Relocation within Melbourne?

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NoobPie

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Geelong is actually majority Geelong supporters though. Is there any council in Melbourne where a majority of footy supporters are St Kilda fans? You'd probably be struggling to find one with even a quarter.

The only way you'd get it done is if you had 4 or 5 clubs sign up to play a few home games a year there. Which would obviously be tough.
I would have thought the saints fans are overwhelmingly from this part of Melbourne....whether or not say Kingston or Glen Eira are 25% St Kilda, there would be large numbers in those areas and maybe down into Frankston

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Johnny Bananas

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Geelong is actually majority Geelong supporters though. Is there any council in Melbourne where a majority of footy supporters are St Kilda fans? You'd probably be struggling to find one with even a quarter.
Given how many clubs there are, there wouldn't be that many with an outright majority in council areas. Essendon in the northwest probably, Collingwood in the northeast, Carlton in Darebin, Hawthorn in Whitehorse, maybe Bulldogs in Maribyrnong, few others. St Kilda would probably have a plurality in Bayside and Kingston even if they don't have a majority.
 

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Rob

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Given how many clubs there are, there wouldn't be that many with an outright majority in council areas. Essendon in the northwest probably, Collingwood in the northeast, Carlton in Darebin, Hawthorn in Whitehorse, maybe Bulldogs in Maribyrnong, few others. St Kilda would probably have a plurality in Bayside and Kingston even if they don't have a majority.
Which is a big reason why there has never been a council or state government push for a suburban stadium. It would invariably be for a club that most residents couldn't give a sh*t about. Many of which would be quite hostile to the idea.

If you're going to spend $200 million there are a hundred things most councils would prefer to do.
 

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Very bad news for north Melbourne just reported in the herald sun the Tasmanian government have stated if no games get played in Tassie which is looking likely they won’t receive any of the 4million sponsorship arrangement hawthorn will still receive some of there due to the jumper sponsorship a huge blow for north!
 

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Very bad news for north Melbourne just reported in the herald sun the Tasmanian government have stated if no games get played in Tassie which is looking likely they won’t receive any of the 4million sponsorship arrangement hawthorn will still receive some of there due to the jumper sponsorship a huge blow for north!
Things will heat up.

Can definitely understand Tassies view here.


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Johnny Bananas

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Which is a big reason why there has never been a council or state government push for a suburban stadium. It would invariably be for a club that most residents couldn't give a sh*t about. Many of which would be quite hostile to the idea.

If you're going to spend $200 million there are a hundred things most councils would prefer to do.
No argument there, that's quite a good point. A suburban stadium would have to be funded by clubs rather than government.
 

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The only way I could see anything like this happening is if they built a boutique 30k stadium that is actually comfortable and designed properly somewhere around Dandenong near the East Link and the train line. St Kilda, Hawthorn and Melbourne could play 4-5 games a season there against low drawing interstate teams with perhaps North Melbourne playing 1-2 as well (potentially 17 H&W games). It would cost a lot though and there’s still more infrastructure needed out that way, so I don’t give it much of a chance.
I think this would be the go. A smaller stadium similar to Geelong's for usually low drawing games v interstate sides. Couple of problems though. The main club you'd want involved is Hawthorn as just a few games from the Saints and Demons is not enough. And they do have a large amount of support in or near the area (and a lot who to this day are still shitty they lost Waverly). But they are tied to Tasmania now which is financially very good and sound for them.
 

Johnny Bananas

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If Melbourne Racing Club sell off Sandown racecourse, that could be an opportunity to build a new ground in the east close to a train station. A stadium would probably only need a quarter of the land and the rest could go towards housing. Would Hawthorn and St Kilda consider playing games there?
 

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If Melbourne Racing Club sell off Sandown racecourse, that could be an opportunity to build a new ground in the east close to a train station. A stadium would probably only need a quarter of the land and the rest could go towards housing. Would Hawthorn and St Kilda consider playing games there?
And add 30 minutes to their trip to play in an inferior stadium with higher ticket prices?
 

