Richmond List Changes

[theflea]

Clearly they're different, with different backgrounds... but when we pick up a ruckman at 23, surely we weren't going to give him the 3-5 years in the system to reach his peak (like is generally the case with an 18 y.o. ruck prospect) before making a call on him, regardless of how green he was in terms of footy experience?

well this depends on what the club expected of him surely. if he was ready to go then maybe but if they thought it will take awhile then no.

 

[MadTigerFan]

Collingwood supporters would want us to trade Dusty, they're obviously just scared of him destroying the Collingwood Maggots in the coming seasons.

 

[pebblestone]

After sitting on it overnight, the only one that I am concerned about is Browne. Don't know why but I've always liked him, and like so many here I reckon he's stiff as he's a far better prospect than Anus Graham. Hope he gets rookied but doesn't look good for the guy. Seems to be a good fella too.

Hope he finds a way into AFL because I respect his attitude and work ethic, and unlike many on here, I see something in him. I see his deficiencies too, but I reckon he could be a handy backup ruck - at least he will have a presence on the ground and contest.

 

[vjknight]

Collingwood supporters would want us to trade Dusty, they're obviously just scared of him destroying the Collingwood Maggots in the coming seasons.

no problems guys. but consider who you have on your list who has enough value to.....
1. entice someone of real promise to your club AND
2. be sufficient to beat all other clubs to secure that other players services.

 

[TJTIGER]

After sitting on it overnight, the only one that I am concerned about is Browne. Don't know why but I've always liked him, and like so many here I reckon he's stiff as he's a far better prospect than Anus Graham. Hope he gets rookied but doesn't look good for the guy. Seems to be a good fella too.

Hope he finds a way into AFL because I respect his attitude and work ethic, and unlike many on here, I see something in him. I see his deficiencies too, but I reckon he could be a handy backup ruck - at least he will have a presence on the ground and contest.

TOTALLY AGREE! But it seems you have to be able to where at least 2 or more hats as a Ruckman and maybe that's what squeezed him out. But I'm only guessing.

 

[Tigerbob]

no problems guys. but consider who you have on your list who has enough value to.....
1. entice someone of real promise to your club AND
2. be sufficient to beat all other clubs to secure that other players services.

Just tell yourself, no club would trade there brightest talent. Should we have traded Cotchin for two good players? Your kidding yourself.

Dustin Martin will be a top grader, he is almost there, you do not get rid of them from your club.

Our rise is on the back of Cotchin, Deledio, Riewoldt and Martin.

 

[TJTIGER]

no problems guys. but consider who you have on your list who has enough value to.....
1. entice someone of real promise to your club AND
2. be sufficient to beat all other clubs to secure that other players services.

Interesting comments vj & understand ur thinking. But looking at the way things are being done at the RFC which I totally support.I think dusty Is still very young and he'll continue to develop and become a game breaker. We are looking to upgrade without taking backward steps. Trading dusty would be just that, when considering we can do what you suggest through alternative avenues and keep dusty as well. Cheers

 

[SumTingWong]

One thing I'd like to see from Big Tom having seen him in a couple of twos games also is some intensity.
Perhaps he's a laid back fella but he won't last long going about it the way he does as a big man.

Browne had it but was very limited.

One thing I would like to see from Tom is that he is played in the ruck. He was recruited on the back of a very good year in, you guessed it..........drum roll ........the ruck. And then we recruit him and play him as a KPF/KPD Surely he needs to be given a year (even if it's in the 2's) in the ruck to see if he's any good. Was OK as a KPD (the few times he played there) but absolutely useless as a KPF. Assuming he stays on the list, which is looking more likely atm.

 

[wart101]

Neither has Elton but everyone is talking him up as the next big thing for Richmond

yeah but for tom the window for potential has almost come and gone some would say!

 

[wart101]

evening.

ive tried this before, and this seems an appropriate thread to try the argument again.
and before you attack the club i support, i am trying to find something positive for you with this.

i am advocating throwing dustin martin up for trade bait, whether directly or indirectly offering him to obtain 2 x 20yo KPD's from GC or GWS. i understand he's a favourite son, he's still young etc etc, BUT he is just a very good player in an average list.
why dustin martin ? several reasons. he is good, no doubt. he has a profile, be it sometimes mixed. but he is not a game breaker, not a match winner. but he does offer something worthwhile - sufficient to entice GC or GWS to release 2 decent 20yo KP types.
from where i sit, you need 2 key defenders to work with for the next 10 years. 2 guys who are going to form the backbone of your defence. the existing KPD's are servicable, but are not matchwinners. they are forced to do jobs they havent got the ability for.
and why advocate this right now ? because you have on your list one of the best 5 players in the game right now....1st name trent. it would be criminal to see him play at your club for another 10 years and see not much for it. finishing 8th, 6th, whatever is not something to roar about. its top 4 or nothing and you know it.
yes you are building depth (chaplin & knights) plus finding some 18yo draftees, but 18yo KPD's take several years to prepare, and you need guys who are ready to be top class KPD's in 2 years when trent is maybe number 1 in the game, not 5-6 years from now when he's on the way down.
deledio, riewoldt & maric are not & should not go anywhere, and i dont see anyone else on your list that would get GC or GWS attention. chaplin & knights are not going to make a difference. a few more 18yo's arent going to make a difference. fixing the holes in your list while trent is dominating can make a difference.

