Autopsy Richmond salary cap disaster: 2018-2024

Discussion in 'AFL - The Australian Football League' started by cannot, Sep 2, 2017.

Put it out there
  1. Boxhead_31

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    Have to wonder, did the Dusty deal cost Riewoldt a sidekick in Casboult?
    Did they take the cash they were going to give to Levi and add it to the Martin deal?
     

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    Hmmm.... an unexpected benefit of paying slightly more to retain Dusty. Not bad.
     
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    Casboult priced himself out of the market, well before the Martin deal was done.
     
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    Were they the same football heads who publicly announced the other year about their failed 8 year mini rebuild content to finish around 7-11th just to keep the memberships up..
     
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    Dan Richardson essentially said (and said it very badly) that Richmond had risen too soon, which was absolutely true. I think St.Kilda is probably realising something similar. It takes years to recover from a list train wreck; longer if the drafts are compromised.
     
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    blessing in disguise
     
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    I would think it's all about a flag - if he helps deliver one within those 7 years to a club starved of success then it'll have been worth every penny. Plus he's one of the best players in the game so arguably it's just around market value, maybe even unders given the salary cap increase.

    I know it's a different situation, but Boyd helped deliver a flag to a dogs supporter base that hadn't seen one in generations. If he doesn't progress much as a KPF and/or ruck and the club is overpaying him massively then he'll still have delivered that flag, and maybe even was BOG in the GF. If it hinders the dogs recruitment and retention over the next few years then maybe it ends up being an issue, but many people will still say it was worth it for the one flag. My guess is a chunk of tigers fans would feel the same if they broke their drought.
     
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    If Vickery provides a 2nd rounder, White's worth a couple of #1s
     
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    Dusty is, as Riewoldt does, and then there is a Rance but even that might not work... courting disaster if you let these dudes go
    so I applaud the Hardwick with his cohorts to keep these likable larrikins around.

    Dam Hardwick is a chop off the old Clarkson block and so I applaud his hardness and fortitude because the Tigers need a bit of a
    bullet up the butt.. no not that but a butt of more than chocolate.... laugh with me cos it is just too funny all round.
     
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    I remember when people said the same things about the Western Bulldogs 3 years ago.

    They'll be fine.
     
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    Right up to Martin signing on Casboult was heading to Richmond, after he suddenly re-signs with Carlton.
    Where did the money for his signing go?
     

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    We were into him all year but he wanted $600K over four years to move. You're not seriously suggesting that signing Martin over Casboult + a good ordinary mid represents a net loss for Richmond?
     
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    He wanted that much but stayed at carlton for 400k?
     
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    No idea what he's on, I hadn't even heard that he re-signed. He grew up barracking for Carlton and he's apparently happy enough there; a lot of Richmond people were wary. $600K was the asking price to up and move.

    His style would've suited us, but not at any price.
     
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    There's a difference between an unknown quantity getting 1million and the best player in the comp this year getting 1.1 mil. One justifiable got discussed at the time as potentially being a bad deal, this one I can't really see the justification behind how it can be said to be a bad deal with assessing it at the time. Maybe retrospectively it might be but definitely not at moment when the player is likely to break the all time Brownlow votes record in a year.
     
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    Reported he stayed for 350-400k.
     
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    My understanding is his problem with Carlton wasn't so much the $$$ as the years.

    As for the Martin deal taking the money away....When you factor in the CBA increase, Richmond's offer went up by ~200k since the start of the year (and I'm sure most will agree his form this year warranted that), so while it might make things a bit tighter, I doubt we're talking deal breaking sums.

    More likely Richmond was looking at a couple of options and decided others were better....Or perhaps they've decided that the current small forward line is the way to go moving forward.
     
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    Did a North fan really instigate this thread by implying Richmond gave up too much to keep Martin? Have they forgotten what they threw over the table at Martin and Kelly this year?
     
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    The have odd logic at Arden st. The thread in Draft and trading has been the source of many LOLs for a month or so now.

    Them offering $1.5M is perfectly fine, us getting him for $1.2M is overpaying.

    Oh, and somehow he's a mercenary for taking our offer....:D
     
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    I'm not sure that a position on the board is part of his new contract.
     
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    This may be the case and has probably saved us from ourselves.
     
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    Ah they are still a little bit salty some very confusing remarks from a few of them.
     
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    You nearly always get less if you stay, thats about the right price but we would have had to pay overs and his kicking makes him not quite worth it.
     
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    Isnt Vickery on 500k thats a lot for a reserves player.
     
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    As others have said, the cap is increasing. It may irk some players that their pay won't increase, but that will be the bottom rung. The top ones will be looked after.

    Secondly, all teams have outside the cap scams they run (yes, even mine). You will find players like Martin will be "leasing" jeeps on next to nothing, with them taking ownership after x amount of years on minimal coin (Josh gibson got himself an Audi this way, and several Essendon and Geelong players found themselves owning fords and toyotas for free thanks to their clubs relationships