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Don't forget David Spriggs, Ezra Bray and Daniel Foster
Repeating the Rough, Buddy, Lewis Draft
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Don't forget David Spriggs, Ezra Bray and Daniel Foster
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Its why, when people talk about premiership windows, or clocks, I like to think of it as tidal.
Tidal ranges are caused by combined factors, usually the daily rang causes by the earths rotation compared to the moon, and a longer component caused by the moons movement around the earth.
If a club scores a high point in a couple of drafts about 3-4 years apart, there's a cumulation which takes the overall list strength up, but when you draft more than average number of players, you also retire a large amount so theres a weakening elsewhere.
What im saying is theres not one rebuid as we know it, but up to three mini rebuilds in an average players career span. the trick to rebuilding is not needing to dive so low, but the ten-twelve year cycle will get you in the end
Tidal ranges are caused by combined factors, usually the daily rang causes by the earths rotation compared to the moon, and a longer component caused by the moons movement around the earth.
If a club scores a high point in a couple of drafts about 3-4 years apart, there's a cumulation which takes the overall list strength up, but when you draft more than average number of players, you also retire a large amount so theres a weakening elsewhere.
What im saying is theres not one rebuid as we know it, but up to three mini rebuilds in an average players career span. the trick to rebuilding is not needing to dive so low, but the ten-twelve year cycle will get you in the end
SSwans2011
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Docherty, Everitt and Jaksch have Premiership potential imo.
Walker and Tuohy not too far off it either.
Casboult if he keeps improving may get there too.
Walker and Tuohy not too far off it either.
Casboult if he keeps improving may get there too.
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True, but if you look at who was between Joel Corey and David Spriggs there was Darren Glass and Luke McPharlin and the Cats already had Scarlett and Harley and if you look between Spriggs and Foster then maybe Brad Green. Chapman at 31, Ling at 38 and Enright at 47 were easily the best players in the draft after Corey at 8 that they could have picked up. There were one or two others, but they were taken f/s so Geelong didn't have a shot at them.
The only player I would say was better than Corey, Chapman, Ling and Enright and that Geelong could definitely used was Pavlich but he was gone before Geelong had a pick. Ryan O'Keefe at 56 was probably the only other out and out gun in the draft along with that Cat trifecta after the Spriggs pick.
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Clearly geelong and hawks recently showed how this can work if all goes well. And how quickly, Clarko getting a premiership in his fourth year, the first without a PP, although has been said, the hawks wasted pps in 05 and 06
Not sure there is any point debating the finer points between the hawks and the cats. Both teams are now turning the efforts to showing how you can keep successful without going so far down the ladder
Not sure there is any point debating the finer points between the hawks and the cats. Both teams are now turning the efforts to showing how you can keep successful without going so far down the ladder
HBF
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Sure was. That was some haul in 2001 by the cats.
I would have thought that the Rough, Buddy, Lewis draft was an inferior repeat of the Ablett, Bartel, Johnson, Kelly draft.
Definitely nailed it, but I think the difference is that 2001 ... there was a stupid amount of talent going around and a lot of clubs got great value for their picks
2004 ... we literally made off like bandits, picking the best 3 (or damn close to it, I can't be bothered arguing) from a really average crop
Not discounting Geelong 2001 at all, but I think contextually, the 2004 draft is a little more impressive.
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AS a general rule I believe that draft reviews are useless until the players have at least 3 years in them. At this stage you can see how key position players are going.
Whilst Melbourne look to of done well out of the 2014 draft, remember Richard Tambling looked alright in 2005 too.
2013 for Brisbane is looking alright at this stage but give it another year and we'll be able to judge much better.
Whilst Melbourne look to of done well out of the 2014 draft, remember Richard Tambling looked alright in 2005 too.
2013 for Brisbane is looking alright at this stage but give it another year and we'll be able to judge much better.
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I have my doubts that any of these individuals will get a chance to exhibit that at Carlton.
SSwans2011
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Oh, I agree with that. I was responding to the OP's picture.
MotleyLemon
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And you only had a start of first round priority pick! Look where you got the talent mate, Cats in 01 is far more impressive.
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Hodgey was a PP if I'm reading your last sentence in the first paragraph right. Or maybe I'm not
Grumblebum
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Hodgey was a PP if I'm reading your last sentence in the first paragraph right. Or maybe I'm not
And the mythology continues. Hodge was a PP that Hawthorn traded Trent Croad to Fremantle for. Can we stop revising history to suit personal bias.
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No bias, just forgot it was traded for. Have a bex and lie down.
Whatever makes you sleep at night mate
MotleyLemon
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Let's have a look at what you've said again.
It's pretty easy to "make off like bandits" with picks 2,5, and 7...
Cats didn't have a pick until 8 in 2001
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Ablett, Bartel, Kelly and Steve Johnson in one draft is the greatest get. You won't find anyone doing better than that.
MotleyLemon
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Milera + Doedee say hi.
Richmond's premiership wasn't built in a single super draft like this. We did, though, have a bloody good Rookie draft in 2014, with two premiership players in Lambert and Castagna and two others (Short and Soldo) who are on our list and played games this year. Honourable mention also to the 2007 draft which landed us Cotchin and Rance. Nitpickers will say that we should have taken Dangerfield in that draft, but I wouldn't swap either ouyr Captain or Rance for him - especially as we were going to get Dusty anyway.
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We done very well in our draft sanction year with Merrett and Fantasia. 2016 draft is the one I'm keen to watch develop, McGrath, Ridley, Begley, Mutch and Clarke.
But those Geelong hauls are simply outstanding.
But those Geelong hauls are simply outstanding.
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According to afl.com. Hawks and Cats two each in the top 5
Still maintain hawks got the most value available for pick 1
Even Ablett who's rated higher buggered off for his prime years Ablett wasnt available for hawks
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