Autopsy 'Remember when...' - Volume III: 1989

[vinum coupe]

Consistently average Partridge !

You are right Veedubs, 10 or 11 he kicked.

That was another example of how good he was. The forward line was a barren wasteland that night. There was never anyone there and we never looked capable of kicking goals.

But somehow he plucked out 10



And maybe he has been our most consistent forward
I just always went to the footy for the Ablett show. And always felt let down when he only kicked 4.

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

so ask me this........was Michael Voss consistent?

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

was Nathan Buckley consistent?

because must not have been in your opinion as players today average 30+ in my midfield
How many grand finals would Geelong be in if Ablett stayed at Hawthorn?

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

Let's say we kept Bruce Linder at full foward
I truly doubt we would have made 2 let alone 1 grand final appearance if not for Ablett. You need to also remember he may have only had 5 kicks but still kicked 3 or 4 goals from those kicks. I wonder just how many games he went without actually kicking a goal

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

I do think the perception of Gary being a very erratic and inconsistent waste of talent is very wrong. Also many myths about how he wasn't the best trainer, I know for a fact that he kept himself in better shape than any other player on our list at the time and he had strict training regiments that were a large reason for his success in the off-season's. I know as human beings we hate to be wrong in any argument but I do admit he could go through games seemingly lazy-like but he'd still produce something in everysingle game let alone having to kick 4+ every other match. And it's even more mind boggling to think what his final goals tally would have been had Geelong started him at full forward from say year 1987 as the designated spear head because if his 4 years as the full forward were anything to go by then 1300 goals would have been a very real possibility. And I reckon it would be hard to pass on Gazza as being the most consistent contested mark in AFL/VFL history. I heard Royce Hart was never beaten in the air but geez could Gazza beat anyone

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

Consistently average Partridge !

You are right Veedubs, 10 or 11 he kicked.

That was another example of how good he was. The forward line was a barren wasteland that night. There was never anyone there and we never looked capable of kicking goals.

But somehow he plucked out 10



And maybe he has been our most consistent forward
I just always went to the footy for the Ablett show. And always felt let down when he only kicked 4.

wow you must have been very dissapointed in Gary Ablett juniors games from 2007 to 2010 and you think that maybe he was our most consistent forward? Who you think gets that nod....Doug Wade?

 

[you pick one]

I do think the perception of Gary being a very erratic and inconsistent waste of talent is very wrong

[quote=bobbycatsfanme;20035782]. Also many myths about how he wasn't the best trainer, I know for a fact that he kept himself in better shape than any other player on our list at the time and he had strict training regiments that were a large reason for his success in the off-season's. I know as human beings we hate to be wrong in any argument but I do admit he could go through games seemingly lazy-like but he'd still produce something in everysingle game let alone having to kick 4+ every other match. And it's even more mind boggling to think what his final goals tally would have been had Geelong started him at full forward from say year 1987 as the designated spear head because if his 4 years as the full forward were anything to go by then 1300 goals would have been a very real possibility. And I reckon it would be hard to pass on Gazza as being the most consistent contested mark in AFL/VFL history. I heard Royce Hart was never beaten in the air but geez could Gazza beat anyone[/quote]

Where on earth did you get that from,not even I could stretch anything I have read in this thread that far.

 

[candiehappy]

You are, we all probably are.

There was a game against Crows in Adelaide, the day Blight got us to form a guard of honour for the Crows, exact details sketchy, we were beaten easily, Ablett got 9 or 10 out of 12 or so goals, NO BROWNLOW votes. I'm sure someone will correct me, but the gist is the expectation of him to do something was always there, and if he wasn't spectacular, he was underappreciated.

Back to the consistency thing, he was the most consistent forward I can recall we've ever had

my son was born in 1985. Grew up thinking that if a full forward kicked less than 10 he'd had a crap day!

 

[Football Invective]

As good as 1989 was for Geelong, how abysmally bad was 1990?

Some have argued that 1989 generated a sense of complacency and false sense of superiority and (notwishstanding injuries) these chickens came home to roost in 1990.

Discuss.

