'Richmond's top 10 basic errors' - Lloyd analysis

[Tomnat Tigers]

For me we have started the last 3 seasons the same way. With slow ball movement, chipping it sideways & not trying to use pace to break lines. Then Dimma wakes up & gets the players to move the ball quicker & our disposal seems to improve with the quicker movement. So whatever Dimma is trying to do in the pre-seasons is obviously not working. We really need to play to our strengths & stop over complicating whatever the game plan is.

You know what the last three seasons have in common? At the beginning of each season we have had injuries to key players, which has a greater effect on our team than it does for any other team in the competition. The reason that is the case is our game plan relies on individuals to come up big in key moments (close games), whether that be Edwards sharking a pack just outside defensive forward and kicking it forward, gaining 50 yards in the process or Deledio taking a contested mark on the wing/high half forward. Now I'm not making an excuse for the team, however this is the reality as our game plan biggest pro is that we keep games close and are generally always a chance heading into the last quarter, while the biggest con is our game plan also means we're never out of arms reach heading into the final quarter, which should have been the case on friday night.

The solution to all this is to play at slightly faster pace so that we give up forward the best chance of being able to compete one on one but also don't compromise our defence by playing recklessly. While we also need to do a far better job of getting the ball to our best ball users who at the same time need not be afraid to be selfish.

 

[HTT]

I'm so ******* sick of hearing about treloar now

As far as I'm concerned, he earnt them about 3 goals, so if we got him, it goes the other way it's a 6 goal win to us. That means he made the wrong choice and we had the better list.

 

[tigs2010]

As far as I'm concerned, he earnt them about 3 goals, so if we got him, it goes the other way it's a 6 goal win to us. That means he made the wrong choice and we had the better list.

We should have won by 6 goals anyway. A team of monkeys would have won that.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Why is everyone getting stuck into Cotchin, FFS he is the captain of our football club, how about supporting him, it's almost as if some of you have been sucked in by the cotch hate on the MB.

The way a lot of people talk about our players on here one could be mistaken for thinking they were an Essendon fan.

 

[theyellowsash]

cotchin mentioned a few times in that video. not good enough.

 

[Alfar]

Why is everyone getting stuck into Cotchin, FFS he is the captain of our football club, how about supporting him, it's almost as if some of you have been sucked in by the cotch hate on the MB.

The way a lot of people talk about our players on here one could be mistaken for thinking they were an Essendon fan.

This. He's been a very good Captain and i think he has a record of 43 wins and 28 losses in that time. We've seen three finals appearances in his first three years as captain. He was great again on Friday night and and started ripping on Treloar when we were winning because he believes in this team and this club. Him and Rance were the only players from our 5 man leadership group and when the whole team shit the bed there wasn't much he could do in that situation. When you've got 10 or so players making fundamental errors you can't have Cotchy or any leader for that matter directing every possession the team gets.

Hopefully Houli can give them all a masterclass on dealing with blunders and how to learn from it so that it never happens again.

 

[Rezza Tiger]

Why is everyone getting stuck into Cotchin, FFS he is the captain of our football club, how about supporting him, it's almost as if some of you have been sucked in by the cotch hate on the MB.

The way a lot of people talk about our players on here one could be mistaken for thinking they were an Essendon fan.

I guess blasting the players and coach is an easy way to vent. At the end of the day we're only 2 rounds in and some of the other contenders have alot more issues than us. Freo are winless in 17th position, Port got flogged off the park, GWS rolled over Geelong quite comfortably and West Coast's confidence will be dented from that loss to Hawthorn.

The Tigers have had a very unsettled start. The injuries randomly popping are wreaking havoc on our team structure and gameplan. To be honest I haven't really been able to identify much of a gameplan as yet. We just haven't got into any sort of rhythm. Putting that all into context I think we're going ok. I expect us to respond savagely against Adelaide. Remember how we responded against Hawthorn after that loss to Freo last year? There's some players who should be really stinging this week. I understand the negativity but it's just too early in the season to make any predictions.