thats it.

p.s. i miss hating richmond. i hate feeling sorry for them.

Troll in disguise. we dont need you to feel sorry for us, i dont feel sorry for you losing cloke and being beaten by hawthorn

 

[wart101]

LMFAO BEST REPLY EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

 

[Damo80]

no problems guys. but consider who you have on your list who has enough value to.....
1. entice someone of real promise to your club AND
2. be sufficient to beat all other clubs to secure that other players services.

We've got promising ~20y.o. KPP's coming out our ears. All we really need is a little better spread of depth, a year or two further experience and development, and a pinch of luck, and then no-one will be feeling sorry for us, don't you worry about that.

Edit: you'd better hope your mob don't lose Cloke, or you've got far bigger worries than trying to give the Tigers some list management tips... you'll be very lucky to make the 8 next year without him... good luck with that, anyway.

 

[Dragonss]

from where i sit, you need 2 key defenders to work with for the next 10 years. 2 guys who are going to form the backbone of your defence. the existing KPD's are servicable, but are not matchwinners. they are forced to do jobs they havent got the ability for.
yes you are building depth (chaplin & knights) plus finding some 18yo draftees, but 18yo KPD's take several years to prepare, and you need guys who are ready to be top class KPD's in 2 years when trent is maybe number 1 in the game, not 5-6 years from now when he's on the way down.
deledio, riewoldt & maric are not & should not go anywhere, and i dont see anyone else on your list that would get GC or GWS attention. chaplin & knights are not going to make a difference. a few more 18yo's arent going to make a difference. fixing the holes in your list while trent is dominating can make a difference.

thats it.

p.s. i miss hating richmond. i hate feeling sorry for them.

the flip... we've got rance, grimes and griffiths. we form our defense around them.

cotchin won't stop dominating until he's 40. even then he'll be playing full forward and playing like a beast.

Lost me there. Also they don't have 2 decent young tall defenders between them. Charlie Dixon maybe then...

Collingwood should be looking at trading Daisy and a first round pick for Cameron to replace Cloke.

Give us Daisy for our first round pick, 2nd round pick and Mcguane.

 

[_DBF_]

the flip... we've got rance, grimes and griffiths. we form our defense around them.

cotchin won't stop dominating until he's 40. even then he'll be playing forward pocket and playing like a beast.



Give us Daisy for our first round pick, 2nd round pick and Mcguane.

EFA!

Full Forward Line 2030: D. Martin, S.Tuck, T.Cotchin

 

[Tigez 4 Life]

After sitting on it overnight, the only one that I am concerned about is Browne. Don't know why but I've always liked him, and like so many here I reckon he's stiff as he's a far better prospect than Anus Graham. Hope he gets rookied but doesn't look good for the guy. Seems to be a good fella too.

Hope he finds a way into AFL because I respect his attitude and work ethic, and unlike many on here, I see something in him. I see his deficiencies too, but I reckon he could be a handy backup ruck - at least he will have a presence on the ground and contest.

i see what you did there. Also i agree

 

[tigs2010]

no problems guys. but consider who you have on your list who has enough value to.....
1. entice someone of real promise to your club AND
2. be sufficient to beat all other clubs to secure that other players services.

Trade you Astbury and Post for Pendles. Astbury replaces Cloke and Post replaces Taz.

1. He should have enough value to entice these 2 promising 20yo KPP.
2. It should be enough to beat the other offers we get.

 

[tigs2010]

Give us Daisy for our first round pick, 2nd round pick and Mcguane.

No thanks. Did he play last night?

