Richmond's win troubling for the AFL according to news.com.au clown

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It's just pathetic trying to demean or reduce the value of the premiers. Richmond are thoroughly deserved premiers.
Yup. The Tigers knocked over the other three top four finishers after the H&A season and they did so convincingly in do or die finals. The closest of those three only got within 36 points. The MCG may have slightly benefited the Tigers over the course of their finals campaign but it is not a 6 goal advantage. Therefore I'm pretty comfortable saying that Richmond are deserving premiers and this talk of the MCG factor is nothing but rubbish.
 

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Oh, they are very optional.

Much bigger sports than us, like European football, NFL whose corporates make our corporate's look like Bob and Tina's fish and chip shop seem to survive just fine by movable finals venues of varying capacity.

It may seem a miracle to you, but it does happen
And you think they don't have Corporates at those events? They have an even higher proportion. They just have multiple stadiums with similar capacity
 

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Have a look at your record away from the mcg

Compare that to the hawks -

in your best two games away from the g - you beat port 5th and fremantle 14th.

Drive a few km down the road to etihad and you couldnt beat the top 4 of the bottom 8 but you did ok against the bottom 4.

Next year you will have a harder draw and will fall away.



18th - Beat brisbane at the gabba by 52

1st - Lost to adelaide at ao by 76

10th - Lost to the dogs at etihad by 5

4th - Lost to gws by 3 at spotless

15th - Beat roos by 35 at etihad

5th - Beat port by 13 at ao

11th - Lost by 67 to saints at etihad

18th - Beat brisbane at etihad by 31

17th - Beat gc by 33 at metricon

2nd - Lost to geelong by 14 at skilled

14th - Beat freo by 104 at subi
Not sure what that's got to do with anything, but great summary of our season mate. Well done. We improved a bit. You might not have noticed. Maybe you saw us play during the finals? But it's great analysis, really. The only thing you forgot to mention is that we never beat a good side. In fact, crazily, everyone we played (that we beat) played their worst game for the season just when we played them! Crazy huh?!? Just a massive coincidence that no-one ever switched on when playing Richmond.
 

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Adelaide didnt do well away from home either

The article is about how crap the premiers have been the last two years

Have a look at the hawks away record. They beat top 4 teams away.
Must have been a shit season then. Footy was so much better when one team dominated the competition. Another compelling argument :thumbsu:

Did you write this article mate?
 

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If that is the example now set by football journalism in this country then the problem does not lie with football, the media are a disgrace. Grant Thomas came out today and said Richmond were a poor premiership team? WTF does that even mean?
The Tigers won the flag, the Dogs won last year, you cannot possibly begrudge either team or call them poor Premiers.
You make your own luck and take the opportunities presented to you, Richmond finished 4th and played three home finals, is that a huge advantage? It certainly helped, but they still had to win!
IMO Richmond winning the flag was good for football, i don't believe Adelaide were the best team (the Swans were) they blew it by not starting the season well and missing the double chance.
The AFL wanted an even competition and now they have it...what's the complaint about that ?
I tipped the Tigers by 12 goals, IMO it was one of the easiest tips i've made all year! I never thought for a minute the Crows had a chance.
 

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Article must be closer to the truth then most care given the comments.

Stats don't lie it's always hard to win at the MCG for teams outside of Melbourne. In saying that the Tigers poor away record against the top 4 this year shows it cuts both ways.
 

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Not sure what that's got to do with anything, but great summary of our season mate. Well done. We improved a bit. You might not have noticed. Maybe you saw us play during the finals? But it's great analysis, really. The only thing you forgot to mention is that we never beat a good side. In fact, crazily, everyone we played (that we beat) played their worst game for the season just when we played them! Crazy huh?!? Just a massive coincidence that no-one ever switched on when playing Richmond.
Good teams win away from home
 

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If anything I think it's a great thing that we've now got teams winning flags that are a bit of a surprise packet. Surely after seeing Brisbane, Geelong and Hawthorn win 9 flags in a 14 year period it's a good thing that the expected premiers aren't winning every year.
I do agree with this, but I also like that the mainstream media is calling attention to the current trend of Victorian sides knocking off higher placed 'interstaters' at the MCG in the grannie.