 

[tigs2010]

Haven't seen one post bagging Cotch? A few gags here and there. No laughing allowed after Friday night?

 

[BF Tiger]

You know what the last three seasons have in common? At the beginning of each season we have had injuries to key players, which has a greater effect on our team than it does for any other team in the competition. The reason that is the case is our game plan relies on individuals to come up big in key moments (close games), whether that be Edwards sharking a pack just outside defensive forward and kicking it forward, gaining 50 yards in the process or Deledio taking a contested mark on the wing/high half forward. Now I'm not making an excuse for the team, however this is the reality as our game plan biggest pro is that we keep games close and are generally always a chance heading into the last quarter, while the biggest con is our game plan also means we're never out of arms reach heading into the final quarter, which should have been the case on friday night.

The solution to all this is to play at slightly faster pace so that we give up forward the best chance of being able to compete one on one but also don't compromise our defence by playing recklessly. While we also need to do a far better job of getting the ball to our best ball users who at the same time need not be afraid to be selfish.

Why do we have these injuries at the start of the year? Hell, Deledio is so important to us but they have stuffed up his pre-season three years in a row. Are they too conservative with him? Maybe if his workload was upped earlier the fitness staff and him might recognise a problem sooner. That then gets him on the field sooner.

 

[TheDyerLegacy]

Why do we have these injuries at the start of the year? Hell, Deledio is so important to us but they have stuffed up his pre-season three years in a row. Are they too conservative with him? Maybe if his workload was upped earlier the fitness staff and him might recognise a problem sooner. That then gets him on the field sooner.

Really good question... you would think this is when they are at their fittest

 

[_RT_]

make them watch it with Dimma glaring hard enough to melt steel beams

Only aviation fuel melts steel beams

 

[theflea]

Haven't seen one post bagging Cotch? A few gags here and there. No laughing allowed after Friday night?

Imo there has been plenty bagging of cotch and most isn't just ribbing me included.

 

[theflea]

Why do we have these injuries at the start of the year? Hell, Deledio is so important to us but they have stuffed up his pre-season three years in a row. Are they too conservative with him? Maybe if his workload was upped earlier the fitness staff and him might recognise a problem sooner. That then gets him on the field sooner.

Not sure they have stuffed up his preseason but everytime he ramps up he gets injured. He is getting very injury prone now. In season isn't too bad as they don't do the mileage at training that the offseason does.

 

[Hans McGregor]

What a horrible 5 minutes. Should not have dropped that.
Can confirm Cotchin getting into Treloar. He was at Hastings on Saturday, admitted it himself.

Dick move by him and this speaks volumes about us as a club that has a history of getting ahead of itself.

The ball was in our court to bury these campaigners, who we've let bully us for the last few years (bar last years game of course), especially in light of all the garbage involved with the self-entitled, classless individual that is adam treloar. Christ I can't stand him. We should have put him and the rest of the team in the f***** ground.

We needed to make an on field statement for once. Cotchin's understanding of making a statement is making sure the rest of the team feeds him a bunch of cheap possessions in the first 2 mins of play. And then he couldn't even follow it up when he had the chance to kick an easy goal from 35m out with little to no angle shortly after that. And now of course this mistimed sledge. So embarrassing.

Cotchin is just so richmond. Incapable of standing up and making a statement when it matters most.

 

[BF Tiger]

Not sure they have stuffed up his preseason but everytime he ramps up he gets injured. He is getting very injury prone now. In season isn't too bad as they don't do the mileage at training that the offseason does.

This is part of what I am getting at. Maybe they are ramping him up too late and going too fast. Lids is now a seasoned player who needs to be managed, and maybe part of that management is not to let him drop off too much in the off-season so that he then doesn't really need a ramp-up in the month before the season starts.

