Richmond drafting - explains a lot

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Love the Drake

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Richmond has been an average football team for the best part of 35 years. Is it culture or is it down to poor recruiting? I believe it is a combination of both and have put together their draft/trade history (over the last ten years) to enhance my view. I have rated their players as a win/loss/ok; this is obviously subjective.

Makes for interesting reading and shows why they haven’t won a final in 15 years.


2006
Riewoldt (12) & Edwards (26), Jake King (rookie) - WINS
Connors – OK
Traded in Polak – LOSS
Peterson, Collins, Kingsley, Clingan - LOSS

2007
Cotchin (2) & Rance (18) – WIN
Traded in Jordan McMahon for pick 19 – LOSS
Dean Putt (51), Gourdis, Collard, Silvester, Howat – LOSS

2008
Ty Vickery (8) & Nahas - OK
Traded in Adam Thomson for pick 42 – LOSS
Post, Hislop, Cousins, Browne, Gilligan - LOSS

2009
Martin (3) & Grimes – WIN
Astbury, Griffiths (19) – OK
Dea , Taylor, Webberley, Nason, Hicks, Contin, Roberts, Nicholas Westhoff - LOSS

2010
Houli - WIN
Batchelor – OK
Conca (6), Helbig, Derickx, MacDonald, Jakobi, Miller - LOSS

2011
Brandon Ellis (15) – WIN (does go missing in big games though)
Traded in Ivan Maric for pick 37 - OK (played a couple of good seasons early but hardly played a game in two years)
Traded in Steven Morris – any trade that gets Morris to your club is a LOSS
Elton (26), Arnot, O’Hanlon, Marric, Darrou, Verrier, Turner, Wright – LOSS

2012
Vlaustin (9) - WIN
Troy Chaplin traded in, McIntosh - OK
Chris Knights traded in – LOSS
Aaron Edwards, McBean, McDonaugh, Petterd, Lonergon, Stephensson, Williams – LOSS

2013
Sam Lloyd (66), Miles (rookie) – WIN
Hampson traded in for pick 32 – OK (just)
BenLennon (12), Gordon, Banfield, Thomas – LOSS (*early days re Lennon but has shown near enough for a pick 12)

2014
Menadue (31) , Short (rookie), Lambert (Rookie) - OK
Corey Ellis (pick 12), Taylor Hunt, Drummond, Butler, MacKenzie, Soldo - LOSS (** extremely early days re Lennon but has not shown near enough for a pick 12)

2015
Rioli, Markov & Broad all look like WINS so far
Andrew Moore, Townsend, Yarran (so far) - LOSS

So roughly, over the last 10 years, Richmond has traded in 89 players.

  • 15 WINS
  • 13 OK players
  • 61 LOSSES
They get 1 in 6 right. No wonder they are in no-man’s land...
 
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Richmond has been an average football team for the best part of 35 years. Is it culture or is it down to poor recruiting? I believe it is a combination of both and have put together their draft/trade history (over the last ten years) to enhance my view. I have rated their players as a win/loss/ok; this is obviously subjective.

Makes for interesting reading and shows why they haven’t won a final in 15 years.


2006
Riewoldt (12) & Edwards (26), Jake King (rookie) - WINS
Connors – OK
Traded in Polak and #13 & 73 for their #8 & 42 picks – LOSS
Peterson, Collins, Kingsley, Clingan - LOSS

2007
Cotchin (2) & Rance (18) – WIN
Traded in Jordan McMahon for pick 19 – LOSS
Dean Putt (51), Gourdis, Collard, Silvester, Howat – LOSS

2008
Ty Vickery (8) & Nahas - OK
Traded in Adam Thomson for pick 42 – LOSS
Post, Hislop, Cousins, Browne, Gilligan - LOSS

2009
Martin (3) & Grimes – WIN
Astbury, Griffiths (19) – OK
Dea , Taylor, Webberley, Nason, Hicks, Contin, Roberts, Nicholas Westhoff - LOSS

2010
Houli - WIN
Batchelor – OK
Conca (6), Helbig, Derickx, MacDonald, Jakobi, Miller - LOSS

2011
Brandon Ellis (15) – WIN
Traded in Ivan Maric for pick 37 - OK
Traded in Steven Morris for PICK 14 – BIG LOSS
Elton (26), Arnot, O’Hanlon, Marric, Darrou, Verrier, Turner, Wright – LOSS

2012
Vlaustin (9) - WIN
Troy Chaplin traded in for second rounder, McIntosh - OK
Chris Knights traded in – LOSS
Aaron Edwards, McBean, McDonaugh, Petterd, Lonergon, Stephensson, Williams – LOSS

2013
Sam Lloyd (66), Miles (rookie) – WIN
Hampson traded in for pick 32 – OK (just)
BenLennon (12), Gordon, Banfield, Thomas – LOSS

2014
Menadue (31) , Short (rookie), Lambert (Rookie) - OK
Corey Ellis (pick 12), Taylor Hunt, Drummond, Butler, MacKenzie, Soldo - LOSS

2015
Rioli, Markov & Broad all look like WINS so far
Andrew Moore, Townsend, Yarran (so far) - LOSS

So roughly, over the last 10 years, Richmond has traded in 89 players.

