Right Wing Extremism- Included in official terror warnings

[CM86]

Right wing extremism is increasing rapidly in America and across the world. Where is the line drawn for these movements?

What is the ultimate goal?
Why does anyone actually support these groups, these messages, these ideologies?

Why is there strong and vocal support on BigFooty?
How accepting of these dangerous views should we be as a society?


This isn't a matter of just worrying what these hate groups will become. It's a matter of worrying about what they are now, and have been for years. It's just getting worse.
But all we seem to do is listen to excuses, diversions, distractions. Or the incidents are normalised, minimised or twisted into an entirely upside down world view. Where you're no longer talking about the issue.

For years these racist hate groups and leaders have been called out as racists, and we have been told that 'the word racist has lost all meaning, because it's used too much'.
I believe the term 'racist' has lost a lot of meaning, because the bar for racism has been dropping steadily.

When you have people questioning if terms like 'Go back to where you came from' are actually racist, you have to wonder how far the bar has dropped already.



https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/e...cassidy-resolution_n_5d33c982e4b0419fd32de46b

A preliminary tally by the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism found that domestic extremists took the lives of at least 50 people in 2018, up from the 37 the previous year. Last year was the fourth-deadliest for extremist attacks since 1970, according to the report. And “every single extremist killing” in 2018 “had a link to right-wing extremism,” the report found. The FBI reported a 17% jump in hate crimes in 2017, its latest report, over the previous year.​

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The far right accounted for 73% of extremist murders in the U.S. between 2009 and 2018, according to the ADL data, compared to 23% by Islamic extremists. Acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan described white supremacist violence as a “huge issue” and an “increasingly concerning threat” in a Capitol Hill hearing just last month.​

50 deaths in 2018... Not assault, or threats, or intimidation. Deaths.

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Earlier this week, self-avowed neo-Nazi James Alex Fields Jr. was sentenced to life plus 419 years for deliberately driving his car into a crowd of counter-protesters at the 2017 white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer and injuring several others. ​

Self-avowed neo-Nazi... drove his car deliberately into a crowd of anti-fascists. He killed Heather Heyer and many more were lucky to survive.
And yet on these very forums we have people blaming the victims. Making excuses for a neo-Nazi. Surely if you find yourself siding with a neo-Nazi murderer, you would pause and take stock of your life?




The same people who explain that Trump isn't racist, defend these groups. Defend the actions of James Fields the neo-Nazi.
And if they are condemned for their views it's "so much for the tolerant left", "can't we have a discussion".
So instead we engage with their view, trying to explain why it's bat s**t ******* crazy. But this engagement just justifies their position. Gives them a platform. And it normally just solidifies the view of that person and others who might read or hear it.




Is there a point where society can say that we will no longer tolerate or accept this?
How far to we have to bend to appease these people, just because they tell us we are being unfair, or stopping free speech, or that we are actually the bigots for being bigots against bigots?
Why do we apologise for calling a racist a racist?

 

[CM86]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/21/us/charlie-rispoli-gretna-police.html

A Facebook post by a Louisiana police officer suggesting that Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez “needs a round”​

The officer, Charlie Rispoli, a 14-year veteran of the police department in Gretna, La., referred to Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, Democrat of New York, in a post on Thursday saying she “needs a round — and I don’t mean the kind she used to serve,” a reference to her past work as a bartender.​

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More 'funny memes' similar to what's posted on this forum. They are total fabrications, misleading, or deceptive. And it doesn't matter if the meme is explained as fake, because the message has already stuck.
And it leads to police officers, the protectors of the community, 'alluding' to murder.


But 'free speech' or 'lol they want to ban memes?' means this kind of thing is just growing.

 

[CM86]

A central theme of anti-LGBT organizing and ideology is the opposition to LGBT rights, often couched in rhetoric and harmful pseudoscience that demonizes LGBT people as threats to children, society and often public health.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/anti-lgbt

Anti-LGBT groups on the SPLC hate list often link homosexuality to pedophilia, claim that same-sex marriage and LGBT people, in general, are dangers to children, that homosexuality itself is dangerous, support the criminalization of homosexuality and transgender identity, and that there is a conspiracy called the “homosexual agenda” at work that seeks to destroy Christianity and the whole of society.​

How often have we seen this promoted even here on BigFooty?

How many times have you seen the following lies posted?








