NFL Relocations and League Expansion

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LA got screwed by StL when they stole the Rams, a new glittering stadium as carrot. So fair is fair that LA screwed StL back.

Why is StL moaning about the Rams, they didnt care about the Cardinals leaving for Arizona.

Whilst StL failed the Rams in the Edward Jones Dome situation, gave the Rams a way out of the lease, the city did agree to a sparkling new stadium in StL, the NFL just said no thanks, and moved the franchise to LA. Not honest with StL, just waiting for the terms of the EJ dome to fail so they had an out to LA, and increase worth of franchise.

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Good discussion thread....

I haven't found much good discussion on the actual case in that thread. Besides the multitude of "fu** Kronke" type posts, the biggest discussion are about whether the new Bank of America Stadium in Minneapolis was a good deal for the city and (somewhat bizarrely) why Dean Spanos was justified in moving the Chargers
 

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I haven't found much good discussion on the actual case in that thread. Besides the multitude of "fu** Kronke" type posts, the biggest discussion are about whether the new Bank of America Stadium in Minneapolis was a good deal for the city and (somewhat bizarrely) why Dean Spanos was justified in moving the Chargers
Good/discussion more in the fan side of things, how LA fans arent grieving for StL fans given their team was stolen in the first place, or a few tidbits about the Edward Jones situation....such things.

Actual good legal diacussions about the case, more in the twitter feed, when it grows, or if you can find an actual article that discusses the legal battle in depth...which would bw difficult to find given it hasnt really happened yet
 

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Judge accuses owners who failed to timely disclose financial information of playing “three-card monte”

Posted by Mike Florio on October 13, 2021, 8:01 PM EDT

The NFL keeps taking L’s in St. Louis.
On Wednesday, Judge Christopher McGraugh issued $24,000 in fines and imposed $25,000 in legal fees over the failure of multiple owners to fully disclose financial information, as previously ordered.

“It does seem to me that your clients . . . are dragging their feet on this,” Judge McGraugh said, via the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “It seems like we’re in a three-card monte game.”

The judge fined Chiefs owner Clark Hunt $5,000, New York Giants co-owner John Mara $8,000, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones $6,000, and Patriots owner Robert Kraft $5,000 for not making complete disclosures in compliance with the court order. Judge McGraugh ruled in July that sufficient evidence existed as to those persons and Rams owner Stan Kroenke to support an award of punitive damages. That makes their financial situation relevant, and their financial information subject to disclosure.

Kroenke fully complied with the order.
As to the others, that’s not the end of it. On December 3, the lawyers for those four owners will return to court with an opportunity to “show cause” as to why they should not be held in contempt of court for failing to comply with the order to release the information.

The plaintiffs had tried for more than that. They wanted an order striking the pleadings and entering judgment against those owners, with the trial then focusing only on damages. The judge did not go that far, obviously.
Maybe, at some point, he will.

“This behavior just cannot go on,” Judge McGraugh said.

If it does, stronger sanctions could be coming.
 

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Everyone knows that Kroenke did not act in good faith when he moved the Rams to LA. And you can bet your ass there will be evidence (dare I say in e-mails and memos) that confirm this. The NFL do not want this to end up in a trial with Goodell, Kroenke etc in the witness box. They will pay STL to go away. Dare I say, we could very well see an assurance that they will get the 33rd franchise in the league once the league inevitably expands within the next 20 years.
 

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I say expand by 4 teams

2 conferences,
3 divisions per conference
6 teams per division

Where do you put the 4 new teams, hmmmm.
St Louis is obvious
London is obvious
Chicago #2 (I think if they're expanding, this is a very good chance as whoever will fund new stadium will throw more money at it for nfl every week. Sure, they'll relocate down the line, but short term, Chicago #2 I think will happen if they go towards 36)
Portland (Other cities make sense in one way or another, but vested interests will block it. Ie, Jerry would block SA and OKC, multitude of Fl owners would block Orlando, NFL wouldn't want Toronto to cannibilise Buffalo etc. etc. Which means Portland is the last one standing)