 

[theflea]

This is part of what I am getting at. Maybe they are ramping him up too late and going too fast. Lids is now a seasoned player who needs to be managed, and maybe part of that management is not to let him drop off too much in the off-season so that he then doesn't really need a ramp-up in the month before the season starts.

Yeah I understand your point but I just wonder being so far from the start doing it at this time would just make him work hard on the hard decks of feb and just increase the chances of additional injuries anyway.

 

[pebblestone]

Woulda held on if Chappy was in.

 

[Groupie_]

Woulda held on if Chappy was in.

This is actually true. He would have chest marked the last kick from Moore like that game in 2014 against Adelaide when we had to win to keep the season alive. Chappy has a cool head down back in close games

 

[TiggerMan22]

For me we have started the last 3 seasons the same way. With slow ball movement, chipping it sideways & not trying to use pace to break lines. Then Dimma wakes up & gets the players to move the ball quicker & our disposal seems to improve with the quicker movement. So whatever Dimma is trying to do in the pre-seasons is obviously not working. We really need to play to our strengths & stop over complicating whatever the game plan is.

Just wait to Lids, Edwards and Yarran are in. Then we will have some pace to break lines.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Why is everyone getting stuck into Cotchin, FFS he is the captain of our football club, how about supporting him, it's almost as if some of you have been sucked in by the cotch hate on the MB.

The way a lot of people talk about our players on here one could be mistaken for thinking they were an Essendon fan.

They definitely have. Its actually pretty sad that our captain and our used to be most loved player gets treated like that.
Its not even reasonable criticism anymore, hes at the level of Morris and Hampson where he still gets hate when he plays well.
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[Spluff]

Half of these aren't errors as much as simply getting outplayed. Some were shockers, but several of these were the right option, just let down by poor performances at the time. Like going down the line - that's not the wrong option. One of these was attacking Cotchin for getting a quick clearance out of a pack, he literally had the ball for milliseconds, sure it would be great if he could pinpoint a handball out of the pack but that's just not always possible.

For me we have started the last 3 seasons the same way. With slow ball movement, chipping it sideways & not trying to use pace to break lines. Then Dimma wakes up & gets the players to move the ball quicker & our disposal seems to improve with the quicker movement. So whatever Dimma is trying to do in the pre-seasons is obviously not working. We really need to play to our strengths & stop over complicating whatever the game plan is.

Last season we were trying to move it too fast early, didn't have the gameplan. We only got back into it when we started moving slow. We've also been trying to move it fast early this season and it's probably reflected in our lack of composure. It's not that we don't want to move fast, it's that for whatever reason (gameplan, player abilities, I'm not going to speculate here), it doesn't work and ends up in horrible errors.

 

[Alfar]

Dick move by him and this speaks volumes about us as a club that has a history of getting ahead of itself.

Not going to deny our reputation but I am glad Cotchy said what he said. God forbid he takes a bit of pride in his club and wants to stick it to the guy who openly said a team who is missing finals is better then a team making finals. Cotchy believed we'd won and wanted to stick it to one of our critics. Richmond had that game won and lost it based on bad decisions. Collingwood didn't win it because they were better team, no they were gifted that win. Treloar can go ahead and think he made the right choice but he'll realize his mistake at the end of the season when we're playing finals and Collingwood are sitting in the stands watching and wondering where it all went wrong.

 

[Valixir]

Just wait to Lids, Edwards and Yarran are in. Then we will have some pace to break lines.

Add to that Daniel *Catchmeifyacan* Rioli and Oleg *The Flash* Markov and we can expect an injection of speed into our game

 

[TiggerMan22]

Add to that Daniel *Catchmeifyacan* Rioli and Oleg *The Flash* Markov and we can expect an injection of speed into our game

Conca also has way more speed than people think.

 

[Tiges1229]

Haha cotchin and Trelor reminds me of when my mate and i were watching with 1 minute left in the west ham v Liverpool FA cup final getting stuck into me , lol , 5 secs later Gerrard scores a screamer.