List Mgmt. Remaining List Changes?

[Lsta062]

Most years: "omg I can't believe we went down the dfa route, typical RFC recruiting duds"

This year, RFC looks like it isn't going down dfa route: "can't believe we aren't considering it, siting on our hands as usual"

Well, it simply isn't a blanket rule. It is up to the club to know when it is the right time to pick up a DFA from when it isn't, and when a DFA will fill a need adequately and when they won't. I don't want the club thinking one-dimensionally on this because picking up DFAs as a whole isn't necessarily a bad strategy if it isn't overdone and they fill a specific need.

In this case, Richmond has lost Vickery, McBean, McKenzie and Chaplin all in the one season, with three of them being KPFs. While McBean and McKenzie haven't played much, I still think they need to be replaced along with the other two.

The club did not pick up any KPPs in the trade period and are out of the first round of this draft (most of the good KPFs come from the first round). So, I expected the club to have a serious look at Xavier Richards given that:

- He has played alongside one of our new recruits.
- He fills a desperate need (KPF)
- He is young
- He doesn't cost much

Yeah, Xavier Richards himself isn't a first round pick (Most of the good KPFs come in the first round), but he has played in a Grand Final and started to show good signs, so I'd have looked at him.

Will he become a good player? I don't know. Does he look promising? I think so. There is a difference in picking up a DFA that probably won't do much other than being depth and picking up a DFA who may actually end up slotting into your best 22 due to improvement, and that is where I think Richards is at.

I really feel like we are one Riewoldt and/or Rance injury away from bottom 4 and possibly even bottom 2 with our current KPP stock.

 

[French Tiger]

Obviously the club doesn't share the view that our key position stocks are thin as ! All I can think of is that we will use some rookie picks to get some depth.

 

[TigerImposter]

Well, it simply isn't a blanket rule. It is up to the club to know when it is the right time to pick up a DFA from when it isn't, and when a DFA will fill a need adequately and when they won't. I don't want the club thinking one-dimensionally on this because picking up DFAs as a whole isn't necessarily a bad strategy if it isn't overdone and they fill a specific need.

In this case, Richmond has lost Vickery, McBean, McKenzie and Chaplin all in the one season, with three of them being KPFs. While McBean and McKenzie haven't played much, I still think they need to be replaced along with the other two.

The club did not pick up any KPPs in the trade period and are out of the first round of this draft (most of the good KPFs come from the first round). So, I expected the club to have a serious look at Xavier Richards given that:

- He has played alongside one of our new recruits.
- He fills a desperate need (KPF)
- He is young
- He doesn't cost much

Yeah, Xavier Richards himself isn't a first round pick (Most of the good KPFs come in the first round), but he has played in a Grand Final and started to show good signs, so I'd have looked at him.

Will he become a good player? I don't know. Does he look promising? I think so. There is a difference in picking up a DFA that probably won't do much other than being depth and picking up a DFA who may actually end up slotting into your best 22 due to improvement, and that is where I think Richards is at.

I really feel like we are one Riewoldt and/or Rance injury away from bottom 4 and possibly even bottom 2 with our current KPP stock.

Good points. I can recall saying this years ago at Coburg when watching a young Ted Richards play season after season for the Bendigo Bombers against the Coburg Tigers. He turned out to be a disciplined leader who was well above serviceable. He's better than most tall players on our list barring Rance and Jack so I would be taking the punt.

 

[TigerImposter]

Well, it simply isn't a blanket rule. It is up to the club to know when it is the right time to pick up a DFA from when it isn't, and when a DFA will fill a need adequately and when they won't. I don't want the club thinking one-dimensionally on this because picking up DFAs as a whole isn't necessarily a bad strategy if it isn't overdone and they fill a specific need.

In this case, Richmond has lost Vickery, McBean, McKenzie and Chaplin all in the one season, with three of them being KPFs. While McBean and McKenzie haven't played much, I still think they need to be replaced along with the other two.