It's a trend worth keeping an eye on in a league that's supposed to be based on the principle of equalisation.
 

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So this was meant to be the start of the GWS dynasty, and clubs who were rebuilding during compromised drafts were supposed to be screwed for eons, and two of those clubs snaffle premierships and that's a harbinger of doom for the competition?

****. Me. Drunk.

People on this website are ******* crazy
 

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The only thing that lessened the spectacle yesterday was the inability of the Crows to match up to the pressure; Tigers were just far too good.
And yes, I know we did the same in '15.
 

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He has made a fair representation of what people outside the Vic bubble are thinking.

Dismiss it at your peril.
If that is the case, we didn't want you here in the first place. The elites did, not the fans. Beware of the road you are treading, or **** off back to the NEAFL or NRL.
 

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Look at this quote:
"If you want to look back a little further, Sydney — with a 10-point win against Hawthorn in 2012 — is the only interstate team since the great Lions sides of the early 2000s to defeat a Victorian opponent in a grand final."

That's because from 2004-2012
A period that is not being discussed in the article. It may be hard for you to understand, but "SINCE THE EARLY 2000S" MEANS FROM 2017 UNTIL THE EARLY 2000S.

2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 all have interstate teams losing to Victorian teams.

I like how you manipulated a whole bunch of data to get it to display something completely irrelevant to anything.
 

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Hardwick spent years trying to play a brand of footy that simply wasn't suited to his players.
We played an attacking brand back in 2012-13. Opposition coaches often remarked on our fast ball movement. But they started stifling us by stacking the backline, resulting in games like the one against a fledgling GWS where we had 65-33 inside 50's and struggled to get across the line.

The evolution of that plan was to hang onto the ball and slow things down. For years it worked reasonably well - we had the third-least points kicked against us from 2013-15 - but as others had warned it would, the possession game broke down in finals.

Last year we attempted to play a run-and-gun style, but it was flighty; flaky. It failed early and we spent the season in no man's land, blooding players as Hardwick spoke about "the best list I've had" while wallowing in the bottom third of the ladder.

And now this. Tackling and two-way pressure were rediscovered, and mentally-fragile players turned into frenzied beasts. I'm not going to try to explain it; there must be hundreds of people who deserve credit for the transformation.

Miracles do happen.
 

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Yup. The Tigers knocked over the other three top four finishers after the H&A season and they did so convincingly in do or die finals. The closest of those three only got within 36 points. The MCG may have slightly benefited the Tigers over the course of their finals campaign but it is not a 6 goal advantage. Therefore I'm pretty comfortable saying that Richmond are deserving premiers and this talk of the MCG factor is nothing but rubbish.
Bullshit the MCG factor is huge as is the Adelaide Oval for the crows. That's not to say you don't deserve the flag because you absolutely do.
 

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anyone complaining about a 'home ground advantage' for the Tiges at the 'G, we are happy for u to re-narrow punt road, give us our grandstand back, and we play any smaller games at our genuine home, Punt Rd Oval.

this isnt a footy issue in the end, it's geography/planning, and the lack of large north-south arterials in Melbourne's east. Unfortunately the Tigers stadium was parked right next to the major one, and not even footy has the clout to stand in the way of shorter commuting times.
 

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Article reads like it was written by a bitchy little Crows supporter.

Does make one good point though and that's about great teams of the past. Now there's an 18 team comp and with a better spread of talent among clubs, the premiers aren't going to have the depth of talent and superstars they previously had. It's something we'll have to accept when embracing equalisation and expansion.
 
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Kidding, right?
Where to even start with this article?

If anything I think it's a great thing that we've now got teams winning flags that are a bit of a surprise packet. Surely after seeing Brisbane, Geelong and Hawthorn win 9 flags in a 14 year period it's a good thing that the expected premiers aren't winning every year.

The finals stunk from a competitive point of view but the home and away season was a cracker.
Well that's kind of a big one.

I have never been so disheartened about the state of footy as I have since this finals series drew to a close, and that's speaking as a beneficiary of my team delivering an absolute thumping to its opponent in week 1.
 
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