It doesn't matter how many times this lie is explained. How many times it's pointed out that it's a lie. How many times the lie is corrected... it's still believed by these people... It's still pushed and promoted by these people...

Why do we accept it? Why do we accept them?
Why are we more outraged about gender pronouns than we are about minorities being deliberately targeted by hate groups?

 

[medusala]

 

[medusala]

YOu cant even get KV to bite at your moronic thread. Surprised you havent managed to throw in a bit of Zionist bashing at the same time.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The genie's out of the bottle.

Neo-liberal economics is a con job. It's always been a system designed to help the few. But it needs electoral support from the riff raff. Murdoch has provided the template in the last 50 years. Convince them blacks, gays, women are after them. It's worked, a lot.

But the last decade or so has seen a semi-coherent intellectual theory emerge that has turned sections of this right deadlier than normal. This white replacement w ank has en element of urgency about it. As in, we need to act now before the tipping point. The need to act is dripping out of this theory, and has showed up on here. IMO this is what distinguishes it from the usual 'blacks commit too much crime' stuff that Dutton and co push.

 

[TimmeT]

The genie's out of the bottle.

Neo-liberal economics is a con job. It's always been a system designed to help the few. But it needs electoral support from the riff raff. Murdoch has provided the template in the last 50 years. Convince them blacks, gays, women are after them. It's worked, a lot.

But the last decade or so has seen a semi-coherent intellectual theory emerge that has turned sections of this right deadlier than normal. This white replacement w ank has en element of urgency about it. As in, we need to act now before the tipping point. The need to act is dripping out of this theory, and has showed up on here. IMO this is what distinguishes it from the usual 'blacks commit too much crime' stuff that Dutton and co push.

Or is it because the left started to attack those who they politically oppose and the right decided to fight back? It is funny how liberal loons seem to conveniently omit the fact that they started this s**t and it just so happens that the nutters of the far right happen to be even more crazsy violent than they are.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Or is it because the left started to attack those who they politically oppose and the right decided to fight back? It is funny how liberal loons seem to conveniently omit the fact that they started this s**t and it just so happens that the nutters of the far right happen to be even more crazsy violent than they are.

What are you defining as 'fighting back'?

 

[TimmeT]

What are you defining as 'fighting back'?

Protesting. Expressing their views through sources like media.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Protesting. Expressing their views through sources like media.

The media has been controlled by profit centric media since the whole shebang started. So what are you talking about?

And what protests?

 

[TimmeT]

The media has been controlled by profit centric media since the whole shebang started. So what are you talking about?

And what protests?

Either you are misrepresenting the point on media deliberately or you're too stupid to understand what is being referred to.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Either you are misrepresenting the point on media deliberately or you're too stupid to understand what is being referred to.

Corporately owned media represents the interests of the corporations who own them. They filter the news through the lens of their economic interests. This is only worsening as the corporate right buy up more and more local media.

Is this wrong, Timme?

 

[TimmeT]

Corporately owned media represents the interests of the corporations who own them. They filter the news through the lens of their economic interests. This is only worsening as the corporate right buy up more and more local media.

Is this wrong, Timme?

That's not the only source of media is it?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

That's not the only source of media is it?

No, there's a mediocre semi public broadcaster in the US and relatively well resourced public broadcasters in the UK and Australia.

There's a lot of other stuff, but their standards are so low they barely qualify as anything other than commentary.

 

[Mike Smyth]

A thread created by Cm86 the cultish Lefts most insane follower. This should be good.

Count how many times the words Nazis and Racist are used in this abomination.

 

[CM86]

The genie's out of the bottle.

Neo-liberal economics is a con job. It's always been a system designed to help the few. But it needs electoral support from the riff raff. Murdoch has provided the template in the last 50 years. Convince them blacks, gays, women are after them. It's worked, a lot.

But the last decade or so has seen a semi-coherent intellectual theory emerge that has turned sections of this right deadlier than normal. This white replacement w ank has en element of urgency about it. As in, we need to act now before the tipping point. The need to act is dripping out of this theory, and has showed up on here. IMO this is what distinguishes it from the usual 'blacks commit too much crime' stuff that Dutton and co push.

100%
It's subversive and well targeted.
Take a fact, add to it, embellish it, twist it and push it to the masses.

Like political correctness. Overall a good thing for society. Don't be racist, sexist, bigoted etc.
So political correctness is real, and it is being pushed on society... by society.