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

[[/b]quote=bobbycatsfanme;20035782]. Also many myths about how he wasn't the best trainer, I know for a fact that he kept himself in better shape than any other player on our list at the time and he had strict training regiments that were a large reason for his success in the off-season's. I know as human beings we hate to be wrong in any argument but I do admit he could go through games seemingly lazy-like but he'd still produce something in everysingle game let alone having to kick 4+ every other match. And it's even more mind boggling to think what his final goals tally would have been had Geelong started him at full forward from say year 1987 as the designated spear head because if his 4 years as the full forward were anything to go by then 1300 goals would have been a very real possibility. And I reckon it would be hard to pass on Gazza as being the most consistent contested mark in AFL/VFL history. I heard Royce Hart was never beaten in the air but geez could Gazza beat anyone

Where on earth did you get that from,not even I could stretch anything I have read in this thread that far.[/quote]



what part are you talking about pick?
I am not referring to using this website for relevant information on Gary, I have made my remark from reading his biographies and also the newspaper articles that my father kept during the late 80's early 90's. Plus I have now over 750GB of Geelong highlights dated in order from games and years 84 to 96. The guy was actually on verge of going to jail if he didn't stop his off field behavour and if was through christianity that he changed his lifestyle and gave up the grog and put the steps into place in bettering himself as a person and an athlete

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

As good as 1989 was for Geelong, how abysmally bad was 1990?

Some have argued that 1989 generated a sense of complacency and false sense of superiority and (notwishstanding injuries) these chickens came home to roost in 1990.

Discuss.

gotta agree with that, and just showed how great the Hawks actually were for a decade of football because they ended up getting their again in 91 and am sure they played finals in 1990. As great as we were from 2007 to 2010 I still think the Hawks are the greatest side of all-time and would have beaten the best Lions team of the 2000's. I mean they had not one but a couple of challengers to their throne during the 80's where as Brisbane were never really challenged at any point except for playing a Collingwood side that would totally be embarrased by today's Mapgie outfit. We did it tough because we had to beat the Saints who were at their best and the Magpies were pushing us too in 2008 and 2009 but obviously got the better of us last season finally

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

the Hawks of 83 against the 2001 Lions would have been something to witness. Voss going in hard against Matthews and Dermott against the Scott brothers

 

[you pick one]

I do think the perception of Gary being a very erratic and inconsistent waste of talent is very wrong. Also many myths about how he wasn't the best trainer, I know for a fact that he kept himself in better shape than any other player on our list at the time and he had strict training regiments that were a large reason for his success in the off-season's. I know as human beings we hate to be wrong in any argument but I do admit he could go through games seemingly lazy-like but he'd still produce something in everysingle game let alone having to kick 4+ every other match. And it's even more mind boggling to think what his final goals tally would have been had Geelong started him at full forward from say year 1987 as the designated spear head because if his 4 years as the full forward were anything to go by then 1300 goals would have been a very real possibility. And I reckon it would be hard to pass on Gazza as being the most consistent contested mark in AFL/VFL history. I heard Royce Hart was never beaten in the air but geez could Gazza beat anyone

I thought you were inferring some one in this thread was suggesting Garry was erratic and inconsistent in his football.

 

[David the Cat]

I don't care about statistics..

Gary Ablett Snr was simply the best individual player I have seen in close to 50 years of watching the game. And I have seen some good ones. People used to go to Geelong games just to watch Gary Ablett play. He was simply a gifted athlete and a sensational player capable of feats of such brilliance it took your breath away.

My father, who followed the game for nigh on 80 years claimed only John Coleman had the same aura about him. I wish I had seen that guy play.

Alan Jeans ( a great coach ) once said Geelong would never win a premiership with Gary Ablett Snr in the team and he was proved right. Trouble is, we would never have had a chance to win one without him. Overall, in those years we just weren't good enough.

 

[Vdubs]

I don't care about statistics..

Gary Ablett Snr was simply the best individual player I have seen in close to 50 years of watching the game. And I have seen some good ones. People used to go to Geelong games just to watch Gary Ablett play. He was simply a gifted athlete and a sensational player capable of feats of such brilliance it took your breath away.

My father, who followed the game for nigh on 80 years claimed only John Coleman had the same aura about him. I wish I had seen that guy play.

Alan Jeans ( a great coach ) once said Geelong would never win a premiership with Gary Ablett Snr in the team and he was proved right. Trouble is, we would never have had a chance to win one without him. Overall, in those years we just weren't good enough.

Total crap, if anyone disagrees with that.

Totally agree. Several Bomber SENIOR supporters have said exactly that about Ablett and Coleman. How many people go to games just to see an individual? Never heard it said about Carey, Matthews etc. And they were superb players.

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

well said David

I did use to go to the Friday night games just watch Carey play though especially when he was in supreme form around 1997 and 1998 through our school trips every fortnight but yeh as good as what he was he just wasn't as spectacular, couldn't go as high in the air when marking and didn't have the same speed to bust open a pack and allow the smaller forwards to get the crumbs but he did win a flag which is what puts him above Gary unfortunately. I guess in another sport such as the NBA had Lebron James commited to the Cavs and played out his days with them, he too may have gone down as one of if not the best basketball player ever to never have won a championship.

Too bad Gazza didn't take the $300,000+ offer from Collingwood in the mid 80's because he'd have at least one premiership medal from 1990

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

Daicos and Ablett in the same forward line holy shit!