The club did not pick up any KPPs in the trade period and are out of the first round of this draft (most of the good KPFs come from the first round). So, I expected the club to have a serious look at Xavier Richards given that:

- He has played alongside one of our new recruits.
- He fills a desperate need (KPF)
- He is young
- He doesn't cost much

Yeah, Xavier Richards himself isn't a first round pick (Most of the good KPFs come in the first round), but he has played in a Grand Final and started to show good signs, so I'd have looked at him.

Will he become a good player? I don't know. Does he look promising? I think so. There is a difference in picking up a DFA that probably won't do much other than being depth and picking up a DFA who may actually end up slotting into your best 22 due to improvement, and that is where I think Richards is at.

I really feel like we are one Riewoldt and/or Rance injury away from bottom 4 and possibly even bottom 2 with our current KPP stock.

Is this the point we were all concerned about?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ffseason-surgery-setback-20161104-gsi9th.html

 

[Lsta062]

Is this the point we were all concerned about?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ffseason-surgery-setback-20161104-gsi9th.html

Well there you go. If anything happens to that finger or ankle and he spends a considerable time out, our back up number one KPF is Griffiths. If Griffiths continues his track record of injuries and is added to the sidelines with Riewoldt, then next in line is one of Elton and Chol. If Hampson continues his track record of injuries, then our main ruck will be Nankervis.

Envision this. Nankervis our main ruck with Elton and Chol and our main KPFs...

See what I mean? And this scenario isn't very farfetched given the possible implications of Riewoldt's surgeries mentioned in the article and the history of injuries that both Griffiths and Hampson suffered in the past. I think Chol is promising by the way, but I think we need to give him some time to develop. Therefore, I don't think we are in a position to skip on picking up a KPF this off-season, even if it means picking one up in the DFA period despite receiving criticism on doing this before.

Again, it isn't a bad thing picking up a DFA if there is a need for it. The problem comes when that is pretty much all you do and you don't trade for any highly-rated players at all like us in the last few years.

 

[theflea]

Well there you go. If anything happens to that finger or ankle and he spends a considerable time out, our back up number one KPF is Griffiths. If Griffiths continues his track record of injuries and is added to the sidelines with Riewoldt, then next in line is one of Elton and Chol. If Hampson continues his track record of injuries, then our main ruck will be Nankervis.

Envision this. Nankervis our main ruck with Elton and Chol and our main KPFs...

See what I mean? And this scenario isn't very farfetched given the possible implications of Riewoldt's surgeries mentioned in the article and the history of injuries that both Griffiths and Hampson suffered in the past. I think Chol is promising by the way, but I think we need to give him some time to develop. Therefore, I don't think we are in a position to skip on picking up a KPF this off-season, even if it means picking one up in the DFA period despite receiving criticism on doing this before.

Again, it isn't a bad thing picking up a DFA if there is a need for it. The problem comes when that is pretty much all you do and you don't trade for any highly-rated players at all like us in the last few years.

Ultimately maybe they dont think he is much chop?

 

[Lsta062]

Ultimately maybe they dont think he is much chop?

They have cut three KPFs and have replaced none as of yet. If they think he is not much chop, then what KPF are they interested in?

If you say the draft, the star KPFs largely come from the first round, and we don't have one. We can pick one up from outside of the first round, but they may take a while to develop and this doesn't fit with our current age structure as retaining many of our 26-28 year olds + bringing in solid midfielders aged 24-25 means to me that we aren't rebuilding, but merely refreshing. You likely won't get a star KPF from out of the first round anyway for all of that waiting if the past drafting is anything to go by. Just a solid contributor.

Richards is from out of the first round, fits our age profile better than a young KPF out of the first round, has more experience and has the potential to become a solid contributor for the club. As a bonus, he has played in a Grand Final for Sydney just last season.