Now make out that it's being pushed by some unknown force... someone is trying to control you!
Now get some fringe element stuff that really doesn't effect anyone. "They are changing traffic signals to female images to appease this all powerful force..."
Sinister, with government control... oooh.

They continue to convince you that it's you vs this powerful outside force.
They've changed it from natural societal norms in your community... to this dark oppressor.

So now it doesn't matter what the issue is... you don't want to be controlled by this malevolent force... So you are fighting back.
It doesn't matter what the issue is, you're going to fight against it.
"A black James Bond? Not in my lifetime! PC gone mad!"

Then you have more and more people making a living from being anti-PC. And they are anti-PC by being racist, homophobic, sexist etc...
Then they are martyred, and again it's this dark powerful force behind it...
"Milo banned from Australia".

And now they tell you who these people are. Who this dark all powerful force that's been trying to control you for years, is...
Well, it's not just the Muslims anymore... now it's any immigrant. And they aren't just trying to control you, they are trying to replace you!
Anti-racists.
Anti-sexists.
It's people who oppose right wing extremism.

Now there is an army of people who are scared, furious and easy to direct.

Someone wants to reduce hate speech? "They are attacking free speech, they are trying to control you". "I don't agree with their views, but they have the right to say it on a huge platform internationally, and if you allow them their freedom of speech but remove the platform it's an attack on free speech".



So it's all based on the fact that political correctness is a real thing. But it lies about the source being societal norms... it twists the message to be about control "mind crimes", they go over the top on the impact and affect by embellishing, and they push it on the masses.
And we end up with people who don't consider themselves racist... siding with neo-Nazi murderers.

 

[EasternTiger]

CM86 if you're struggling for photos of blokes holding nazi flags, just go to the KKK website.

Timely, especially with all the NAZIS assembling on our shores.

While I was strolling down to the cafe to get coffee and muffins this morning, I imagined a world where people like you acted too late, and our great city was overwhelmed by the terrible sight and fearsome sound of German-built RWNJ tanks rolling down the main strip.

Sent shivers down my spine.

Tremendous thread 10/10 would read again.

 

[medusala]

Neo-liberal economics is a con job.

No. its without doubt the most effective economic system there is. No coincidence that when countries like Australia and the UK embraced neo liberal economics that things went so much better.

Like political correctness. Overall a good thing for society. Don't be racist, sexist, bigoted etc.
So political correctness is real, and it is being pushed on society... by society.

I am sure the rape victims in Rotherham, Rochdale, Bristol, Oxford etc think political correctness is really, really good.

Someone wants to reduce hate speech?

Invented piffle.

Anti-racists

Pfft. Like Jeremy Corbyn.

And here we have the filth pretending to be anti racists, fined for vilifying a Jewish person.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/hope-not-hate-sharon-klaff-apology-bookmarks-raid-anti-racist-katie-hopkins-1.486571

 

[CM86]

And here we have the filth pretending to be anti racists, fined for vilifying a Jewish person.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/hope-not-hate-sharon-klaff-apology-bookmarks-raid-anti-racist-katie-hopkins-1.486571

Ms Klaff has been at the centre of controversy within the Jewish community in recent weeks, after she co-hosted an event where far-right provocateur Katie Hopkins screened her anti-Islam documentary Homelands.​

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The event triggered huge outrage and was condemned by Jewish communal leaders.​

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Sir Mick Davis, the ex-Jewish Leadership Council chair and chief executive of the Conservative Party, wrote in the JC: "We cannot defeat antisemitism by teaming up with people who mindlessly hate Muslims.​

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"Our fight against bigotry cannot be fought alongside bigots."​

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Is that the same Kate Hopkins that Trump has been retweeting?

 

[Mike Smyth]

The face of "right wing extremism"...."NAZI!"

 

[Mike Smyth]

Another example of "right wing extremism"

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Anytime someone mentions fascism, a Twitter expert pops up to insist they're not using it properly. If there was a Nazi takeover, they'd probably still be insisting it's not technically fascism while they were being beaten to death by stormtroopers. But it's clear what we saw this week. You could feel the echo. Something profoundly ugly stirred in America. And like always, we watched, disconcerted, hoping it wouldn't contaminate us over here.

The anti-immigrant chants filled the space at Donald Trump's rally this week, directed against Ilhan Omar, a Mulsim Democratic congresswoman and American citizen. The president paused to let them grow. 'Lock her up' has morphed into 'send her back'. And just like that, the US took another small but noticeable step downwards towards moral disintegration.

