Return of the jedi

[Kingsley_Hunter]

that was a very dissapointing ending to one of the greatest trilogies ever.

i mean the bad guys got defeated by furballs?

that was weird, dont ya think?

 

[BigKev]

Originally posted by Kingsley_Hunter
that was a very dissapointing ending to one of the greatest trilogies ever.

i mean the bad guys got defeated by furballs?

that was weird, dont ya think?

No I don't think so at all. What is wrong with being defeated by a furball????

BigKev

 

[Dippers Donuts]

Yeah, stupid film.

Those ewoks looked liked short people in cheap costumes, which is what they were I suppose...

They would drop a small rock on a storm troopers helmet and knock him out? WTF! What a crock, shoot the little bastards!!

I did like Yoda though, cute little fella.

Despite the digital re-touching, very cheap looking special effects - those tanks on legs things looked very ordinary.

Mark Hamill must be one of the worst actors ever, big mistake in casting him in the first place as they were stuck with him for the entire series.

Lucas should have stopped after the first Star Wars, which was a classic.

5 and a half out of ten for Jedi.

 

[Kingsley_Hunter]

Re: Re: Return of the jedi

Originally posted by BigKev


No I don't think so at all. What is wrong with being defeated by a furball????

BigKev

dont you think its a bit weird that the advanced technology (storm troopers) got defeated by rocks?

seems weird.

 

[bunsen burner]

Yep, the Star Wars movies get worse as they go. Return of the Jedi was dodgy at best, and the Phantom Menace was an absolute shocker. I'm not very optimistic about the next two.

 

[Thrawn]

You are missing a few facts...

Originally posted by Kingsley_Hunter


dont you think its a bit weird that the advanced technology (storm troopers) got defeated by rocks?

seems weird.

Whenever you watch Sci-Fi films, you have to suspend disbelief. Those rocks were the size of Ewok heard (which look bigger than human heads). Now, try and pick up a boulder that is slightly bigger than your head. Can't do it? Guess that must mean they're strong little critters then.

However, even if you have a helmut on, a boulder bigger than your head, if dropped on you, can cause damage. And don't tell me you can be left standing when something like that hits you. But... the stormies were actually winning the battle, but when Chewbacca hijacked that AT-ST, the battle swung against the Imperials. You also have forgotten that this was a surprise attack, and the poor stormtroopers were outnumbered 50-1.

Hey... but the good guys always win, remember. What a shame too! ROTJ isn't as good as A New Hope or Empire Strikes Back, but it beats The Phantom Meance IMO. But I loved the spacebattle!

 

[bunsen burner]

Those ewoks seemed to organise that surpise attack awfully quickly. You know, getting all those catapults and logs in place.

It was all a bit too cutesy for my liking. The movie is pretty good up until the ewoks come into play. And what about that stupid blue elephant looking thing in Jabb's cave? He would've looked more in place on Rainbow or the Banana Splits.

 

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by Kingsley_Hunter


i mean the bad guys got defeated by furballs?

This isn't another Peter Filandia thread is it ?

 

[SeinDude]

Re: Re: Return of the jedi

Originally posted by JUBJUB
This isn't another Peter Filandia thread is it ?

JubJub

As they say on NOVA, "Awww, don't go there!!"

Cheers!!
SeinDude

 

[jod23]

It was a bit weird i suppose but the Stormtroopers were outnumbered by 50 or even 100 to 1. If there 10 or 12 dwarfs if you like throwing rocks at you and smacking you over the head with sticks....well your gonna get beat. Still you would think that a trained guard and only the finest were stormtroopers could fend odd small furry creatures.

But i just look at the Ewok battle as the fun part of the end, the serious and important stuff is happening on the deathstar and in the space battle. Love the final moments with Luke, the Emperor and Darth Vader.

 

[TigerTank]

Originally posted by jod23
It was a bit weird i suppose but the Stormtroopers were outnumbered by 50 or even 100 to 1. If there 10 or 12 dwarfs if you like throwing rocks at you and smacking you over the head with sticks....well your gonna get beat. Still you would think that a trained guard and only the finest were stormtroopers could fend odd small furry creatures.

But i just look at the Ewok battle as the fun part of the end, the serious and important stuff is happening on the deathstar and in the space battle. Love the final moments with Luke, the Emperor and Darth Vader.

Usually "an entire legion" would have around 10,000 troops or more by the Roman definition, although some (such as the 9th in Britain) had less than that.

I counted about 50 dispirited regulars - if that was "an entire legion of my finest troops", the Emperor would have been lucky to control Kangaroo Island, let alone the entire galaxy.

One of the weaknesses of the Star Wars saga is that the might of the Empire was devalued with each successive film. From Kenobi's "only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise" of A New Beginning, the Imperial troops turn into the bumbling incompetents of Return of the Jedi.

Similarly, the Imperial Cruisers went from tearing the rebel fleet to pieces in Empire Strikes Back (those that weren't temporarily disabled by Ion cannon), to big floating uselesses (is Corey McKernan an Imperial Star Destroyer?) in Return of the Jedi.

Surely the Death Star and the Emperor could have been destroyed without trivialising the Imperial forces that were supposed to be this overpowering force the rebels were up against?

