Won't find any whining from me, the best side won this year. That isn't going to stop the banter though
Richmond and Collingwood, the winners of the AFL's expansion drafts
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Pendles and Mayne are the only two on that 30+ list who were in our top 22 by default in the Prelim. No reason why Collingwood can’t continue to challenge for another 2-3 years before the rebuild is required.
Our B&F top 5 last night included Grundy (25), Crisp (26), Treloar (27), Maynard (23) and Pendles.
In contrast, Richmond might be closer to the stage of needing to rebuild when you see -
31: Houli, Edwards, Reiwoldt
30: Rance
29: Cotchin, Astbury
28: Martin, Grimes
Outside Prestia and Lynch, the above group would be your best players.
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If we didn’t have those guys, we’d have Heath Shaw (Adams), pick 7 in ‘15 and pick 8 in ‘16 (Treloar) as well as pick 25 in ‘17 (WHE) so I’d hardly include Collingwood in this argument. We gave up a fair share to receive those players in trades.
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obviously all clubs at the top rely on their older players somewhat outside of GWS who have been artificially created to have a number of guns in the mids 20s range now, so are an exception. I agree with you somewhat but generally the Richmond list is in a healthy position i think. the b and f in yet another premiership season shows a pretty decent spread for mine:
2019 Jack Dyer Medal
1st Dion Prestia, 91 votes
2nd Shane Edwards, 79 votes
3rd Dylan Grimes, 75 votes
4th Nick Vlastuin, 70 votes
5th Tom Lynch, 69 votes
6th Dustin Martin, 67 votes
7th Bachar Houli, 64 votes
8th Kane Lambert, 63 votes
9th David Astbury, 55 votes
Equal 10th Jason Castagna, 47 votes
Equal 10th Daniel Rioli, 47 votes
Like the Pies fan says above 28 isnt the end of the world yet. Grimes, Martin, Astbury etc. might have decent footy left in them who knows
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Absolutely another 2 years at least from the Tigers before it passes 12 O’clock.
Mind you there are names like Stack, Pickett and a few youngsters who are unknown variables that could/should very easily take over the mantle of those top tiered players within the next 12 months anyway.
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One problem is the pies lost to a side that almost lost the grand final by 100 points. The previous years was arguable a better team the wce/pies game included:
goldsack 31
pendelbury 30
varcose 30
greenwood 29
mayne 29
howe 28
cox 27
sidebottom 27
(ages at time of game) - the pies could well continue to challenge for the next couple years but Collingwood, Geelong, Hawthorn (and richmond i guess) have funny looking list demographics and itll be interesting to see how it unfolds.
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Roughead is a real upgrade as a KPD on Goldsack and finished in the top 10 of our B&F last night.
You’ve mentioned Varcoe a couple of times, but he is nothing but depth now for Collingwood. He didn’t play in September at all for us, despite losing Greenwood and JDG.
Greenwood was playing Aish’s role whilst he was out injured. Aish is just 23.
Mayne is a role player, and not important from a skills perspective. We have anyone of Quaynor, Sier and Daicos to come in and play his role, all of which are under 23-24.
Howe still has another 2-3 years of good football left in him, and someone similar who missed majority of the season is Langdon, 25, who has to come back into our defence. He was one of the best players in last year’s final series.
I wouldn’t be pressing reset just yet because of anyone 27 or turning 27 either so won’t go into detail about the others you mentioned.
Out of curiosity, who are the replacements for the ones I mentioned?
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To start with one, I guess its been proven Rance can be replaced, now.
I would not have thought that six months ago.
Gold Coast effectively sold Prestia to Richmond for what they paid for him, equivalent value of about pick 9, but to be used in the 2016 draft. Lynch came to Richmond via free agency on $1m average per season, another first round pick from that era, Ellis, goes back from Tigers to GCS on under $600k per season, allowing space in their cap to bring in another strong player. The transactions are not without cost to Richmond nor without benefit to the Suns.
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You are forgetting Marlion Pickett.
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Calling him amongst your best players after 1 game?
