Rich - Poor when it counts

[EagleMan87]

Wonna, which Melbourne players, if any, do you think had a better year than Daniel Rich?

Well I'm pretty sure I'll just get more ignorant blather in response, but, yeah, Sylvia, Davey, Frawley, Moloney and Jones (and Morton, to a fair degree) are some I'd name as having had very good seasons, out of those who were available for most of the year.

Are you honestly saying Morton was better than Rich this year?

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

So even by your own admission (at lets be honest, you aren't exactly known for being impartial) Rich has outperformed all bar 6 of your entire playing list in his first year.

Well, no, that's not what I said at all, but nice little bit of spin there

Do you want me to include players who weren't available for as much of the season? Because I've only referred to some of those who were available for most of the year, so far...

 

[Grimreepah]

Well, no, that's not what I said at all, but nice little bit of spin there

That was the question I asked. The only spin is coming from you pulling out all stops to avoid answering the question.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Are you honestly saying Morton was better than Rich this year?

Would be somewhat unclear, although I would suggest there are at least a number of corresponding fixtures in which Morton did substantially better - such as his efforts against Geelong and his shutdown job on Adam Goodes. And there are definitely a fair number of other examples I could mention.

 

[WORMS_BROTHER]

Would be somewhat unclear, although I would suggest there are at least a number of corresponding fixtures in which Morton did substantially better - such as his efforts against Geelong and his shutdown job on Adam Goodes. And there are definitely a fair number of other examples I could mention.

Then name some you simpleton.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

That was the question I asked. The only spin is coming from you pulling out all stops to avoid answering the question.

Erm... Grim, I know you're proving to be pretty adept at the old manoeuvrings here, but trying to claim I'm avoiding answering the question over an hour after I clearly began addressing said question is a bit much...

 

[Grimreepah]

Erm... Grim, I know you're proving to be pretty adept at the old manoeuvrings here, but trying to claim I'm avoiding answering the question over an hour after I clearly began addressing said question is a bit much...

The last post you denied answering the question, now you are saying you did. Make up your mind.

Would you like to have another go?

 

[EagleMan87]

Would be somewhat unclear, although I would suggest there are at least a number of corresponding fixtures in which Morton did substantially better - such as his efforts against Geelong and his shutdown job on Adam Goodes. And there are definitely a fair number of other examples I could mention.

And a Brisbane supporter could no doubt name 5 times that many games where Rich influenced a game as much if not more than that.

So, do you really think that Morton had a better year than Rich?

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

I think it'd be arrogant to suggest that I know enough about Rich on the basis of the few games I've seen him in to make any clear judgement about him relative to other players.

However, I'd say it's certainly not a clear-cut comparison between him and Cale Morton, one way or the other. The statistical analysis shows it to be a pretty close comparison in many ways, on the face of it, although I haven't gone too deeply into that yet.

I would say, however, that if Jack Grimes had not been sidelined through injury so much during the first half of this year, that comparison with Rich would stun a lot of people.

 

[stabler]

Give Rich a break, the kid has chupa-chups for arms.

 

[Grimreepah]

I think it'd be arrogant to suggest that I know enough about Rich on the basis of the few games I've seen him in to make any clear judgement about him relative to other players.

I put it to you that you don't want to answer the question because you don't like the answer.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Give Rich a break, the kid has chupa-chups for arms.

Old material. You'll make Wonnas angry.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

I put it to you that you don't want to answer the question because you don't like the answer.

Just checking, are we still in "serious discussion" mode, or back to normal now

 

[Grimreepah]

Just checking, are we still in "serious discussion" mode, or back to normal now

I'm still trying to get a straight answer out of you, Wonna, so I'm guessing the latter.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Old material. You'll make Wonnas angry.

But its still so so good. I've seen the Joke Watts vids in god knows how many threads...

So in keeping:

You guys might want to have a look at this fella in the PSD? Could fill a spot when Black moves on?

 

[Hollow Knight]

You guys might want to have a look at this fella in the PSD? Could fill a spot when Black moves on?

Nah. Pacy midfielders are our priority this post-season. We need a Cale Morton type, but one that runs towards the contest, rather than away from it.

Any types like that in the draft?

For the record, the Daniel Rich has short arms thing is pretty funny, but it had a lot more sting during the draft period when their was some shred of doubt lingering over his head. It kind of lost its effect after he stepped into AFL footy as if it was just like riding a tricycle and left the entire 2008 draft class in his wake.

 

[Grandmaster_B]

Can any Brisbane supporters tell me where Richs improvement will come from?

Im afraid its all downhill from here for the fat little butterball.

 

[Grimreepah]

Can any Brisbane supporters tell me where Richs improvement will come from?

Endurance.

 

[The Boy From Brasil]

Can any Brisbane supporters tell me where Richs improvement will come from?

Extra fitness, better clearance skills and technique in close, better ability to win his own ball, experience in learning to shake a tag.

Theres heaps of improvement left in him. I tend to think that the general view that he doesn't have any improvement is a fallacy.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Maybe so, but there are a lot of common fallacies floating around at present it seems - especially about our players though, it would seem.

For instance, based on one wildly misrepresentative YouTube clip about Morton, we've seen the myth about him somehow being afraid of a contest being propagated over and over and over for months now...

 

[Hollow Knight]

Endurance.

Yup... plus...

- learning to read the play
- learning techniques to deal with taggers
- learning the Brisbane gameplan
- the general improvement that just comes with further experience at AFL level.
- consistency

The real question is... what is it about other players that make people think that Rich has limited upside. Being underdeveloped doesn't necessarily = upside, otherwise we'd be drafting toddlers.

Rich has shown that he has the ability to play 30+ disposal games. The general consensus is that 30 disposals for Rich is going to break a game open. He has fluctuated between 12 disposal games and 30+ disposal games and averages around 18. Like most young players, there is a considerable gulf between his best and his worst. Yet for some reason he will struggle to become more consistent because why??? Because he's already physically developed? LMAO.

The argument that he has no upside is the product of nothing more than wishful thinking and groupthink.

Smell the fear.

 

[The Boy From Brasil]

Maybe so, but there are a lot of common fallacies floating around at present it seems - especially about our players though, it would seem.

For instance, based on one wildly misrepresentative YouTube clip about Morton, we've seen the myth about him somehow being afraid of a contest being propagated over and over and over for months now...

Haha, why would you worry about what other supporters think about your players though?

 

[stabler]

Yup... plus...

- learning to read the play
- learning techniques to deal with taggers
- learning the Brisbane gameplan
- the general improvement that just comes with further experience at AFL level.
- consistency

The real question is... what is it about other players that make people think that Rich has limited upside. Being underdeveloped doesn't necessarily = upside, otherwise we'd be drafting toddlers.

Rich has shown that he has the ability to play 30+ disposal games. The general consensus is that 30 disposals for Rich is going to break a game open. He has fluctuated between 12 disposal games and 30+ disposal games and averages around 18.

So the argument that he has no upside is the product of nothing more than wishful thinking and groupthink.

Smell the fear.

smells like cabbage.

 

[EagleMan87]

Maybe so, but there are a lot of common fallacies floating around at present it seems - especially about our players though, it would seem.

For instance, based on one wildly misrepresentative YouTube clip about Morton, we've seen the myth about him somehow being afraid of a contest being propagated over and over and over for months now...

Almost as good as the one the Naitanui can't kick, that you yourself are guilty of 'propagating'...

 

[Hollow Knight]

For instance, based on one wildly misrepresentative YouTube clip about Morton, we've seen the myth about him somehow being afraid of a contest being propagated over and over and over for months now...

Got a mighty chuckle at Crown Palladium last night.