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Said this from the moment i saw him in the vfl, as harsh as it is, RCD is no good ... a mid who cant find the footy .... bust ... they'll persevere (as they should), prob end up trying him as a half forward, but ultimately he'll be a bust i reckon ... that said, drafting is a numbers game, so win slme lose dome ... ross and stack look to be big wins
 

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Said this from the moment i saw him in the vfl, as harsh as it is, RCD is no good ... a mid who cant find the footy .... bust ... they'll persevere (as they should), prob end up trying him as a half forward, but ultimately he'll be a bust i reckon ... that said, drafting is a numbers game, so win slme lose dome ... ross and stack look to be big wins
Can’t make calls on players first year vfl , naish would have rarely topped dozen posies until late season he began racking them up , same with Bolton
 

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RCDs VFL career so far is pretty much a carbon copy of his junior stuff.

He appealed because of his enormous upside but if you read his pre-draft appraisals they all mention his lack of productivity ( ie low possession rate) and his low endurance base. Which is why with all this upside he was still available at pick 20

Will be a patience game with this kid
 
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Turner 26 disposals (16 kicks 10 handballs) 4 marks 1.0
Bolton 25 disposals (16 kicks 9 handballs) 4 marks 11 tackles 1.0
Weller 22 disposals (14 kicks 8 handballs) 3 marks 7 tackles 0.1
Broad 19 disposals (14 kicks 5 handballs) 4 marks 2 tackles
Egg-Smith 16 disposals (11 kicks 5 handballs) 9 marks 3 tackles
Chol 15 disposals (11 kicks 4 handballs) 3 marks 6 tackles 22 hitouts 2.0
Menadue 15 disposals (8 kicks 7 handballs) 6 marks 3 tackles
Aarts 13 disposals (10 kicks 3 handballs) 4 marks 3 tackles 1.2
Markov 13 disposals (12 kicks 1 handball) 6 marks 3 tackles
RCD 8 disposals (5 kicks 3 handballs) 3 marks 2 tackles

No CCJ suggests he might be playing on Thursday. Bolton putting his hand up for an immediate recall and given Rioli performance last week earned a recall you'd think he'd be a chance. Please Chol rebounded after a poor showing last week, if he can just get some consistency in his performances. Weller set the tone early on and not sure but appears he may have been rested in the last quarter in case he is recalled for Thursday as well. Turner looks to have taken Naishs spot in the queue knocking on the door for a game. Broad looks to have had a solid game as well whether he gets recalled or not will be interesting.
Turner looks to be an inspired pick up , a call up soon wouldn’t surprise , not sure both he and naish play together though , very good sign to be avg > 20p first 9 games at vfl , especially so being youngest player in draft pool
 

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RCDs VFL career so far is pretty much a carbon copy of his junior stuff.

He appealed because of his enormous upside but if you read his pre-draft appraisals they all mention his lack of productivity ( ie low possession rate) and his low endurance base. Which is why with all these attributes he was still available at pick 20

Will be a patience game with this kid
RCD was never going to be a 2019 proposition for AFL games as he was always going to spend the year at VFL level developing as an all round midfielder. If people read the weekly reports on the VFL they nearly always say the same thing, Riley was an inside bull for the side just needs to keep working on his outside game. Learning when and where to run to get those easy touches will come as his endurance improves and that is much easier to improve than teaching someone how to win contested footy/clearances. Those that are calling him a bust already could well end up embarrassed down the track
 

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RCD was never going to be a 2019 proposition for AFL games as he was always going to spend the year at VFL level developing as an all round midfielder. If people read the weekly reports on the VFL they nearly always say the same thing, Riley was an inside bull for the side just needs to keep working on his outside game. Learning when and where to run to get those easy touches will come as his endurance improves and that is much easier to improve than teaching someone how to win contested footy/clearances. Those that are calling him a bust already could well end up embarrassed down the track
Agree. Way to early to call him a bust. He needs to develop his tank and that only happens in the off season. He obviously has skill he just needs time
 

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Said this from the moment i saw him in the vfl, as harsh as it is, RCD is no good ... a mid who cant find the footy .... bust ... they'll persevere (as they should), prob end up trying him as a half forward, but ultimately he'll be a bust i reckon ... that said, drafting is a numbers game, so win slme lose dome ... ross and stack look to be big wins
Just out of curiosity, are you a recruiter or a development coach or have skills/knowledge in that area?

I am hoping you are just a normal supporter with an opinion, because RDC seems like a great kid with a bright AFL future.
 

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RCD was never going to be a 2019 proposition for AFL games as he was always going to spend the year at VFL level developing as an all round midfielder. If people read the weekly reports on the VFL they nearly always say the same thing, Riley was an inside bull for the side just needs to keep working on his outside game. Learning when and where to run to get those easy touches will come as his endurance improves and that is much easier to improve than teaching someone how to win contested footy/clearances. Those that are calling him a bust already could well end up embarrassed down the track
Fans become impatient, they see Stack and Ross in their first year , stepping up to AFL level with ease. A fourth round selection in Turner racking them up at VFL level and we expect every pick to be progressing at the same rate. But it doesn’t work that way unfortunately.
I’ll back RCD in too, but who can put a time on it ? Could be 50, 70 , 90 games til we see him ready to mix it with the big boys
 
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Every other kid we picked this year is ahead of RCD.

