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Sorry to be "negative",

but i've cracked, i've had enough,

My beloved Football team is a complete and utter rabble.

And to be honest I place all of the blame on Frawley. If it was the players fault, he has had 4 years to get rid of anyone who can't respond to his coaching or doesn't have enough skill to play AFL.

With a core of Ottens, Richo, Coughlan, Johnson, Brown, Campbell, Tivendale, Chaffey, Gaspar, Stafford we should at least be "competitive"

Look at Carlton under Pagan, they don't have half the list we do, half there list was recruited last year, but they are an organised and passionate football team with a proven gameplan which the players know and play to.

However no-one could respond to Frawleys negative, back tracking and no confidence game plans (which seems to change week by week)

He has to go now.

Once again sorry to all eternal optimists out there however enough is enough. Our club is a disgrace and I'm no longer going put up with the aplogetic excuse culture at Richmond.
 

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The writing is on the Wall. :D



He'll stay until the end of 04 but i just want to lend support to
a good cause.
 

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Originally posted by Coach Required
Oxx,

your round 9 Sack Frawley rally at punt road is gathering momentum.

Have you ordered the sausages for the sausage sizzle yet??

LOL
Negative Coach,

The "Theme Cusine" for the day will be Baked spud
with your choice of garnishings,served in a portion of
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All proceeds will go to the
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the current coo may incur.
 

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You've got my vote Corporal. We've got a good enough core group of players to be competitive and he's had more than enough time to get rid of the ones that dont respond to his 5th rate coaching tactics.

If Miller is prepared to fly to London to poach a half back like Solomon, he should be prepared to fly to the moon to poach a premiership coach like Kevin Sheedy.

Common Miller, your PR makes you sound like Graeme Richmond. Well act like Graeme Richmond. Sign Sheedy, announce he will be taking over in 2005, let one of the assistants act as coach until end of the year, and put the players on notice that their playing for the futures.

Anyone can be a football director if it means retaining a hump coach like Frawley. Good football directors get out there and sign up the best available caoch.

If we end up with another untried, unproven coach next year, and the club asks us for patience and that a premiership is 3 years away, I'll be screaming for Miller to be sacked.

Do your job. You cant live off your North reputation in Graeme Richmond's club
 

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look your gooses why do you not listen to me.it is funny how everyoneis turning. Fralwey is not a coaches ass. nice bloke though so is kellaway d and a but they would not get games anywhere elese.
we are medicore.casy has said fralwey is safe. i told you harvery was spot on to coach aftr r 8 now it will not happen. we are in the red. play the kids that is all we can do. a year of pain.
 

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Absolutely right, we play long we kick goals whthen frawley tries to play like the saints used to play when he was there, no coaching skills, might be a good bloke, but isnt a coaches a******e, get rid of him but who do we get next??????
 

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Originally posted by NQTIGER
Absolutely right, we play long we kick goals whthen frawley tries to play like the saints used to play when he was there, no coaching skills, might be a good bloke, but isnt a coaches a******e, get rid of him but who do we get next??????
My order would be Wallace, Mark Harvey, Gary McDonald

Although Harvey would be fairly even with Wallace in the picking order
 

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Re: Re: Richmond Football Club

Originally posted by peejay
What were your posts like two weeks ago - i don't have time to check.
My posts were that I wanted Frawley replaced at the end of the season.

After the collingwood game I said that it was the best game I had seen Richmond play in two years however untill they can perform consistently they can't be praised or talked up to much.

The bottom line is Frawly has coached Richmond for 4 years. Yet they are still peforming like they did on Monday. Which begs the question what positives has he instilled in the playing group. In most of our players have been going backwards.
 

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You guys are all talking about a complete changing of the list...
who would you delist or trade for whatever you could get, and why?
Good question. I think we need to a new list and a new coach fresh start like what collingwood and the saints did. We need to trade as many palyers as possible and then if we cant trade then delist.

I would keep all our young players if they show good form in the VFL.

Trade: Nicholls, Fleming, Hall, Hilton ohh i dunno its too hard to do it now. We need to look at the end of the season to see if they have improved but we do need a new list.
 

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Nicholls, Fleming, Hall, Hilton

Hall would be worth something... but you won't get anything for the rest. Why not trade a superstar and get something worthwhile for it? I've got to say, trading for Brown was foolish IMO. While the price you paid was (IMO again) Market Value... you could have had a Kane Tenace or Ryley Dunn running around for you for years to come.

Honestly - maybe you guys should trade Richardson or Gasper (if he has a good year and is of value) or someone like that. But hell, don't trade Ottens or Coughlin unless they want out. You need something to give, unlike this year where all you only just satisfied the dogs and would have had heaps of trouble getting Solomon. You've gotta give to gain...:)


And all changes start at the top.
 

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Go-Doggies, do you want a job as a recruiting manager?

Agree 100% with you - you gotta give to get something in return. Should have done with Richo. But Gasper is our backline - well he was, but is starting to get some form back. Not many good ones of value that you could get a couple of early draft picks.

Basically, we're a basket case, and until we get rid of the duds - the Pettifers, Nicholls, Fleming etc - then we can start rebuilding properly and start on a youth policy and quality trading - not old hacks from other clubs who can't make it at any other club.

Be interesting to see how Carlton go with all their reject trading they did this year. Glad i don't support them.
 

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Originally posted by froars
Go-Doggies, do you want a job as a recruiting manager?

Agree 100% with you - you gotta give to get something in return. Should have done with Richo. But Gasper is our backline - well he was, but is starting to get some form back. Not many good ones of value that you could get a couple of early draft picks.

