Ricky Ponting

[Manbearpig]

So, you're saying the umpires interpreted that Ponting had control of his body as he was diving to catch the ball? A controlled dive as opposed to the boundary rope fielder impersonating a drunken sailor.

No, I think the difference is that Ponting touched the ball to the ground by his own choice. A fine line, but in theory the catch would have been completed before the ball touched the ground.

 

[Mr Reliable]

Different situation on the boundary though, if they carry the ball over the rope, or touch the rope, it's not out and 6 runs, so they throw the ball back into play to save a few runs if they know they can't take the catch without going over the boundary.

Not sure this is correct. DR's recall of a NZ fielder catching it and throwing it away is the same as mine. The catch is disallowed if you do this.

As MBP said, you've got to be in control of the ball and of your body.

 

[Manbearpig]

Not sure this is correct. DR's recall of a NZ fielder catching it and throwing it away is the same as mine. The catch is disallowed if you do this.

As MBP said, you've got to be in control of the ball and of your body.

I think everyone's got it correct here. What The Hippie said isn't wrong.

 

[DarwinRoo]

Why should they complain? If they did, the game would much, much worse. If they sub continent teams would stop whinging,the game would be 10 times better.

I did say to leave footy stuff out in my previous post.

Yeah right. Maybe the Indians, like myself, think that piss poor umpiring is a blight on the game and that goes for all sports?

This is a footy forum is it not?

 

[giantroo]

Yeah right. Maybe the Indians, like myself, think that piss poor umpiring is a blight on the game and that goes for all sports?

This is a footy forum is it not?

What can you do when you only have 8 test umpires? You wanna hold the ICC to ransom just because their umpires are shit?


Yet it is but were talking cricket.

My example with footy is this: This is exactly the type of shit that happened with the roos in the finals against Geelong and Hawks.

 

[Rick18]

I'd say the main problem coming out of this is the lack of umpires on the ICC panel - I believe it's only eight? Steve Bucknor - a good umpire but obviously past his prime, look back in the couple of series he's umpired in and there's been quite a few bad decisions.

When you think about it, remove Simon Tauffel and can you really think of a world-class umpire?

You've got to cop the good with the bad, if Australia were in India's position at the moment (without a Harbajahn), they would whinge about it for sure, but they would get on with it quickly, and concentrate on the next Test.

And one last thing. At the start of the series, Anil Kumble and Ricky Ponting had a meeting and they announced if anything was said on the field it was required to be reported to the umpires and match official.

So Ponting reports the incident, and he gets flamed for it? Twisted logic right there if you ask me.

 

[giantroo]

I'd say the main problem coming out of this is the lack of umpires on the ICC panel - I believe it's only eight? Steve Bucknor - a good umpire but obviously past his prime, look back in the couple of series he's umpired in and there's been quite a few bad decisions.

When you think about it, remove Simon Tauffel and can you really think of a world-class umpire?

You've got to cop the good with the bad, if Australia were in India's position at the moment (without a Harbajahn), they would whinge about it for sure, but they would get on with it quickly, and concentrate on the next Test.

And one last thing. At the start of the series, Anil Kumble and Ricky Ponting had a meeting and they announced if anything was said on the field it was required to be reported to the umpires and match official.

So Ponting reports the incident, and he gets flamed for it? Twisted logic right there if you ask me.

Exactly and this is exactly what i meant DR,when i posted that last line in my previous post. When we got hammered by the umps, didn't we get on to the next week and played better? Didn't we beat a team that was on a rise?

Why can't India do it? Why did Australia move on when we lost the Ashes? Didn't we go on and beat them again , 5-0?

If India could hold themselves together, they would be overtaking Australia at No.1 but they can't because they are stubborn and crap. They can't hack losing to the No.1 and that is why Australia is so much better.

 

[shinboner magic]

Yeah right. Maybe the Indians, like myself, think that piss poor umpiring is a blight on the game and that goes for all sports?

This is a footy forum is it not?

Its time for computers to take over all umpiring duties.

Who's with me on that.

 

[giantroo]

Its time for computers to take over all umpiring duties.

Who's with me on that.

Only the hard ones though.

 

[DarwinRoo]

Did Ricky Ponting accept the good with the bad when he chucked the shits in the locker room after being given out incorrectly even though he should have been out earlier.

