NFL Relocations and League Expansion

[Exe Gesis]

Jerry Jones on MNF crew said....."davis and spanos are great owners BUT.....we needed the right ownership to do LA again, and Stan can invest so much more, is a forward thinker, dreamer, and Rams have a much greater legacy / tradition in LA, plus the inglewood site was much bigger than carson too."

 

[Chewy316]

If Vegas happens for the Raiders, the following will occur:

Assuming the stadium is to be opened in 2019, the Raiders would play in Oakland for 2017, then move to Los Angeles for the 2018 season and play at StubHub arena. If the stadium opens 2020, they stay in Oakland till 2019 then move to StubHub for that 1 season. The NFL wants to give the small, 'intimate' venue a try and they're not going to lose anything by making the Raiders be the guinea pigs of that, given they're moving to Vegas eventually anyway.

Additionally, by moving to Vegas, the NFL keeps the Raiders out of Los Angeles permanently and doesn't open themselves up to an anti-trust lawsuit. It also gives them an additional year for San Diego (specifically Dean Spanos) to delay his decision on Los Angeles for another year, to try and work something out in SD. It also keeps the Raiders out of Texas, another potential market where Davis has an agreement on a plot of land half way between San Antonio and Austin for a stadium.

The only place where a relocation of the Raiders to Las Vegas doesn't make sense, is in Oakland.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Jason Cole reports that the Southern Nevada Tourism Infrastructure Committee is expected to recommend between $590M-$650M for a Las Vegas stadium to be built for the Raiders on Thursday. According to Cole, multiple sources have indicated there is “drama” in Vegas, which includes a meeting between Sands CEO Sheldon Adelson and the governor set for Wednesday. Even so, Cole says that there is still expected to be a recommendation to fund the project, and there’s also growing government support for the project.

A major development in the push to build a stadium in Las Vegas for the NFL's Raiders may be on the horizon. Bleacher Report's Jason Cole expects "twists/turns" to come this week, including a recommendation from the Southern Nevada Tourism Infrastructure Committee (SNTIC) for a $590-650 million stadium project.

......but Oakland is offering to try and convert 49er fans to Raider fans and a new BART station......hmmmm, which deal should Mark take?

 

[Dirty Bird]

Option C) New White Hart Lane.

 

[larkis]

So anyone think the Chargers are trying to piss off San Diego with the Bosa negotiations so the city asks it to move?

 

[Sydney Bloods]

So anyone think the Chargers are trying to piss off San Diego with the Bosa negotiations so the city asks it to move?

bosa just seems like he wants out, its not like their low balling him.

 

[Exe Gesis]

 

[Exe Gesis]

http://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/ed...lock-las-vegas-raiders-stadium-deal/89101860/

Multiple people from LA to Vegas local sports radio to National NFL people all hit the airwaves late last night with the "Raiders to Vegas could be streamlined by tomorrow". Adelson met with the Governor, who he contributed 300k to 2 years ago, yesterday and the momentum is here.

Efforts to lure the Oakland Raiders may require Northern Nevada lawmakers to sign off on potentially $750 million in taxpayer money for a domed stadium intended to seal the deal.

Not everyone thinks it's a great idea. There is no possible way that Nevada lawmakers can quantify a Raiders stadium as being a good deal for the state. NFL stadiums are notorious money losers. If they were such great investments, then those who are supporting the project, such as billionaires Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn, would find a manner to pay for it without depending on taxpayers.

As long as pro sports owners think they can extort money from taxpayers by promising relocation for a stadium, owners will keep pitting one city against the other for taxpayer subsidies. Politicians need to wise up and quit being duped. Unfortunately, Sheldon has a herd of rented mules in Carson City to hand him over funds that should be spent on transportation infrastructure and education. Just Say No To Sheldon!

 

[Exe Gesis]

A's wil be gone from O.co

As reported by both the San Francisco Chronicle and the East Bay Times, A's co-owner John Fisher will tour Howard Terminal as a potential fit for the next home of the Oakland A's. Located on the estuary separating Oakland and Alameda, Howard Terminal has long been a proposed fit for the A's and is a favored landing spot of mayor Libby Schaaf

 

[Exe Gesis]

The Raiders presentation for the Las Vegas stadium has been posted on the Southern Nevada Tourism Infrastructure Committee (SNTIC) website...

http://sntic.org/meeting/16/lvstadium/raiders/SNTIC_Stadium_Presentation_08.25.16.pdf

 

[Exe Gesis]

 

[aussiedude]

The Raiders presentation for the Las Vegas stadium has been posted on the Southern Nevada Tourism Infrastructure Committee (SNTIC) website...

http://sntic.org/meeting/16/lvstadium/raiders/SNTIC_Stadium_Presentation_08.25.16.pdf

1.9B Well its Vegas so someone will be hitting the Card tables

 

[Exe Gesis]

Doesn't sound so sure-fire to me....

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Las Vegas investors: $750 million in public money for Raiders, or else
Posted by Darin Gantt on August 26, 2016, 6:23 AM EDT

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Las Vegas is fairly new to the business of being a potential host for professional football, but the group that’s trying to bring the Raiders there is already employing a good old-fashioned NFL shakedown.

According to the Associated Press, the group headed by Sheldon Adelson told a local oversight committee last night that they needed no less than $750 million of public money for the project, and would walk away from their project if they don’t get it.

“Not to be difficult, but we’re not negotiable,” said Sands president Rob Goldstein, who spoke on behalf of billionaire casino mogul Sheldon Adelson and his family. “If we can’t get 750, we respectfully thank you but we’re going to move on.”