If there is a better KPF available than Richards, then the club should go for that player. But if there isn't, then I'd go with him.

 

[Accepted 04]

So after all our re-signings how many picks will we have in the National & Rookie Drafts?


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[RockJobster0312]

They have cut three KPFs and have replaced none as of yet. If they think he is not much chop, then what KPF are they interested in?

If you say the draft, the star KPFs largely come from the first round, and we don't have one. We can pick one up from outside of the first round, but they may take a while to develop and this doesn't fit with our current age structure as retaining many of our 26-28 year olds + bringing in solid midfielders aged 24-25 means to me that we aren't rebuilding, but merely refreshing. You likely won't get a star KPF from out of the first round anyway for all of that waiting if the past drafting is anything to go by. Just a solid contributor.

Richards is from out of the first round, fits our age profile better than a young KPF out of the first round, has more experience and has the potential to become a solid contributor for the club. As a bonus, he has played in a Grand Final for Sydney just last season.

If there is a better KPF available than Richards, then the club should go for that player. But if there isn't, then I'd go with him.

I get what you're saying, and there's merit in it. But just for completeness, Richards was a rookie pick. Nankervis can play forward (I am hoping Griffiths takes Vickery's role and Nanny takes Griffiths). Our stocks are still probably one player to short, but maybe that will provide an opportunity for Chol, C.Moore and Elton to step up. Throw them into the deep end so to speak.

From what I have heard (as always the caveat is that it is someone from outside the club), we have spoken to Richards. His preferred destination is the Dons because he is more likely to be best 22 for them next year. There have been more than a few clubs who have spoken to him for what its worth.

Also heard re: Batch/ Lambert and Butler signings. The latter was always going to happen. It was whether he would be delisted and re-rookied.

Lambert and Batch are list management decisions. With potentially 3 early selections next draft, and the possibility of elevating 1 or 2 rookie players at the end of next season, the club needs to have a few 'carry over' players. Else you go to the draft this year with two or three extra picks which will come late AND be automatically 2 year contracts. So its about maintaining some semblance of list flexibility for 2018.

Again the last 2 paragraphs are from someone from another clubs view of our off season.

 

[French Tiger]

I get what you're saying, and there's merit in it. But just for completeness, Richards was a rookie pick. Nankervis can play forward (I am hoping Griffiths takes Vickery's role and Nanny takes Griffiths). Our stocks are still probably one player to short, but maybe that will provide an opportunity for Chol, C.Moore and Elton to step up. Throw them into the deep end so to speak.

From what I have heard (as always the caveat is that it is someone from outside the club), we have spoken to Richards. His preferred destination is the Dons because he is more likely to be best 22 for them next year. There have been more than a few clubs who have spoken to him for what its worth.

Also heard re: Batch/ Lambert and Butler signings. The latter was always going to happen. It was whether he would be delisted and re-rookied.

Lambert and Batch are list management decisions. With potentially 3 early selections next draft, and the possibility of elevating 1 or 2 rookie players at the end of next season, the club needs to have a few 'carry over' players. Else you go to the draft this year with two or three extra picks which will come late AND be automatically 2 year contracts. So its about maintaining some semblance of list flexibility for 2018.

Again the last 2 paragraphs are from someone from another clubs view of our off season.

Couldn't we have delisted say Lambert & Butler & picked up 2 key position dfa on 1 year deals then if that's the case ?

 

[SumTingWong]

I Dont want to name names until I can confirm it.

Can you tell us now who you thought it was or is it still happening?

 

[SumTingWong]

Butler deserves another go. His best is damn good at VFL level but for whatever reason/s hasn't put it together any where often enough.

 

[JR82]

So after all our re-signings how many picks will we have in the National & Rookie Drafts?


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given our #'s options are limited. it's either 2 picks plus Short which takes us to 39 snr listed players.
or 3 picks plus Short which takes us to 40 with no upgrades for Rd 1. i don't know how Morris is tracking but he may be put on the LTI for the start of the year if someone deserves an upgrade.
we have 2 rookie spots left.