  • 15 WINS
  • 13 OK players
  • 61 LOSSES
They get 1 in 6 right. No wonder they are in no-man’s land...
Sone of errors and blatant stupid opinions in this post are baffling. Firstly morris was not traded in for pick 14 it was pick 14 for morris and 15. Secondly chaplin was a free agent we didn't traded a second rounder for him. Thirdly how you can call corey ellis a second year player a loss is also baffling. What sort of person even assesses a draft from 2 years ago at this point? (Unless your carlton in which there all delisted) next how anyone could describe maric as an okay is beyond me, he was a top 5 ruck for years. Mcintoish also a win imo. Did you make this thread solely on the basis of being upset about the carlton one?
 

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Sone of errors and blatant stupid opinions in this post are baffling. Firstly morris was not traded in for pick 14 it was pick 14 for morris and 15. Secondly chaplin was a free agent we didn't traded a second rounder for him. Thirdly how you can call corey ellis a second year player a loss is also baffling. What sort of person even assesses a draft from 2 years ago at this point? (Unless your carlton in which there all delisted) next how anyone could describe maric as an okay is beyond me, he was a top 5 ruck for years. Mcintoish also a win imo. Did you make this thread solely on the basis of being upset about the carlton one?
It's all about the players Richmond have brought in to the club. Let's not get pedantic. You must admit; you've been ordinary.
 
It's all about the players Richmond have brought in to the club. Let's not get pedantic. You must admit; you've been ordinary.
You literally got 3-4 trades flat out wrong in terms of what they even consistent of. Chaplin, maric are wins. Morris for a 1 spot pick downgrade is ok. Your evaluation of our 2014 draft was truly unnecessary and is where the credibility of your post took the biggest hit.
 

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You literally got 3-4 trades flat out wrong in terms of what they even consistent of. Chaplin, maric are wins. Morris for a 1 spot pick downgrade is ok. Your evaluation of our 2014 draft was truly unnecessary and is where the credibility of your post took the biggest hit.
It's all subjective. I reckon many would agree with my assessment.
 

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Morris for pick 14?
That's factually incorrect.
We gave GWS pick 14 and in return they gave us 15 and Morris.
We picked up Brandon Ellis with 15.
Our drafting hasn't been great, although I think it has improved in recent years.
Menadue, Markov, Mcintosh, Corey Ellis, Rioli all look promising in their early stages.
This thread is a bit rich coming from a Carlton supporter though... Your draft record is equally as horrible if not worse.
 

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Before I bother writing similar stuff for other clubs ...

You say it's a been 35 years of shite (which it has) but then just list our draft picks from 2006. These are the years that formed a team that made finals three of the last four years.

Would you have started this thread twelve months ago? No. Why not? because Richmond has been one of the better performed lists over the last few years. This would suggest the drafting's been very good since 2006.

This year was crap, but you would have been better off having a go at the culture, because on the evidence over the past ten years that would have been a much safer bet.

Now let's grab another list, not Carlton's because we know how poor their drafting and trades have been, and show the stupidity of your 'system' - one where fourth rounders and rookies are considered a 'loss' if they don't make it as 100-game players.
 

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With apologies to Hawk fans - obviously a great team, hence why I chose them to prove a point.

2006
Mitch Thorp (6), Brent Renouf (24), Jarryd Morton (33),Garry Moss (56), Luke McEntee, Lukas Markovic, Stephen Gilham, Ben Kane

2007
Josh Thurgood, Brett Collins,

2008
Jordan Lisle (50), Luke Lowden (63), Hugh Sandilands, Tim B Walsh, Alex Grima, Cameron Stokes

2009
Sam Grimley (39), Jordan Williams (57), Rhan Hooper (58), Riley Milne, Haydn Kiel, Carl Peterson, Garry Moss, Will Sierakowski,

2010
Mitch Hallahan (38), Kyle Cheney, Wayde Skipper, Jarrod Kayler-Thomson, Michael Johnston,

2011
Cameron Bruce, Jordan Kelly (38), Alex Woodward (53), Jarrad Boumann, Sam Menegola, Tom Schneider, Derick Wanganeen,

Call it quits there as it's ridiculous to count kids still developing (like Lennon, C. Ellis, Townsend or Soldo).

That's 36 Unequivocal LOSSES in six years to the team that just went three-peat and top four this year. And there's more who are bigger losses than Conca, Morris, Petterd and Hunt.
 
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