And no we dont need technology. We need world class umpires for world class cricket.

India handled losing the first test pretty well GR but they didnt lose that one because of shithouse umpiring.

 

[sammy_18]

Did Ricky Ponting accept the good with the bad when he chucked the shits in the locker room after being given out incorrectly even though he should have been out earlier.

And no we dont need technology. We need world class umpires for world class cricket.

India handled losing the first test pretty well GR but they didnt lose that one because of shithouse umpiring.

the indian team r sooks and sore loosers

 

[giantroo]

Did Ricky Ponting accept the good with the bad when he chucked the shits in the locker room after being given out incorrectly even though he should have been out earlier.

And no we dont need technology. We need world class umpires for world class cricket.

India handled losing the first test pretty well GR but they didnt lose that one because of shithouse umpiring.

At least his not out in the media whinging about it.

Well you would have to wait another 15 years for that to happen.

Well we will see if they are a top side if they can come back and win at the waca.

 

[DarwinRoo]

At least his not out in the media whinging about it.

Well you would have to wait another 15 years for that to happen.

Well we will see if they are a top side if they can come back and win at the waca.

Could you be more of a hypocrite?

 

[Chief75]

Should a batsman walk? No I dont think they should, you get good decisions with the bad.

Do India have the right to moan about the bad decisions? Absolutely, I think the poor umpiring cost them a draw in this game. I think the analogy with what would happen if we (North Melb) lost a game due to poor umpiring we would be livid on this forum.

imagine, North down by 3 points in the 2008 elimination final against hawks. final siren about to blow, Edwards picks up just inside the 50m arc, baulks past Crawf and kicks a mongrel up and under that just makes the distance for a goal. But for some unfathomable reason the goal umpire calls touched on the line. I would be ropable.

Racism Ban of Habjarn: Harbajharn is a serial pest but he and lee seemed to be having a bit of banter before Symonds who is also no saint weighed into the arguement. What Harbajharn said was wrong and stupid, did it deserve 3 matches? I'm not sure, but it appears that the ICC is making an example of him here.

A general comment after being to the subcontinent a few times now. And Tony Greig made a good point on this the other day (probably his only good point ever). Whilst we wouldn't think twice about calling someone a F***ing C***, over there it is truely an affront. It isnt something that would be natural for an Indian to hear. Now Harbajhan is a big boy and has been around for a while so I dont think its a massive excuse but should be taken into acccount when we see retaliation like this.

Australia has done much for the game of cricket in recent times, I think we have single handedly saved test cricket, In the 90s we made a point to keep playing tests when none of the other countries were interested. But the one blight on the game has be controvesy when ever there has been a subcontinenet team touring here. With Sri Lanka, its always muralie throwing and the crowd calling him for a no ball each time he bowls it. With Pakistan it was about Shoib throwing. Now this. I dont know if it is our media stirring things up or what it is.

 

[The Other Dean]

the indian team r sooks and sore loosers

That's a bold statement.






















And it's even in a different font, too.

Impressive.

 

[RoyalBlue]

That's a bold statement.






















And it's even in a different font, too.

Impressive.

Somehow I think Kimbo would have a different take on it though.

 

[The Other Dean]

Somehow I think Kimbo would have a different take on it though.

It got pretty ugly last time sammy_18 and Kimbo crossed paths. Sammy put in a bold showing, and the encounter left them both black and blue.

 

[RoyalBlue]

It got pretty ugly last time sammy_18 and Kimbo crossed paths. Sammy put in a bold showing, and the encounter left them both black and blue.

Im actually laughing out loud.


LOL ROFL!!!!

 

[Manbearpig]

Did Ricky Ponting accept the good with the bad when he chucked the shits in the locker room after being given out incorrectly even though he should have been out earlier.

And no we dont need technology. We need world class umpires for world class cricket.

India handled losing the first test pretty well GR but they didnt lose that one because of shithouse umpiring.

Fair bloody dinkum.

If the Aussies had have won only one game on the trot and not 15, or if we had have won by an innings and 150 runs and not just 150 runs, do you think Ponting would be getting this attention for the exact same action?

The Aussies have always played cricket hard, and I as a huge cricket fan would be pissed off if they did anything half hearted. They haven't broken any rules, and in fact, the one bloke reported by the umpires was Indian FFS.