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almost won the norm smith so yeah
collingwood are the oldest list in the afl and lean big time on the dads army blokes to remain competitive
you left out Vlastuin too
2019 Jack Dyer Medal [premiership season]
1st Dion Prestia, 91 votes
2nd Shane Edwards, 79 votes
3rd Dylan Grimes, 75 votes
4th Nick Vlastuin, 70 votes
5th Tom Lynch, 69 votes
grimes isnt ancient either and has missed a lot of footy due to injury - might have a few years left in him. He is a young 28.
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He has star qualities, after a full preseason I reckon he will be in the top 10 players at the club.
Star qualities and a premiership medal... two things that Treloar doesn't have.
He looks like he can play. But you couldn't possibly make that statement yet, and it's a pretty stupid one to make.
Yes he played a great GF, but it was a training run, we would have won by 10 goals+ regardless of who you replaced Pickett with that day.
I don't think he'll be in our best 10 necessarily, but he potentially could for a couple of seasons. Way too early to call it now though.
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Mate there could have been half a dozen players who couldn't get a game that could've almost won the Norm Smith. There was no pressure at all, sure he looked good and was a good pick up but lets wait and see how he goes next season.
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if i recall correctly richmond were losing prior to pickett entering the field of play, or winning only just
he is a special cat and i think there is a good chance of him being regarded as one of richmons better players sooner rather than later. - he only played two thirds of the game and had brilliant impact and stats.
hasnt had an afl preseason yet...
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Amazed no ones said they didnt have any teeth to pay through
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So true, Compare Richmond supporters to West Coast supporters after their flags. And i support the team that the Eagles rolled! I guess theyre letting out some anger after 37 years of coping s**t. Kinda like the school nerd that becomes the shopping centre security gaurd with a segway.
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Hawks benefited most by the introduction of GC and GWS. Top of the table team in their prime - no other team could get access to any great talent for a couple of years, introduction of free agency helped the hawks top up their great side (yes i know they lost buddy, but it showed he wasnt that big a loss in the great scheme of things)
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Haven’t we been doing that for years? FMD we even involved Brisbane in it.
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My views exactly. Well said.
Back to the OP - let's not forget that trades can go both ways.
In the 9 seasons that GWS have been in the comp, they have secured from other clubs:
Deledio - No 1 draft pick
Griffen - No 3 draft pick
Davis - No 10 draft pick
Palmer - No 7 draft pick
Chad Cornes - No 9 draft pick
Luke Power - No 5 draft pick (OK - he was getting his retirement payout)
Oh - and Callan Ward, who was amongst the best young players in the country at the time.
Gold Coast managed to trade for the best player in the comp back in 2011.
The expansion clubs can, and did, trade for players as much as anyone.
As for
"2. Gold Coast and to a lesser extent GWS, and the lack of player interest in sticking around at those clubs
3. Endorsements/media income in Victoria, which makes the salary cap a bit of a farce"
Maybe the AFL should have put the cubs somewhere else. Gee, if only there was another state other than Vic, Sa and WA that had a great football culture and history, that would have plenty of potential for off-field endorsements. That could have been an attractive proposition for young players. But, of course, the AFL as self-appopinted custodian of our game, would never ignore an important part of our game's heritage, just to create a couple of instant franchises for the TV networks.
In the 9 seasons that GWS have been in the comp, they have secured from other clubs:
Deledio - No 1 draft pick
Griffen - No 3 draft pick
Davis - No 10 draft pick
Palmer - No 7 draft pick
Chad Cornes - No 9 draft pick
Luke Power - No 5 draft pick (OK - he was getting his retirement payout)
Oh - and Callan Ward, who was amongst the best young players in the country at the time.
Gold Coast managed to trade for the best player in the comp back in 2011.
The expansion clubs can, and did, trade for players as much as anyone.
As for
"2. Gold Coast and to a lesser extent GWS, and the lack of player interest in sticking around at those clubs
3. Endorsements/media income in Victoria, which makes the salary cap a bit of a farce"
Maybe the AFL should have put the cubs somewhere else. Gee, if only there was another state other than Vic, Sa and WA that had a great football culture and history, that would have plenty of potential for off-field endorsements. That could have been an attractive proposition for young players. But, of course, the AFL as self-appopinted custodian of our game, would never ignore an important part of our game's heritage, just to create a couple of instant franchises for the TV networks.
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Hopefully Richmonds 15 dual premiership players and 8 premiership players can help the transition period when its time to introduce the new wave
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