Richmond List Changes

[Barnzy]

are further delistings going to be made?

Surely.

Currently 5 senior list spots open. 2 FA's makes that only 3 draft picks. Even rumours we could add more FA's than that.

Hopefully 1-2 more list cloggers go.

 

[Blaz]

Surely.

Currently 5 senior list spots open. 2 FA's makes that only 3 draft picks. Even rumours we could add more FA's than that.

Hopefully 1-2 more list cloggers go.

good. because i look at the delistings from the senior list and think... hmm, so is that it

 

[Gentlemen]

Maric, you had the uncanny ability to go missing for endless amount of time in a game, and you're were never a very good goal sneak, you had a decent foot but you turned it over by hand far too much and didn't work hard.

But that tackle against Goddard, and the resulting kick to Jack to seal us the game, well.

I respect that.

 

[LegendakaRICHO]

Maric, you had the uncanny ability to go missing for endless amount of time in a game, and you're were never a very good goal sneak, you had a decent foot but you turned it over by hand far too much and didn't work hard.

But that tackle against Goddard, and the resulting kick to Jack to seal us the game, well.

I respect that.

no free for high fend off! typical umps!

 

[HighFlyer]

Don't know how Derickx and White survived, I know that there are a few fans of White on here but let's just remember 2013 will be his 7th year at the highest level... that is mind boggling.

White will be just depth. He played ok as a depth player at the end of the season. He is capable of playing senior football and we know what we will get when he does. Pure Depth.

 

[Rubber Hips]

ha not by a long shot. laffy played a whole game and went statless.

Stevan Jackson anyone?

 

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Those delistings (excluding rookies) would just he the start. They are the ones no one would want. I would expect a few more if they are there after trade.

Free agency frenzy starts Oct 1st until Oct 18th. That will be a fun time on BF

Don't be so sure Baz, as I mentioned earlier all the talk has been about ensuring that we have plenty of depth to cover for injuries/poor form. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see us take only the first 3 picks in the draft to add some real top quality kids to the list and look to adding more experience through either free agents or trading player for player.

IMO the only way we will add picks is if someone offers us a pick in the first 2 rounds either for a player or as part of a deal where we trade a player and a later pick to get the early pick.

 

[_RT_]

Also, Browne is a better option than Graham but Angus was contracted from a previous poor deal from Craig Cameron on decent coin. White, McGuane also need to go.

Wouldn't blame Cameron for that deal. We were seriously lacking a ruckman at that stage and weren't to know that we would be getting Maric 12 months later. So we had no real choice but to sign Graham to a deal like that. In hindsight it's not ideal but its better than having no ruckman at all.

 

[Damo80]

Then we won't have looked very hard if that happens.

You really think it's that simple?

I'll be spewing if guys like White and McGuane are more than cover for injuries to best 22 players next year, but you can't expect a kid taken in the 3rd/4th/5th round of the draft to play the role's that those two are capable of playing - particularly KPP.

A perfect example is a couple of years ago we needed some mature bodied ruck depth, so we took one of the best options out of the state league's, because we all know that any well performed state league player MUST be better than some of the duds at Richmond.... Reality is, that's not always the case, and Derickx hasn't been our ruck saviour.

 

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Depth is only useful if they can come and play a role well to a decent standard. As I said above Derickx even struggled at VFL level. He was gifted a couple AFL games late on and was hopeless. As a 25 year old that should spell immediate delist.

I will be staggered if he stays on the list, absolute staggered. Definition of a list clogger.

Everyone struggled at Coburg because of the way Potter coached. He wouldn't play players in the positions that we wanted them to play. We often had 5 KPD types lining up in the backline and then 4 talls up forward of which 3 were ruckmen rotating through.

Next year we should see players lining up in the positions that we want them to and we should be playing to the gameplan that Dimma wants to.

 

[fanatigger]

Would prefer to keep Mcguane as a back up. Can clearly kick goals.

Yeah like the ones he kicked when running into an open goal a few meters out.

 

[_RT_]

You really think it's that simple?

I'll be spewing if guys like White and McGuane are more than cover for injuries to best 22 players next year, but you can't expect a kid taken in the 3rd/4th/5th round of the draft to play the role's that those two are capable of playing - particularly KPP.

A perfect example is a couple of years ago we needed some mature bodied ruck depth, so we took one of the best options out of the state league's, because we all know that any well performed state league player MUST be better than some of the duds at Richmond.... Reality is, that's not always the case, and Derickx hasn't been our ruck saviour.

Better example is the Crows game earlier this year, we needed a KPF to come in and we had to go with Elton is was nowhere near ready for AFL and it showed in the way he struggled to have an impact.

Now think to next year, we're in the middle of the season and lets say Jack is out for a week and we need a replacement to come in for a week, would people prefer a guy like Elton comes in (who isn't ready) or someone like McGuane who knows his role, has the physical maturity to be able to take an oppositions KPD on and at worse breakeven.

In this situation I'd feel much more comfortable heading into the game knowing we had an experienced head to turn to rather than going for an untried kid.

 

[Bojangles17]

Sad to see Gibson go, never really got a crack.

Am a litte surpised by this, thought he had some real tools, would love to ask what the expectation are after 12 months in system, surely not pressing for senior selection

 

[Barnzy]

Everyone struggled at Coburg because of the way Potter coached. He wouldn't play players in the positions that we wanted them to play. We often had 5 KPD types lining up in the backline and then 4 talls up forward of which 3 were ruckmen rotating through.