 

[Zondor]

DarwinRoo, not a fan of box.

So you're telling me that when DR plays cricket he doesn't box up?

 

[roobear]

I thought we were getting over cultural cringe.

 

[Manbearpig]

I thought we were getting over cultural cringe.

Well let's hope that this is the beginnings of a better understanding and we can stamp racism out of cricket and all sport for good.

 

[RoyalBlue]

Well let's hope that this is the beginnings of a better understanding and we can stamp racism out of cricket and all sport for good.

You're right, because after Singh's comments, Australia led the way and showed how cricket should be played.

 

[roobear]

Well let's hope that this is the beginnings of a better understanding and we can stamp racism out of cricket and all sport for good.

I agree with that, but I'm talking about the people who seem to be ashamed of being associated with a highly successful team that has a bit of **** about it.

So much of the talkback this week (and several posts on this thread) seems to be fuelled by some notion that we need to win nicely or not at all.

Bloody oath the Indians copped the rough end of the pineapple in the Sydney test. They have every right to be pissed about it. But this viewpoint that Australia needs to be less aggressive in their appeals to avoid mistakes caused by umpire intimidation is unbelievable. They are paid professionals FFS. It's not the players' jobs to ensure their emotional stability.

I see how people can get pissed off with over-exuberant celebrations of wickets, and some of the appealling. Gilly's "catch" off Dravid was eyebrow raising at best. But you temper the self-confidence (arrogance maybe) that this team has built up, and I dare say you will be watching a nice team that doesn't enjoy anywhere near the success that we have been treated to.

I'm willing to take the odd annoying reaction in exchange for full-on intense, aggressive, enjoyable, ultra-competitive cricket.

 

[pooley]

Rather damning article from arguably the most respected cricket writer in the game today.

Whilst I don't believe that Pointing should be sacked I thought it was an incredibly bad day for Australian cricket. I was actually wanting the INdians to draw as they did not deserve to lose and I wanted the test series to remain "alive".

Ponting 'must be sacked'
Peter Roebuck
January 8, 2008


RICKY Ponting must be sacked as captain of the Australian cricket team.

If Cricket Australia cares a fig for the tattered reputation of our national team in our national sport, it will not for a moment longer tolerate the sort of arrogant and abrasive conduct seen from the captain and his senior players in the past few days. It was the ugliest performance by an Australian side for 20 years. The only surprising part of it is that the Indians have not already packed and gone home.

That the senior players in the Australian team are oblivious to the fury they raised among many followers of the game in this country and beyond its shores merely confirms their own narrow and self-obsessed viewpoint.

Doubtless, they were not exposed to the messages that poured in from distressed enthusiasts aghast to see the scenes of bad sportsmanship and triumphalism presented at the SCG during and after the match. Pained past players called to express their private disgust. It was a wretched and ill-mannered display and not to be endured from any side let alone an international outfit representing a proud sporting nation. Make no mistake, it is not only the reputation of these cricketers that has suffered — Australia itself has been embarrassed.

The notion that Ponting can hereafter take the Australian team to India is preposterous. He has shown not the slightest interest in the wellbeing of the game, not the slightest sign of diplomatic skill, not a single mark of respect for his accomplished and widely admired opponents. Harbhajan Singh can be an irritating young man but he is head of a family and responsible for raising nine people. And all the Australians elders want to do is to hunt him from the game. Australian fieldsmen fire insults from the corners of their mouths, an intemperate Sikh warrior overreacts, and his rudeness is seized upon.

In the past few days, the Australian captain has presided over a performance that dragged the game into the pits. He turned a group of professional cricketers into a pack of wild dogs. As much can be told from the conduct of his closest allies in the team. As usual, Matthew Hayden crossed himself on reaching three figures in his commanding second innings, a gesture he does not perform while wearing the colours of his state. Exactly how he combines his faith with throwing his weight around on the field has long bemused opposing sides, whose fondness for him ran out a long time ago.

Michael Clarke had a dreadful match but he is a young man and has time to rethink his outlook. That his mind was in disarray could be told from his batting. In the first innings he offered no shot to a straight ball and in the second he remained at the crease after giving an easy catch to slip. On this evidence, Clarke cannot be promoted to the vice-captaincy of his country. It is a captain's primary task to rear his younger players and to prepare his successor for the ordeals of office.