 

[_RT_]

evening.

ive tried this before, and this seems an appropriate thread to try the argument again.
and before you attack the club i support, i am trying to find something positive for you with this.

i am advocating throwing dustin martin up for trade bait, whether directly or indirectly offering him to obtain 2 x 20yo KPD's from GC or GWS. i understand he's a favourite son, he's still young etc etc, BUT he is just a very good player in an average list.
why dustin martin ? several reasons. he is good, no doubt. he has a profile, be it sometimes mixed. but he is not a game breaker, not a match winner. but he does offer something worthwhile - sufficient to entice GC or GWS to release 2 decent 20yo KP types.
from where i sit, you need 2 key defenders to work with for the next 10 years. 2 guys who are going to form the backbone of your defence. the existing KPD's are servicable, but are not matchwinners. they are forced to do jobs they havent got the ability for.
and why advocate this right now ? because you have on your list one of the best 5 players in the game right now....1st name trent. it would be criminal to see him play at your club for another 10 years and see not much for it. finishing 8th, 6th, whatever is not something to roar about. its top 4 or nothing and you know it.
yes you are building depth (chaplin & knights) plus finding some 18yo draftees, but 18yo KPD's take several years to prepare, and you need guys who are ready to be top class KPD's in 2 years when trent is maybe number 1 in the game, not 5-6 years from now when he's on the way down.
deledio, riewoldt & maric are not & should not go anywhere, and i dont see anyone else on your list that would get GC or GWS attention. chaplin & knights are not going to make a difference. a few more 18yo's arent going to make a difference. fixing the holes in your list while trent is dominating can make a difference.

thats it.

p.s. i miss hating richmond. i hate feeling sorry for them.

How about you guys offer up Pendlebury for trade? I mean he has won a flag for you guys and based on the last couple of years it would appear that the Pies are going backwards, will be lucky to survive next week at this stage. Perhaps you can try and secure yourselves a couple of KPF to replace Cloke and Dawes, seeing as one will be leaving shortly and the other one is a hack of the highest order.

 

[acr2751]

evening.



i am advocating throwing dustin martin up for trade bait,




i stopped reading here go back to hating us

 

[nobulltiger]

He won't play unless Vickery gets injured again, he isn't starting 18 he is depth at best.

while vickery will CHF , mcguane will HFF or FP.

 

[_RT_]

while vickery will CHF , mcguane will HFF or FP.

Will only happen if Elton Astbury or Griffiths are injured. Thats if he is still at the club.

 

[nobulltiger]

Will only happen if Elton Astbury or Griffiths are injured. Thats if he is still at the club.

Griffiths looks set to be in defense for another year. Mcguane is ahead of elton and astbury, they will have to either wait for Luke to get injured or really show something in VFL consistently.

 

[tugga]

Gee, so much anger directed towards an opposition supporter with an opinion and who isn't afraid to voice it. Relax peeps, our board is better than this. We are welcoming folk.
With regards to Martin, I think people expect a lot from him. What I don't think he is, is a 35-possession midfielder. He just isn't that type of player. I see him more as a forward who pinch hits in the middle. Maybe more than pinch hits, but I want to see him alternating a lot more in the forward line and I think the club is addressing this as we speak by targetting a few big bodied mids in FA as well as the draft.
I think he is our Tom Rockliff. Good in the middle, but probably more dangerous up forward. Ironically, Brisbane find themselves in the same boat as us as an emerging side and arelooking to do exactly the same with Rockliff as what our brains trust is trying to do with DM.
Trade Martin? No way. Bullocking mid/forwards who send a shiver up the spine of opposition players just don't grow on trees and they can't just be plucked from the draft either. To trade away Martin would be to trade away an asset I don't think we can afford to lose. When we are challenging in two years time, Martin will be the type of player that wins us finals.

 

[pebblestone]

i see what you did there. Also i agree

Couldn't help myself.

 

[tigs2010]

Gee, so much anger directed towards an opposition supporter with an opinion and who isn't afraid to voice it. Relax peeps, our board is better than this. We are welcoming folk.
With regards to Martin, I think people expect a lot from him. What I don't think he is, is a 35-possession midfielder. He just isn't that type of player. I see him more as a forward who pinch hits in the middle. Maybe more than pinch hits, but I want to see him alternating a lot more in the forward line and I think the club is addressing this as we speak by targetting a few big bodied mids in FA as well as the draft.
I think he is our Tom Rockliff. Good in the middle, but probably more dangerous up forward. Ironically, Brisbane find themselves in the same boat as us as an emerging side and arelooking to do exactly the same with Rockliff as what our brains trust is trying to do with DM.
Trade Martin? No way. Bullocking mid/forwards who send a shiver up the spine of opposition players just don't grow on trees and they can't just be plucked from the draft either. To trade away Martin would be to trade away an asset I don't think we can afford to lose. When we are challenging in two years time, Martin will be the type of player that wins us finals.

He was trolling. I think Martin is 2 years away from breaking out as a midfielder and I'm happy with him developing his forward game while this happens. Needs a bigger tank. He's tracking pretty well compared to a Dangerfield.

I also think opposition clubs have figured him out as they often do with second year players. It's just taken an extra year to stop him. He will come out the other side better.