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by TigerTank


Usually "an entire legion" would have around 10,000 troops or more by the Roman definition, although some (such as the 9th in Britain) had less than that.

I counted about 50 dispirited regulars - if that was "an entire legion of my finest troops", the Emperor would have been lucky to control Kangaroo Island, let alone the entire galaxy.

One of the weaknesses of the Star Wars saga is that the might of the Empire was devalued with each successive film. From Kenobi's "only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise" of A New Beginning, the Imperial troops turn into the bumbling incompetents of Return of the Jedi.

Similarly, the Imperial Cruisers went from tearing the rebel fleet to pieces in Empire Strikes Back (those that weren't temporarily disabled by Ion cannon), to big floating uselesses (is Corey McKernan an Imperial Star Destroyer?) in Return of the Jedi.

Surely the Death Star and the Emperor could have been destroyed without trivialising the Imperial forces that were supposed to be this overpowering force the rebels were up against?

You make a good point about Stormtroopers...in the beginning they were feared but by the end of the original trilogy they were more like bumbling idiots. Disappointing.

 

[Mooster7]

I don't know why the freakin' stormtroopers wore armor to begin with. It is the old saga of armor vs armor penetration technology. Armor is restrictive and substantially decreases the mobility of your troops. The ONLY reason to wear armor is for protection against contemporary offensive weapons.

I think we can see from all three films that any weapon be it a blaster, lightsaber or a f#ckin' Ewok with a stick can defeat stormtrooper armor.

Another downside is visibility. When Luke and Solo don imperial armor to infiltrate the Death Star detention Luke says, "I can't see a thing in this helmet." I believe him. I've fired an M-16 while wearing a gas mask, and it is hard to hit anything outside of 70 meters or so. Another reason I believe him? Stormtroopers can't hit crap.

Placing his soldiers in non-functional armor and vision-restricting helmets I believe was an enormous factor in the downfall of the emporer. Schmuck. Had he used me as a tactical/strategic advisor rather than trusting in the obviously defunct "dark side", I could have won him the galaxy conventionally. Peace,

Mooster

 

[Thrawn]

Reply 1

I counted about 50 dispirited regulars - if that was "an entire legion of my finest troops", the Emperor would have been lucky to control Kangaroo Island, let alone the entire galaxy.

You must remember that Palpatine was toying with Luke, and trying to drain his confidence. The Emperor used the line of legion because he wanted to wash away what faith Luke had in his friends, and thus, sedeucing him to no hope, the dark side.

One of the weaknesses of the Star Wars saga is that the might of the Empire was devalued with each successive film. From Kenobi's "only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise" of A New Beginning, the Imperial troops turn into the bumbling incompetents of Return of the Jedi.

Fully agree with you there. But after ROTJ, the novels come inot play, and continue the story from then on. Stormtroopers in the books are much more efficient. Well... what'd you expect? The bad guys always lose in these sort of circumstances.

Similarly, the Imperial Cruisers went from tearing the rebel fleet to pieces in Empire Strikes Back (those that weren't temporarily disabled by Ion cannon), to big floating uselesses (is Corey McKernan an Imperial Star Destroyer?) in Return of the Jedi.

LOL - A McKernan Class Star Destroyer!

Surely the Death Star and the Emperor could have been destroyed without trivialising the Imperial forces that were supposed to be this overpowering force the rebels were up against?

Palpatine payed for his arrogance in the end. Overconfidence is a weakness in the dark side of the force...

 

[Thrawn]

Reply 2

I don't know why the freakin' stormtroopers wore armor to begin with. It is the old saga of armor vs armor penetration technology. Armor is restrictive and substantially decreases the mobility of your troops. The ONLY reason to wear armor is for protection against contemporary offensive weapons.

The Stormtroopers didn't know that Ewoks were going to ambush them, and generally were only prepared for the Rebels inside the fortress. But you're right, the armor can be a little iffy at times.

Another downside is visibility. When Luke and Solo don imperial armor to infiltrate the Death Star detention Luke says, "I can't see a thing in this helmet." I believe him. I've fired an M-16 while wearing a gas mask, and it is hard to hit anything outside of 70 meters or so. Another reason I believe him? Stormtroopers can't hit crap.

Not really. When Luke stated "I can't see a thing in his helmet"... it was the actual size of the helmet that contributed to his poor eyesight, not the visor itself. Luke was a young adult back then, and that helmet came from a fully grown man, with a bigger head. Han Solo had no such complaints of visibility, did he?

Placing his soldiers in non-functional armor and vision-restricting helmets I believe was an enormous factor in the downfall of the emporer. Schmuck. Had he used me as a tactical/strategic advisor rather than trusting in the obviously defunct "dark side", I could have won him the galaxy conventionally.

You can't really blame the stormies for the Emporer's downfall. You can blame the bloddy darn Ewoks and his arrogance for that!

 

[Dan26]

I don't particulary like Return of the Jedi. The best part is the climactic duel between Vade, Luke and Palpatine. The rest of the movie is a disappointment. Han Solo is turned into a bumbling fool.

Can't wait for Attack of the Clones. I've read about 10 reviews so far, and all are saying that nothing will come close to matching it this summer (in the USA.) Some are saying it is better than Empire Strikes Back which I find hard to believe. Hope it's true, though.

 

[topdon]

Don't knock Ewoks!!