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NoobPie

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Fair few assumptions there. If the Docklands deal remains terrible I'm sure some clubs will look at other options.
I would have thought it is pretty well placed for a future ground shared by those two clubs.

Ideally there will be moves to build a 20K rectangular stadium there for a soccer team and then late game it ends up being an 35K oval ;)
 

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If a Melbourne based club was looking at Geelong and what it offered with a fan base / stadium deal and wanted similar they would be better off angling for a number of games in Ballarat where they could carve out their own niche without committing to the cost of a new build stadium.
As it stands how many games are typically played there a year?
(not counting this year obviously)

North playing four games a year there could be a good move if the Tas govt closed their wallet. North’s only there for the cash, and the general Hobart public have been practicing being socially distant with North way before Covid came along.

Bulldogs playing in Ballarat makes sense too, but they’ve got their market in the western suburbs carved out nicely so don’t need it as bad.
 

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If a Melbourne based club was looking at Geelong and what it offered with a fan base / stadium deal and wanted similar they would be better off angling for a number of games in Ballarat where they could carve out their own niche without committing to the cost of a new build stadium.
As it stands how many games are typically played there a year?
(not counting this year obviously)

North playing four games a year there could be a good move if the Tas govt closed their wallet. North’s only there for the cash, and the general Hobart public have been practicing being socially distant with North way before Covid came along.

Bulldogs playing in Ballarat makes sense too, but they’ve got their market in the western suburbs carved out nicely so don’t need it as bad.

Maybe Bendigo is the best bet for north
 

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North playing four games a year there could be a good move if the Tas govt closed their wallet.
North got screwed by Ballarat once already, why would they go back? And why would Ballarat kick out the Bulldogs for North?

It's been discussed here before, North should try for Albury-Wodonga. They used to recruit from that area and might have some fans there still from that era.
 

Professor Knowall

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North got screwed by Ballarat once already, why would they go back? And why would Ballarat kick out the Bulldogs for North?

It's been discussed here before, North should try for Albury-Wodonga. They used to recruit from that area and might have some fans there still from that era.
Damn - you beat me to it! The Ovens & Murray League was indeed North's country zone where they got many good players. Having once lived there for a couple of years quite some years back, I can attest it's probably the one and only area anywhere outside the small suburb of North Melbourne itself where the Roos have a reasonable support.

In addition, games in Albury/Wodonga candy also attract fans from places like Wagga, Wangaratta, Shepparton, Benalla etc.

What's more, Albury also has a newly redeveloped Lavington Oval soon to be completed -
 

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Very bad news for north Melbourne just reported in the herald sun the Tasmanian government have stated if no games get played in Tassie which is looking likely they won’t receive any of the 4million sponsorship arrangement hawthorn will still receive some of there due to the jumper sponsorship a huge blow for north!
Be interesting to see the legal argument given it was the Tasmanian government that blocked the AFL for playing a hub in Tassie.
 

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I won’t be travelling to Casey to watch Richmond on a series of trains, trams and buses across numerous interchanges having left home in the a.m. to do so.
 

Bunk Moreland

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I won’t be travelling to Casey to watch Richmond on a series of trains, trams and buses across numerous interchanges having left home in the a.m. to do so.
Of course you wouldn’t.

But we’d be talking about a club that has few genuine growth options in Melbourne, which is over-populated with AFL clubs.

They may look to explore a generational move to an area which is more like Geelong than it is Melbourne. And which has a football-mad population in the millions. And which doesn’t have a club playing anywhere near it.

Their target for fans would be no closer to Melbourne to Dandenong, at a stretch. But it’d spread east to Pakenham, and south down the Peninsula.

Is there somewhere to play 2-3 games and get 10k - 15k people? If that works, expand it.
 

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