 

[RockJobster0312]

Couldn't we have delisted say Lambert & Butler & picked up 2 key position dfa on 1 year deals then if that's the case ?

Sure could have. But if you were a dfa and you were offered a one year deal from the RFC and say a two year deal from the EFC... what would you chose?

 

[Tiger71]

They have cut three KPFs and have replaced none as of yet. If they think he is not much chop, then what KPF are they interested in?

If you say the draft, the star KPFs largely come from the first round, and we don't have one. We can pick one up from outside of the first round, but they may take a while to develop and this doesn't fit with our current age structure as retaining many of our 26-28 year olds + bringing in solid midfielders aged 24-25 means to me that we aren't rebuilding, but merely refreshing. You likely won't get a star KPF from out of the first round anyway for all of that waiting if the past drafting is anything to go by. Just a solid contributor.

Richards is from out of the first round, fits our age profile better than a young KPF out of the first round, has more experience and has the potential to become a solid contributor for the club. As a bonus, he has played in a Grand Final for Sydney just last season.

If there is a better KPF available than Richards, then the club should go for that player. But if there isn't, then I'd go with him.

Agree. Just will say. Maybe the ckub realise next years draft has some seriously quality talls in tge first round and with us having 2 picks they are rolling the dice this year.

Our one strength area is that we have recruited more mids who kick goals. So if the worst happens this year and we lose a primary tall, we can still rejig to stay competitive

 

[JR82]

Agree. Just will say. Maybe the ckub realise next years draft has some seriously quality talls in tge first round and with us having 2 picks they are rolling the dice this year.

Our one strength area is that we have recruited more mids who kick goals. So if the worst happens this year and we lose a primary tall, we can still rejig to stay competitive

agree, if it means we structure up like the Dogs did this year that can't be a bad thing.

 

[GoTigers2015]

So after all our re-signings how many picks will we have in the National & Rookie Drafts?

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4 sports remaining either:
2 National Draft picks / 2 Rookie draft (39 senior players and 5 Cat A rookies) or
3 National Draft picks / 1 Rookie pick (40 senior players and 4 Cat A rookies)

Would prefer 3 picks in the NAB draft but would depend on who is left at pick 80.

We also have 2 spots available for another 2 Cat B rookies and can get indigenous or multicultural players with these picks at the end of the Rookie draft.

 

[Lsta062]

Agree. Just will say. Maybe the ckub realise next years draft has some seriously quality talls in tge first round and with us having 2 picks they are rolling the dice this year.

Our one strength area is that we have recruited more mids who kick goals. So if the worst happens this year and we lose a primary tall, we can still rejig to stay competitive

That is what I am hoping for. Bulldogs also had a bit of an issue with talls in their forward line this year, so if one of Elton and Chol suddenly come on like Boyd has for them this year, it may not end up so badly. Or, if our ground level work becomes so superb like Adelaide's forward line through the likes of Lennon, Rioli and maybe even Castagna in conjunction with more goalkickers from the midfield as you said, then it won't be bad either.

It is a big risk though and if it backfires, then our scoring dries up and another bottom 6 finish beckons.

I get what you're saying, and there's merit in it. But just for completeness, Richards was a rookie pick. Nankervis can play forward (I am hoping Griffiths takes Vickery's role and Nanny takes Griffiths). Our stocks are still probably one player to short, but maybe that will provide an opportunity for Chol, C.Moore and Elton to step up. Throw them into the deep end so to speak.

From what I have heard (as always the caveat is that it is someone from outside the club), we have spoken to Richards. His preferred destination is the Dons because he is more likely to be best 22 for them next year. There have been more than a few clubs who have spoken to him for what its worth.

Also heard re: Batch/ Lambert and Butler signings. The latter was always going to happen. It was whether he would be delisted and re-rookied.