Of course, there are critics of the plan, as there are every place when NFL business is built on the back of public money.

“There’s been a lot of conversation on why are we giving money to billionaires,” said Steve Hill, chairman of the oversight committee and head of the Nevada Governor’s Office of Economic Development. “The public is not making a contribution to a privately owned stadium.”

Goldstein said the total cost of the project was going to be $1.9 billion, and he said the list of proposed sites was down to two. They also showed off renderings of a proposed 65,000-seat domed stadium.

The Raiders haven’t been able to get their current hometown to come up with $500 million toward keeping them in Oakland, and have been working on Las Vegas in earnest, even applying to trademark “Las Vegas Raiders.”

Adelson and his company are also trying to rush the project through a September special legislative session, so they can secure the funding before the next NFL owners meeting in January.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Bye Bye Vegas Dreams

Adelson is one of the nation’s most politically active billionaires, and is donating to numerous local, state, and national races. His power comes from his wealth, and his wealth will increase with an NFL stadium paid for by taxpayers, and it’s undoubtedly valuable for him to know just which candidates will be on his side, and which ones could use a little pressure.

All this for a $1.9 billion stadium that most Las Vegas residents don’t want to spend public money on. Luckily for Adelson, they won’t get to vote on it.

https://www.google.com/amp/deadspin...y-s**t-on-las-ve-1785800831/amp?client=safari

 

[NitroFan]

Bye Bye Vegas Dreams

Adelson is one of the nation’s most politically active billionaires, and is donating to numerous local, state, and national races. His power comes from his wealth, and his wealth will increase with an NFL stadium paid for by taxpayers, and it’s undoubtedly valuable for him to know just which candidates will be on his side, and which ones could use a little pressure.

All this for a $1.9 billion stadium that most Las Vegas residents don’t want to spend public money on. Luckily for Adelson, they won’t get to vote on it.

https://www.google.com/amp/deadspin...y-s**t-on-las-ve-1785800831/amp?client=safari

youd think adelson would have enough money to do something about that hair.

 

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[LB#16]

NHL expansion team is debating whether to brand themselves "Las Vegas" or simply "Vegas". Very hard considering they don't yet have a nickname but I think "Vegas Raiders" would be it if they were to relocate.

 

[Chewy316]

NHL expansion team is debating whether to brand themselves "Las Vegas" or simply "Vegas". Very hard considering they don't yet have a nickname but I think "Vegas Raiders" would be it if they were to relocate.

I think what you'll find is that they'll be officially titled 'The Las Vegas Raiders' but everyone will call them 'The Vegas Raiders.'

Spoke to someone who is deeply connected to the political scene in Nevada, and they told me that this is essentially a done deal, that the SNTIC will approve the full 750 million in public financing, and that they (The developers) have the numbers to get a majority vote at a legislative special session.

Really just a matter of sitting back and seeing what happens. I'll be shocked if it falls over from here.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Dont know why but i think its great that the Raiders will/could be playing in Las Vegas, sucks for the people of Oakland but i think the move makes a lot of sense financially and the city and nickname kinda suits them to a tee.

Im going to Vegas early next year. Will just be another reason to visit the city of sin for many.

 

[LB#16]

Dont know why but i think its great that the Raiders will/could be playing in Las Vegas, sucks for the people of Oakland but i think the move makes a lot of sense financially and the city and nickname kinda suits them to a tee.

Im going to Vegas early next year. Will just be another reason to visit the city of sin for many.

Boys weekends might be the bulk of the crowd each week.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Boys weekends might be the bulk of the crowd each week.

Im hoping to catch a glimpse of Johnny Manziel. Raiders #1 ticket holder.

 

[Chewy316]

Dont know why but i think its great that the Raiders will/could be playing in Las Vegas, sucks for the people of Oakland but i think the move makes a lot of sense financially and the city and nickname kinda suits them to a tee.

Im going to Vegas early next year. Will just be another reason to visit the city of sin for many.

It makes PERFECT sense for the Raiders. There will be plenty of people flying in to see the games, but you'll find a bucketload of them will be Raider fans, and not the away fans who make it their '1 road game a year' trip. The Raiders have 10 thousand season ticket holders who live in Los Angeles and travel up North for every home game. Given that Vegas is closer than SF, you can guarantee most will keep their tickets. Then you've got all the NoCal fans who will continue to support the team (which will happen, not everyone is going to jump ship up there).

I think they've projected to have around 35% of the stadium filled with out of towners for NFL games. Might be 25% though.

 

[Exe Gesis]

It's going to decimate the norcal supporter base. Last time to LA did and they ended up becoming Niners fans. And the ratio hasnt changed since....far more niners fans in norcal than raiders fans.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

It makes PERFECT sense for the Raiders. There will be plenty of people flying in to see the games, but you'll find a bucketload of them will be Raider fans, and not the away fans who make it their '1 road game a year' trip. The Raiders have 10 thousand season ticket holders who live in Los Angeles and travel up North for every home game. Given that Vegas is closer than SF, you can guarantee most will keep their tickets. Then you've got all the NoCal fans who will continue to support the team (which will happen, not everyone is going to jump ship up there).

I think they've projected to have around 35% of the stadium filled with out of towners for NFL games. Might be 25% though.

Not to mention all the people who come from overseas to visit Vegas, you can pick up millions of supporters who havent got a team yet right there. I know the Raider brand has always been big but it has the potential to go to a whole new level with the move to LV.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

The only negative i see is the amount of distractions for players. Having said that im sure when youre a millionaire you can find distractions wherever you live if youre looking for them.