M in debt and you already receive more from special distribution fund than any other club.

On top of this you are vying for a top 4 position and are coming to the end of your most successful period for over 30 years. You have approximately 4k more members than North (for the first time in your clubs history) who have just spent 2 years on the bottom and are a team on the up. Your numbers are also bunked up by free VUT memberships.

 

[Pessimistic]

This is spot on.

The Hawks are building a support base from the ground up, this is evident if you have any involvment in junior footy, where the Hawks are far and away the dominant club supported. As these juniors get older, the true benefits to the HFC will be seen.

I wonder what percentage of these kids will relocate to melbourne for work later in life ?

I wonder if that was planned or just an unforseen benefit ?

Become melbourne based Hawks supporters but time their visits home to tassie when the hawks play down there ?

 

[Pessimistic]

Yet there is strong speculation that you are $12M in debt and you already receive more from special distribution fund than any other club.

On top of this you are vying for a top 4 position and are coming to the end of your most successful period for over 30 years. You have approximately 4k more members than North (for the first time in your clubs history) who have just spent 2 years on the bottom and are a team on the up. Your numbers are also bunked up by free VUT memberships.

Please dont see this as an attack but I see Doggies fans seem much more likely to buy the more expensive seats at etihad - tiers 1 and 2 than north fans.

I know brayshaw likes to play the nice guy but he really needs to whore himself - like eddie did - on his various footy shows to get norths profile up

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

Please dont see this as an attack but I see Doggies fans seem much more likely to buy the more expensive seats at etihad - tiers 1 and 2 than north fans.

Do you? Uh.....congrats?

What about when they're on the bottom again?

North have consistently had more members and higher attendances than the Bulldogs over the past 40 years. I'd be more inclined to use that as a basis for future members and attendances than the last 3 years when the Dogs have been in the top 4 and North have been cellar dwellers.

 

[Hencho]

Kangaroos - Ballarat (alah Geelong)
Footscray - Tasmania
St Kilda - Frankston (alah Geelong)
Essendon takes care of the Western suburbs.
Carlton to maintain the Northern suburbs.
Hawthorn - Eastern suburbs.
Collingwood - Pretty much everywhere.
Richmond/Melbourne - Southern and Inner city suburbs

 

[Unsociable]

Indulge me for a second:

Lets say the league goes to 18 sides and a 24 game season.

Each side would play about 5 or 6 games away from Melbourne. That leaves our relocated side lets say 18 games between Melbourne and Tasmania. 12 of those games are home games. If our side plays 8 home games in Tassie and the other 4 (High drawing clubs) in Melbourne then it leaves 10 games home and away in Melbourne. The team could potentially train and live in Melbourne.

This would be the best potential relocation set up that would at ease placate the Victorian Membership.

 

[incubi]

Yet there is strong speculation that you are $12M in debt and you already receive more from special distribution fund than any other club.

On top of this you are vying for a top 4 position and are coming to the end of your most successful period for over 30 years. You have approximately 4k more members than North (for the first time in your clubs history) who have just spent 2 years on the bottom and are a team on the up. Your numbers are also bunked up by free VUT memberships.

We may recieve more from the special distribution fund, but that is only 300,000 yet me make more than 300,000 larger profits than north.
We also have revenue over $5m higher than north melbournes.

Yes, membership is for the first time above you in recent times, but this is your first time in recent years to have no sympathy members. So this year you are only just over 28,000 including non game day. To put that into perspective, you had like 3000 non game day last year. North claim getting over 30,000 last year, but your actual membership was only 120 above us, and has dropped significantly this year.

Unlike north melbourne we have outside revenue streams. Our soon to be completed business facilities at whitten oval will increase cashflow, and we have recently increased our gaming revenue potential. Im not sure of the most recent updates on the hotel, but last i saw we won our appeal and it had the go ahead.
I don't know how many times north fans have to be told this, the VU membership is not included in our official membership figure.

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[ILY Leonard]

i really, really hope this is true. cannot wait for tasmania to get a team, honestly could not care who it was that relocated.

I can't see any Tasmanians jumping on board a relocation club for at least a generation.

Introducing a relocated club to an existing market is a difficult proposition. All Tasmania football fans already have strong ties to existing clubs.

kidding yourself. i would be on it from day one, and so wud a lot of my mates back home. you don't have to abandon ur current team to fully support the new one.

 

[Pessimistic]

Indulge me for a second:

Lets say the league goes to 18 sides and a 24 game season.

Each side would play about 5 or 6 games away from Melbourne. That leaves our relocated side lets say 18 games between Melbourne and Tasmania. 12 of those games are home games. If our side plays 8 home games in Tassie and the other 4 (High drawing clubs) in Melbourne then it leaves 10 games home and away in Melbourne. The team could potentially train and live in Melbourne.

This would be the best potential relocation set up that would at ease placate the Victorian Membership.

The whole thing does rely on victorians travelling there in large numbers. If tssie had its own team - the games against vic teams would be well supported, but half the games would be against non victorian teams - how would they go ?

hawks and tigers (for example) playing 4 games each in tassie is much better than Hawthorn (for example) playing 8 games there.
-More people finding more money to travel there - it'd be a huge impost on one set of supporters

 

[cammo78]

Do you? Uh.....congrats?

What about when they're on the bottom again?

North have consistently had more members and higher attendances than the Bulldogs over the past 40 years. I'd be more inclined to use that as a basis for future members and attendances than the last 3 years when the Dogs have been in the top 4 and North have been cellar dwellers.

That is utter crap.

Your average home crowd is 17923. Ours is 19590.

Your average away crowd is 19802. Ours is 21664.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Source: http://www.stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/summary.html#01

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

We may recieve more from the special distribution fund, but that is only 300,000 yet me make more than 300,000 larger profits than north.
We also have revenue over $5m higher than north melbournes.

Yes, membership is for the first time above you in recent times, but this is your first time in recent years to have no sympathy members. So this year you are only just over 28,000 including non game day. To put that into perspective, you had like 3000 non game day last year. North claim getting over 30,000 last year, but your actual membership was only 120 above us, and has dropped significantly this year.

Unlike north melbourne we have outside revenue streams. Our soon to be completed business facilities at whitten oval will increase cashflow, and we have recently increased our gaming revenue potential. Im not sure of the most recent updates on the hotel, but last i saw we won our appeal and it had the go ahead.
I don't know how many times north fans have to be told this, the VU membership is not included in our official membership figure.

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Sounds like business is booming.

Why do you receive the most from the SDF?

Why are you $12M in debt?

Why are you whoring games out to Darwin, Canberra and shortly Tasmania and Geelong?

Why is this only the first year you have outsold North in memberships?

Surely if the Bulldogs were in a good financial state they wouldn't need to relocate games all around the country or rely on the AFL to kick in more than any other club.