What's his excuse?
He has been described as progressing well in several coach's reports. Has thrown in a quiet looking match well below his normal output here but you have no way of knowing if he copped a knock early or was asked to play a different role or maybe Selwood tagged him for practice, you just don't know. What we do know is that he was pick 20, is a first year mid, is taller(so can take a bit longer to develop.), and has mainly been getting high teens possessions per match, with several tackles and most of his possessions seem to be contested. To the eye he can look very powerful around the ball at times. So all of those attributes are in great shape even for a pick 20.

What has been mentioned is he doesn't have a huge tank nor maybe the knowhow to rack up more eye catching and damaging uncontested possessions. It is far from out of the question that he can yet develop this part of his game to a standard good enough for AFL footy. Describing an 18-19yo as a bust on the back of a small group of performances when he has at his best displayed some strong traits seems to me to be very premature.
 

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Every other kid we picked this year is ahead of RCD.

What's his excuse?
RCD is a kid who is making the change from playing as a forward who had cameos in the middle to a full time midfielder.

Here are the comments about his games this year:
Riley Collier-Dawkins v North

16 disposals, five tackles, three centre clearances & five clearances

“Was a bull inside and extracted the ball on numerous occasions, but just couldn’t get much outside ball, so he’ll be working on complementing his game in that manner.”

Riley Collier-Dawkins v Essendon

13 disposals, four tackles & three clearances

“He came back after being a carry-over (player) last week and played as an inside ‘mid’, good around the contest, eight contested possessions of his 13 (disposals), three clearances. We just need to get him to spread to the outside to get involved in that part of the game.”

Riley Collier-Dawkins v Frankston

19 disposals, nine handball receives, four tackles & five inside-50s

“Learning every week, while playing consistent footy.”

Riley Collier-Dawkins v Williamstown

18 disposals, seven clearances & three tackles

“Improves every week. His defence is really standing out. Big-bodied, seven clearances led the team, and played a really important role in our defensive structure.”

Riley Collier-Dawkins v Casey

18 disposals, 15 contested possessions, seven tackles & four clearances

“Looks a real promising player for us. A big, strong inside midfielder. A lot of handballs on the day - 18 disposals on the day, 12 of those handballs - high tackle numbers again with seven. His ability to break the game open in the third quarter was critical to the outcome. He’s playing some great footy.”

Riley Collier-Dawkins v Port

18 disposals, 11 contested possessions, five clearances & six handball receives
“A strong body, he started the game really well. His 18 disposals, 11 contested, were a feature, as well as five clearances. It was really pleasing to see him play to his strengths.”

Riley Collier-Dawkins v Geelong round 1

11 disposals, three handball receives, one clearance.

“We tried Riley at half-back for the first half and he did okay. He learnt a few lessons in positioning which will be good for his development and then he went on-ball in the second half.”
As you can see Riley is predominately playing as an inside midfielder who role is to win the clearance and get the ball out to guys like Turner Naish on the outside who can then run and carry. The other constant in the comments is that he needs to develop that outside game to get the easy cheap possessions that turn 18-19 disposals into 25-30 disposal games. That will come as the kid develops his tank, which he is doing playing midfield for full games every week. Very rarely does he spend any time down forward, it's on ball or resting on the bench. If he is still battling away in the VFL yet to debut in 12 months time then it would be fair to query if he is going to be a bust, but for now just let him continue to develop his game and be patient, not everyone rolls up to an AFL club ready to go.
 

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RCD is a kid who is making the change from playing as a forward who had cameos in the middle to a full time midfielder.

Here are the comments about his games this year:


As you can see Riley is predominately playing as an inside midfielder who role is to win the clearance and get the ball out to guys like Turner Naish on the outside who can then run and carry. The other constant in the comments is that he needs to develop that outside game to get the easy cheap possessions that turn 18-19 disposals into 25-30 disposal games. That will come as the kid develops his tank, which he is doing playing midfield for full games every week. Very rarely does he spend any time down forward, it's on ball or resting on the bench. If he is still battling away in the VFL yet to debut in 12 months time then it would be fair to query if he is going to be a bust, but for now just let him continue to develop his game and be patient, not everyone rolls up to an AFL club ready to go.
Exactly right am not the least bit worried about RCD kid is literally still growing into his body and building a tank. We can see in the seniors now the kids are starting to look a bit tierd and that would be no different to Riley with his body taking a bit of a beating playing the inside role for the first time in his career against men. Has been emergency for us a few times so I think that shows the club has full faith in the kid as should us supporters, People calling him a bust already 😂😂
 

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RCD has been solid averaging about 15-18 possessions as an inside player. Has a quiet week and the sky is falling.

Reckon thats been his highest count if hes lucky - more like averaging 12 possies as an inside player which is low. Im not losing faith long term but hoping to see some improvement in the backend of the season in terms of raw numbers.
 
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