NFC West - Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles (Rams), Arizona, New Orleans, St Louis
AFC West - Las Vegas, Los Angeles (Chargers), Kansas City, Denver, Houston, Portland
NFC East - Washington, Philadelphia, New York (Giants), Dallas, Tampa Bay, Atlanta
AFC East - New England, New York (Jets), Miami, Buffalo, Tennessee, Indianapolis
NFC Central - Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, Chicago (Bears), Jacksonville, Carolina
AFC Central - Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Chicago (#2), London

Or maybe (I prefer the 1st option, however, I'm not sure I like moving a team from one conference to another, so maybe do this instead)

NFC West - Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles (Rams), Arizona, Portland , St Louis
AFC West - Las Vegas, Los Angeles (Chargers), Kansas City, Denver, Houston, Chicago (#2)
NFC East - Washington, Philadelphia, New York (Giants), Dallas, Tampa Bay, Carolina
AFC East - New England, New York (Jets), Miami, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Indianapolis
NFC Central - Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, Chicago (Bears), New Orleans, Atlanta
AFC Central - Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Tennessee, London
 

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NFC West - Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles (Rams), Arizona, St Louis, Portland
AFC West - Las Vegas, Los Angeles (Chargers), Kansas City, Denver, Houston, San Diego
NFC East - Washington, Philadelphia, New York (Giants), Dallas. New Orleans, Atlanta
AFC East - New England, New York (Jets), Miami, Buffalo, Tennessee, Jacksonville
NFC Central - Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, Chicago (Bears), Tampa Bay, Carolina
AFC Central - Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Chicago (#2), Indianapolis

Ripping up the Southern divisions seems the most logical (AFC South the worst division rivalry wise in the league, then you look at the NFC, you cant rip up the East or North, and it'd be lunacy to rip up the West, so South it is)

When I look at the NFC - none of the NFC South feel logical to send out West (I know, I know, Saints/Falcons/Buccaneers have been in the past, but yeah, nah). I view it as 2 expansion into NFC West, then the Falcons-Saints are a tandem pair (best rivalry in the league imo) and it leaves the Buccaneers/Panthers together too. If Dallas wern't in the East, I would honestly place the Saints/Falcons in Central as it seems logical for the Saints and Panthers/Buccaneers in East, however, the Saints-Cowboys have a natural rivalry which would explode as a divisional game. So the Saints-Cowboys sends the Saints-Falcons to the East and Panthers-Buccaneers to the Central

I then look at the AFC. Houston can go West, with one of the Western expansion franchises. Chicago #2 goes Central as it's well placed with the teams already there. It then just comes down to Titans, Jaguars or Colts to go Central. They're interchangeable tbh. Do you give Miami a local rival? Do you keep the Florida teams sperate to give a 3rd division the luxury of a December game in Florida? Do you go back to the 2000s rivalry of Colts-Patriots? Do you pull on the Colts ditching Baltimore to create an Indy-Baltimore rivalry? I ended up going with the Baltimore-Indianapolis thread, while hoping Miami-Jacksonville can grow, while also keeping Jags-Titans as an annual TNF game (What has it been 5 of the last 8 seasons? Keep it going :p )
 

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Looking at London, I'd prefer to place them in AFC North.
Yeah, 3/4 AFC East trips are shorter, but that Miami one stands out so much
And if you expand, and contract divisions, placing the COlts in that division makes even more sense.
 

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I know I've said it before (Dont ask me where), but I feel game #17 should be neutral every year

London, Munich, Sydney, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Mexico City, Rio Di Janerio etc.

Something like this.

49ers-Bengals - Tokyo
Seahawks-Steelers - Shanghai
Rams-Ravens - Mexico City
Cardinals-Browns - Sydney
Buccaneers-Colts - London
Saints-Titans - Munich
Panthers-Texans - Rio Di Janerio
Falcons-Jaguars - London
Vikings-Chargers - Stockholm
Lions-Broncos - Madrid
Packers-Chiefs - London
Bears-Raiders - Hong Kong
Football Team-Bills - Paris
Giants-Dolphins - Moscow
Eagles-Jets - Buenos Aires
Cowboys-Patriots - London
 
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