Lambert and Batch are list management decisions. With potentially 3 early selections next draft, and the possibility of elevating 1 or 2 rookie players at the end of next season, the club needs to have a few 'carry over' players. Else you go to the draft this year with two or three extra picks which will come late AND be automatically 2 year contracts. So its about maintaining some semblance of list flexibility for 2018.

Again the last 2 paragraphs are from someone from another clubs view of our off season.

Well if Richards prefers to go to Essendon, then that is fine from a Richmond perspective. It is his choice anyway, but would be comfortable if they at least enquired about him. I also don't mind Butler being kept. Hasn't played a game for Richmond yet, so we'll see what he has got.

 

[GoTigers2015]

We have 21 players out of contract at the end of next year. The guys on Richmond Tiger Talk rather pessimistically think we could delist 10 of these players at the end of the season. http://richo.podbean.com/ Hopefully most of the second tier players will step up, so won't need to delist that many.

Big years needed for B Ellis, Lennon, Miles, Lambert, Batchelor, Hunt, Drummond, Butler, Soldo and Castagna To a lesser extent Chol and Moore as next year will only be their second year on the list.

Can't see Townsend, Elton, Broad making the next step. This time last year I said that about Lloyd and Hammer but they both improved to cement a spot in the seniors.

 

[French Tiger]

Sure could have. But if you were a dfa and you were offered a one year deal from the RFC and say a two year deal from the EFC... what would you chose?

Yes but not all dfa are getting offered 2 year deals by sides , I'm guessing most would be grateful to have any offer put in frt of them

 

[theflea]

They have cut three KPFs and have replaced none as of yet. If they think he is not much chop, then what KPF are they interested in?

If you say the draft, the star KPFs largely come from the first round, and we don't have one. We can pick one up from outside of the first round, but they may take a while to develop and this doesn't fit with our current age structure as retaining many of our 26-28 year olds + bringing in solid midfielders aged 24-25 means to me that we aren't rebuilding, but merely refreshing. You likely won't get a star KPF from out of the first round anyway for all of that waiting if the past drafting is anything to go by. Just a solid contributor.

Richards is from out of the first round, fits our age profile better than a young KPF out of the first round, has more experience and has the potential to become a solid contributor for the club. As a bonus, he has played in a Grand Final for Sydney just last season.

If there is a better KPF available than Richards, then the club should go for that player. But if there isn't, then I'd go with him.

That is all fair enough, but it is predicated that you think he is alright. I think he is meh, which was why I just said maybe our boys don't want to waste getting him. Also what do you mean he is from the first round? He was a 2nd rd rookie pick.

 

[theflea]

Couldn't we have delisted say Lambert & Butler & picked up 2 key position dfa on 1 year deals then if that's the case ?

But who tho that we think can play well enough?

 

[theflea]

That is what I am hoping for. Bulldogs also had a bit of an issue with talls in their forward line this year, so if one of Elton and Chol suddenly come on like Boyd has for them this year, it may not end up so badly. Or, if our ground level work becomes so superb like Adelaide's forward line through the likes of Lennon, Rioli and maybe even Castagna in conjunction with more goalkickers from the midfield as you said, then it won't be bad either.

It is a big risk though and if it backfires, then our scoring dries up and another bottom 6 finish beckons.


Well if Richards prefers to go to Essendon, then that is fine from a Richmond perspective. It is his choice anyway, but would be comfortable if they at least enquired about him. I also don't mind Butler being kept. Hasn't played a game for Richmond yet, so we'll see what he has got.

Just on this, this is what I meant earlier. Just because we don't hear about, doesn't mean the club hasn't done the research.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Dan Butler can play..

Rugged type small forward who would complement Rioli.

 

[JR82]

Dan Butler can play..

Rugged type small forward who would complement Rioli.

basically missed his 1st yr through injury, has next yr to show us what he's made of