Basically, we're a basket case, and until we get rid of the duds - the Pettifers, Nicholls, Fleming etc - then we can start rebuilding properly and start on a youth policy and quality trading - not old hacks from other clubs who can't make it at any other club.

Be interesting to see how Carlton go with all their reject trading they did this year. Glad i don't support them.
I'd love one.
No seriously, I thought Richmond was foolish in chasing Solomon and Brown as they did. Clubs should aim at being a chance for a who could have been a ten-year player for your club.
Premiership, not settling for a top eight finish at best, which was the impression I got from Richmond. You have the talent in your line-up, but not enough young guns coming through and too many people who don't pull their weight to be a real threat. Brown is a superstar player but if I was a Richmond supporter I would have prefered my team pick up a player like Kane Tenace who could have been a 10 to 12 year player for you guys.
Brown is a great player, don't get me wrong, but will he help you win a Premiership? You've done some hard years and built a potentially great midfield in Coughlin, Johnson, and Brown... but obviously its not going to win you guys a Premiership.

Same for the Dogs. True, we needed a key forward and we got the best on offer in Rawlings, but did we pay too much? Did we need Koops and Morgan? Obviously we needed ruck support but pick 20 for Peter Street? If you look at what we got as compared to what we lost, it looks good:

In: Koops, Rawlings, Street, Veale, Morgan. Plus Cooney, Ray, and Thompson in the draft.
Out: Brown, Alvey.

Looks good, but we could have taken the opportunity to get rid of hacks in Garlick and Wiggins, maybe even Harrison. If we had of delisted those three players who have little to give in terms of taking us up the ladder, we would have had the space on our list to draft more young players and also find a tall in the PSD or later in the draft. We had a chance to regenerate our list, but Wiggins is still ambling around for Werribee, up until this week Garlick was still keeping a younger out of the team, and Harrison is playing okay footy but won't last beyond the end of this year unless he plays brilliantly.
In hindsight I think we should have taken Hall in the deal for Brown and used him to add depth to our line-up instead of trading away our picks for people like Koops and Morgan. Then we could have snared Morrison (haven't seen a lot of him but he looks good) ahead of you guys in the draft, and bang, there's our new talls. And we could have drafted another young KPP as well. This would have been invaluable because a large majority of our Clayton-drafted list should be in their prime in a few years and that'll be our chance to climb the ladder and challenge for a Premiership. Because of our pathetic coaching staff none of our youngsters are developing as they should have done, so maybe any chance of finals football for us is already lost, but picking up another young KPP would have been great. If you look at our list, we have some KPP's coming through but we don't really know if they'll turn out. Our spine could be great or lousy in a few years.
Anyway, the old maxim "Don't sacrifice the permanent (or, the future) on the altar of the temporary" stands true. You've got to decide what you want - making the 8 and keeping your job or taking a chance and going for the best you can be.

Just my thoughts...
 

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Thanks GoDoggies for doing all that for us in outlining what the Doggies should have drafted. On a Richmond board - funny stuff lol.

But you could look at Wiggins, Harrison and Garlick and say the same for us. We got rid of 13 duds last year and we've still got half a team full of them. As long as Richmond keep on playing the kids, I'll be happy even if we do no good this year.

Geez, i cannot knock picking up Brown for what he's done so far since coming to the club. He's been fantastic. But last year i had the same worry, why spend all that money on a player who will give you only a few more years of good service when you could have been rebuilding with kids. Too late now - we'll keep him lol.

You've got to decide what you want - making the 8 and keeping your job or taking a chance and going for the best you can be.
Danny hasn't got a choice. He is fighting for his livelihood, hence the quick fix mentality. We definitely need an experienced coach who will tell us what they're going to do, and if it means staying on the bottom of the ladder until we can rebuild, then that would be better than putting up with the crap we're watching at the moment.

We have got a lot of talented players in our team - but for whatever reason (coach or the playing group) they're playing like crap.

Such a pathetic position we're in at the moment. I could not go tonight to watch the same old garbage of the last 2 weeks. Call me a rotten supporter, but they're losing me quickly.
 

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Originally posted by froars
Thanks GoDoggies for doing all that for us in outlining what the Doggies should have drafted. On a Richmond board - funny stuff lol.

But you could look at Wiggins, Harrison and Garlick and say the same for us. We got rid of 13 duds last year and we've still got half a team full of them. As long as Richmond keep on playing the kids, I'll be happy even if we do no good this year.

Geez, i cannot knock picking up Brown for what he's done so far since coming to the club. He's been fantastic. But last year i had the same worry, why spend all that money on a player who will give you only a few more years of good service when you could have been rebuilding with kids. Too late now - we'll keep him lol.

Danny hasn't got a choice. He is fighting for his livelihood, hence the quick fix mentality. We definitely need an experienced coach who will tell us what they're going to do, and if it means staying on the bottom of the ladder until we can rebuild, then that would be better than putting up with the crap we're watching at the moment.

We have got a lot of talented players in our team - but for whatever reason (coach or the playing group) they're playing like crap.

Such a pathetic position we're in at the moment. I could not go tonight to watch the same old garbage of the last 2 weeks. Call me a rotten supporter, but they're losing me quickly.
I've got to say I like Danny Frawley as a person. He comes across well and I'd hate to see him lose his job but...

Honestly he's gotta go. You can't move forward with him in charge.

I'm never for just dumping a coach, for instance I'll continue to support Peter Rohde for a while, and I don't believe Geelong would gain anything from sacking Thompson, but Richmond is the only team that needs a coach change desperately.

Don't give up on your club... sure they are going to heartbreak you time and time again, but one day maybe they'll reward your faith, and then the last however many years its been since you saw Richmond win a Premiership won't seem like such a long time.
 
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