Next year we should see players lining up in the positions that we want them to and we should be playing to the gameplan that Dimma wants to.

Potter was not the reason for Derickx struggling big time. His lack of ability was.

If he stays he will offer nothing next year.

 

[Damo80]

Better example is the Crows game earlier this year, we needed a KPF to come in and we had to go with Elton is was nowhere near ready for AFL and it showed in the way he struggled to have an impact.

Yeah, great example... and Elton was taken with a pick in the mid 20's (26 was it?). Clearly we didn't look very hard when we picked Todd

Based on all the talk coming out of the club, I can see us taking those 2 (maybe 3) FA's, around 4/5 ND picks, and top up the rookie list with 3 or 4 mature, ready to go depth players. I would expect 1 or 2 more delistings pending us trying to find new homes for a few fringe players (White, McGuane, Gus, Post maybe).

 

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Potter was not the reason for Derickx struggling big time. His lack of ability was.

If he stays he will offer nothing next year.

Lets see what happens next year, if he is still here, when we have Coburg playing our gameplan with the players in their proper positions.

Next year at this stage we will have only 4 ruckmen in Maric Vickery Graham & Derickx. That should allow us to play 2 at AFL level rotating ruck & forward and the same happening at Coburg with Graham & Derickx alternating. Personally I'd like to see this happen for the next 12 months before we worry about delisting our 3rd-5th string ruckmen in one hit and leaving us with nothing in the cupboard if the situations arises.

 

[_RT_]

Yeah, great example... and Elton was taken with a pick in the mid 20's (26 was it?). Clearly we didn't look very hard when we picked Todd

Based on all the talk coming out of the club, I can see us taking those 2 (maybe 3) FA's, around 4/5 ND picks, and top up the rookie list with 3 or 4 mature, ready to go depth players. I would expect 1 or 2 more delistings pending us trying to find new homes for a few fringe players (White, McGuane, Gus, Post maybe).

Not sure if you didn't understand what I was saying or if I can't understand what you're saying about Elton.

As I said earlier the only way I see us taking more than 3 picks is if we can somehow snag another pick in the first 2 rounds. Otherwise I think we'll focus on player for player trades using those guys you names.

 

[Bazzar]

Don't be so sure Baz, as I mentioned earlier all the talk has been about ensuring that we have plenty of depth to cover for injuries/poor form. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see us take only the first 3 picks in the draft to add some real top quality kids to the list and look to adding more experience through either free agents or trading player for player.

IMO the only way we will add picks is if someone offers us a pick in the first 2 rounds either for a player or as part of a deal where we trade a player and a later pick to get the early pick.

Good call, but im only thinking one or two. No wholesale changes this year.
Im surprised Derickx has been kept. Obviously its an insurance thing as a ruck/forward, but it doesn't fill me with confidence for a potential quality trade/mature age replacement.

 

[sante]

Man some people on here stupid. These are just out first list changes. The others we probably consider tradeable or as depth next year, why delist everyone we don't want and have nobody to trade? Truly idiots, some of you.

 

[Damo80]

Not sure if you didn't understand what I was saying or if I can't understand what you're saying about Elton.

As I said earlier the only way I see us taking more than 3 picks is if we can somehow snag another pick in the first 2 rounds. Otherwise I think we'll focus on player for player trades using those guys you names.

I think I did... you were saying as good as Todd might be in a couple of years, we need guys like McGuane to fill the void NOW. This being the point the previous poster, who stated if we can't find better depth players to upgrade on McGuane types via the draft, seems to have missed.

3 doesn't seem a lot, but I tend to agree, perhaps leaning towards taking a 4th selection (currently that would be pick 50). As you say, a lot will come down to possible trades, and who is still available in the draft (i.e. if a slider is there at 50, we might pull the trigger, and cut one further player after the draft.

 

[_RT_]

Man some people on here stupid. These are just out first list changes. The others we probably consider tradeable or as depth next year, why delist everyone we don't want and have nobody to trade? Truly idiots, some of you.

Come on don't be shy tell us what you really think.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

I'd like to see us use our first 4 draft picks. 9,29,31 and ~45-50 to go with the 2-3 free agents. That's a good turnover.

 

[_RT_]

3 doesn't seem a lot, but I tend to agree, perhaps leaning towards taking a 4th selection (currently that would be pick 50). As you say, a lot will come down to possible trades, and who is still available in the draft (i.e. if a slider is there at 50, we might pull the trigger, and cut one further player after the draft.

We have to have the space before the draft i.e. we can't take a pick and then cut someone after the draft.

That being said I can see us trying to trade those fringe types to see if we can get a player that better suits our needs. If we can't then we may well delist one extra to either take another pick or secure an extra free agent.

That would mean we've added 6 new players to the senior list as well as 4-5 rookies, thats 10-11 overall new players. Not sure why people are expecting us to cut too many more than this.

 

[Damo80]

We have to have the space before the draft i.e. we can't take a pick and then cut someone after the draft.

Wasn't completely sure on that, but seemed to recall final list confirmations after the ND... perhaps that's more in terms of determining whether there is still a spot or two to fill via the PSD.

 

[MadTigerFan]

Tom Derickx is by far the worst player to ever put on a Richmond jumper.

You haven't followed Richmond during the last 30 years have ya