The argument on fascist definition is not particularly helpful. There is no fixed definition, because fascism was never a unified intellectual project. It never really meant anything coherent. It shifted and spasmed, trying to fit the available political space. Under early Mussolini it contained futurist intellectuals, syndicalist pro-war socialists and violent nationalists. By the time he reached power it had dropped any left-wing pretensions and become a thug enforcement militia for large landowners. Hitler's Nazi party also talked a good game of wanting to challenge global capitalism, but did nothing to change property arrangements in power, except for confiscating it from the groups it wanted to kill.

All the other major political ideologies come from the great intellectual traditions of the 18th and 19th Century - conservativism's Edmund Burke, liberalism's John Stuart Mill, socialism's Karl Marx. You could have put those three men in a room together and they would have had a conversation. Who is there for fascism? No-one. Who the hell was going to have a debate with Mussolini or Hitler? No-one, unless they wanted to get shot. It was pure anti-intellectualism. As one fascist militant from the 1920s said: "The fist is the synthesis of our theory."

That's why there is no fascist definition, because it is too lacking in substance to properly pin down. There's just a collection of instincts. Robert O.Paxton, in his brilliant Anatomy of Fascism, did his best to elaborate on them. They include an obsession with national decline, combined with a pronounced sense of victimhood, the blame for which is pinned on a designated minority, in which a party or group of activists demonstrate their purity and patriotism by rejecting standard democratic and liberal legal safeguards, in collaboration with a traditional elite.

There are plenty of things about Trump which don't satisfy this kind of assessment - there's no outward military expansion, no stormtroopers, no internal liquidation programme, and not enough intellectual capacity in the commander-in-chief to maintain even this very modest level of political thought.

But waiting for fascism is not about sitting at home with a checklist, contenting yourself that everything is fine until someone ticks every single box. It's about being vigilant about the type of political behaviour which leads to fascism.

We have seen more than enough of that in the US to know what we're dealing with. Minorities have come under attack. The minorities are always immigrants. Sometimes, as with Omar, they're Muslims. Trump tried to initiate a complete ban on their entry into the US. Sometimes they're Mexicans, who he branded "rapists".

The minority is subjected to dehumanising language and treatment. Last week video footage showed vice-president Mike Pence touring an immigration detention facility where men were kept in overcrowded pens like dogs. Children are separated from their parents.

Trump utilises the classic fascistic device of associating himself with the nation, then branding any criticism of him an attack on the country. This instantly delegitimises opponents as lacking in patriotism - a liberal fifth column. He also attacks international and domestic institutions, including the press, the judiciary, the WTO and Nato - a typical move of authoritarians trying to amass more power.

He doesn't need to be a fascist, or even cerebrally capable of understanding the word, to behave like one. And by behaving like one, something vicious and ugly stirs in a nation. When angry mobs ran through France in 1898 targeting Jewish shops, they had no formal leader, apart from a few aspirational antisemitic journalists and gangsters. But the hatred spasmed out, fuelled by made-up grievance and a relentless press narrative of national decline blamed on enemy minorities. It is not so difficult to imagine something similar in parts of America now, albeit with a different target of Muslims and perhaps Latinos.

In Britain we sit and watch, but we are not exempt. There is nothing as obscene as Trump here. For all the bile thrown around after the referendum, most Brexiters in parliament and the media were commendably clear that the rights of EU citizens should be guaranteed.

But actually the most influential figures in Brexit have been the least restrained. Nigel Farage posed in front of his godforsaken 'Breaking Point' poster. The official Vote Leave campaign put out leaflets whose inclusion of Syrian and Iraqi immigration had a clear racial implication. Theresa May condemned 'citizens of nowhere', branded EU citizens queue-jumpers and refused to guarantee their rights, effectively threatening them with mass deportation. Boris Johnson's repeated racial and religious slurs are well documented. The attacks on institutions - press, judiciary, parliament, EU - are the same and arguably even more pronounced.

This ugliness is here too. It is not so severe, nor as widespread, but it is quite possible to imagine it becoming so. We have no inbuilt national immunity to it and there are plenty of hard-right politicians, most notably Farage, who are desperately trying to follow the Trump playbook.

There's no point getting wrapped up in a tick-list approach to fascism. Look at that rally. You know what you're seeing. That's the thing to fight. If there's a single good reason to ever be into politics in the first place, it's to fight things like that.

Week in Review: Something grim rises from Trump's rally

'Send her back': There's a bleak echo of history as the rhetoric around Donald Trump deteriorates, but will the UK catch the disease?

politics.co.uk

 

[Mofra]

Interesting tips, and the preamble provides some background data.

10 tips for covering white supremacy and far-right extremists

Two experts offer journalists tips to help them better understand and cover white supremacy and other forms of far-right extremism..

journalistsresource.org

Between 1990 and 2018, more than 217 people died in ideologically-motivated attacks by far-right extremists in the U.S., according to the United States Extremist Crime Database, maintained by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism at the University of Maryland. More than three-fourths of these deaths were caused by white supremacists.

 

[CM86]

The 19-year-old accused of opening fire in a synagogue near San Diego last month, killing one and wounding three others, was charged Thursday with 109 federal hate crimes and civil rights violations — making it possible for him to face the death penalty, authorities said.​

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John T. Earnest had been facing state charges of murder and attempted murder in connection with the April 27 attack on the Chabad of Poway, Calif. Federal authorities added dozens of charges of their own, alleging in a criminal complaint that the shooting was motivated by Earnest’s animus toward Jews and that he was also responsible for a March 24 arson at a mosque in Escondido, Calif.​

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Brewer said Thursday that Earnest had posted an online manifesto citing the Pittsburgh attack, as well as the recent attacks on mosques in New Zealand.​

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Brewer said that Earnest wrote in the post, “As an individual, I can only kill so many Jews.”​

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Lori Kaye, 60, of Poway was killed, and the three others wounded included a child. The San Diego County sheriff has said the shooter’s rifle malfunctioned after he fired inside the synagogue, and that might have prevented more carnage. The complaint says Earnest unsuccessfully tried to reload, and members of the synagogue moved to confront him. Brewer said Earnest had 60 rounds of ammunition.​

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The gunman fled but called 911 from his car and offered a chilling account of his motivation, Brewer said.​

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“I just shot up a synagogue,” Earnest said, according to Brewer. “I’m just trying to defend my nation against the Jewish people. They’re destroying our people.”​

 

[CM86]

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/white-supremacist-shooting-in-louisville-kentucky-kroger.html

Two black senior citizens were murdered in Louisville, Kentucky, on Thursday. Maurice Stallard, 69, was at a Kroger supermarket when Gregory Bush, a 51-year-old white man, walked in and shot him multiple times. Bush then exited the store and shot Vickie Lee Jones, 67, in the parking lot before an armed bystander reportedly fired back, prompting him to flee. Police were unable to confirm accounts that Bush encountered a second armed man, who engaged him in a brief standoff where no shots were fired, according to the New York Times. “Don’t shoot me and I won’t shoot you,” the man’s son, Steve Zinninger, claimed Bush told his father. “Whites don’t kill whites.” Police apprehended Bush minutes later.​

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Bush had no known connection to either of his victims. Any doubt of a racial motive seemed quelled when surveillance footage showed the shooter forcibly tried to enter a black church minutes before moving on to the supermarket. The Times reports that a member of the 185-year-old First Baptist Church of Jeffersontown grew alarmed when she saw Bush yanking “aggressively” at its locked front doors. Up to ten people were inside the chapel following a midweek service. “I’m just thankful that all of our doors and security was in place,” church administrator Billy Williams said.​

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If anything constitutes a uniquely repugnant act of violence, white racists murdering black Americans who endured the 20th century’s banner period of white racist violence in the U.S. and lived to tell of it qualifies. Yet we continue to see it unfold — and remarkably, often justified using the rhetoric of defense. “Y’all are raping our white women. Y’all are taking over the world,” shouted Dylann Roof as he massacred nine black people at a church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015. White supremacist James Jackson, who initially hoped to kill “younger [black] guys” who “put white girls on the wrong path,” settled for stabbing Timothy Caughman to death with a sword in New York City in 2017. “The white race is being eroded,” he later said.​

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He shared a story about "black on black crime" using the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag. He shared a meme about a marine punching an atheist professor. He shared another meme that said "knowing hate symbols is key to stopping crime," and featured a swastika next to a rainbow flag.​

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https://psmag.com/social-justice/how-the-news-flubbed-a-hate-crime-in-kentucky

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The last bit... how many times have we seen that on this site?...