Right wingers are less intelligent than left wingers

[Father Jack]

If left wingers are so smart, why do they need to rely on socialism to get by? Couldn't they just figure out how to exploit a capitalistic system to their advantage? Or is that something only low-IQ right wingers can achieve?

um, what?

 

[strung_out7]

If left wingers are so smart, why do they need to rely on socialism to get by? Couldn't they just figure out how to exploit a capitalistic system to their advantage? Or is that something only low-IQ right wingers can achieve?

It's called social democracy. I heard it's working out well and is very sustainable for Sweden

 

[The_Snake]

It's called social democracy. I heard it's working out well and is very sustainable for Sweden

Socialism can work in a homogeneous society. But as you begin to breakdown the homogeneous society while keeping these socialist laws, people will begin to exploit them and the country will begin to crumble. Sweden now is nothing like it was 30 years ago, and in another 30 years time it will be unrecognisable if it isn't already.

 

[The Delusionist]

Sweden now is nothing like it was 30 years ago, and in another 30 years time it will be unrecognisable if it isn't already.

What place is like it was 30 years ago?
And what part of Sweden will you not be able to recognise in 30 years?

There are parts of China that are very different to how they were 30 years ago, and I'd say that in another 30 years they will be very different again.

It doesn't mean much, but the misleading implications are often used to scare people into picking a 'side'.

 

[The_Snake]

What place is like it was 30 years ago?
And what part of Sweden will you not be able to recognise in 30 years?

There are parts of China that are very different to how they were 30 years ago, and I'd say that in another 30 years they will be very different again.

It doesn't mean much, but the misleading implications are often used to scare people into picking a 'side'.

Sweden was once considered the world's safest country. That title won't ever make its way back to Sweden. Violent crime, criminal gangs, no go zones, homicide etc infest Sweden these days. Just google crime in Malmo, some of the s**t that goes on in that city is beyond belief.

 

[ShanDog]

Socialism can work in a homogeneous society. But as you begin to breakdown the homogeneous society while keeping these socialist laws, people will begin to exploit them and the country will begin to crumble. Sweden now is nothing like it was 30 years ago, and in another 30 years time it will be unrecognisable if it isn't already.

Any examples of socialism working?

 

[strung_out7]

Any examples of socialism working?

Venezuela?

 

[Procrastinator35]

Venezuela?

Not really a good example of a Socialist system when the yanks keep on interfering & Exon Mobil keeps on stealing their oil.

Any examples of socialism working?

Cuba......Sweden was doing quite well as a Socialist Democracy until the E.U flooded it with refugees.

 

[The_Snake]

Any examples of socialism working?

In homogeneous Western societies, elements of socialism have worked in the past. Sweden and Denmark are examples of this. But as these societies become less homogeneous, the cracks start to appear and the system is exploited.

 

[ShanDog]

In homogeneous Western societies, elements of socialism have worked in the past. Sweden and Denmark are examples of this. But as these societies become less homogeneous, the cracks start to appear and the system is exploited.

So no fully fledged socialist systems have worked for any sustainable period of time, and the concept can theoretically only work in a monocultural environment which, these days, is very few places. Not really selling it.

 

[ShanDog]

Not really a good example of a Socialist system when the yanks keep on interfering & Exon Mobil keeps on stealing their oil.



Cuba......Sweden was doing quite well as a Socialist Democracy until the E.U flooded it with refugees.

What is it about Sweden that deems it a socialist democracy?

 

[Procrastinator35]

What is it about Sweden that deems it a socialist democracy?

A higher than average priority on social welfare....Socialism, much as is the case with Capitalism, comes in many shades, forms & guises.

What you are seeing in the U.S ATM, could hardly be described as free-market Capitalism.....What it is, in fact, is corporate crony Capitalism, where regulations are dictated to congress & the Senate by Monopolies & Multi National Conglomerates....Which, when combined with a para-militarized police state & destruction of civil liberties, makes it far more totalitarian in nature than anything a Social Democracy could approach.

 

[ShanDog]

Higher tax rates and subsequent spending on welfare has little to nothing to do with whether a nation has a socialist economy. The vast majority of utilities, business and production means are private in Sweden. It's even privatised a lot of its pensions. It's not socialist. Not even close from what I've read.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Higher tax rates and subsequent spending on welfare has little to nothing to do with whether a nation has a socialist economy. The vast majority of utilities, business and production means are private in Sweden. It's even privatised a lot of its pensions. It's not socialist. Not even close from what I've read.

Here you go mate.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...at-socialist-scandinavia-and-sweden-really-do

Most of the nonsense propaganda that you hear about the Nordic model not being a Socialist Democracy, comes from your usual Oligarchical spin merchants, who have a monopoly on the MSM....Greed & only greed is what informs their creed of misinformation, as Democratic Socialism is the one thing that unites all the Multi National Conglomerates in their desire to crush both Democracy & Socialism at any & all costs....For that is what they fear most.

The E.U policy of sending all of the worst elements of the Muslim refugees into Sweden, has been a deliberate ploy designed to destroy a system that has far greater credibility, efficacy & value than that of U.S Oligarchical fascism.

We are faced with 2 choices: Socialism or Barbarism....The U.S model, as it stands today, is prefaced upon a Master/Slave dynamic....If you want & prefer that model, then you are welcome to it.

 

[ShanDog]

Here you go mate.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...at-socialist-scandinavia-and-sweden-really-do

Most of the nonsense propaganda that you hear about the Nordic model not being a Socialist Democracy, comes from your usual Oligarchical spin merchants, who have a monopoly on the MSM....Greed & only greed is what informs their creed of misinformation, as Democratic Socialism is the one thing that unites all the Multi National Conglomerates in their desire to crush both Democracy & Socialism at any & all costs....For that is what they fear most.

The E.U policy of sending all of the worst elements of the Muslim refugees into Sweden, has been a deliberate ploy designed to destroy a system that has far greater credibility, efficacy & value than that of U.S Oligarchical fascism.

We are faced with 2 choices: Socialism or Barbarism....The U.S model, as it stands today, is prefaced upon a Master/Slave dynamic....If you want & prefer that model, then you are welcome to it.

Sorry, what argument is this article supposed to support? Because it seems like it criticises anyone who labels Sweden as a socialist state.

 

[Admiral Byng]

A higher than average priority on social welfare....Socialism, much as is the case with Capitalism, comes in many shades, forms & guises.

What you are seeing in the U.S ATM, could hardly be described as free-market Capitalism.....What it is, in fact, is corporate crony Capitalism, where regulations are dictated to congress & the Senate by Monopolies & Multi National Conglomerates....Which, when combined with a para-militarized police state & destruction of civil liberties, makes it far more totalitarian in nature than anything a Social Democracy could approach.

This is kinda the natural progression for capitalism. Free markets and competition tends to be a transient phase.

 

[Procrastinator35]

This is kinda the natural progression for capitalism. Free markets and competition tends to be a transient phase.

So all Capitalist systems tend towards Greed, Corruption & monopolies then?

The trouble with the U.S system is that it's reserve bank is privately owned....And has been since a bunch of corrupt congressmen sold control of their country out to the banksters back in 1913.....Which, coincidentally, heralded in the beginning of the first world War.

Not enough checks & balances on those in power & control of the legislature....All of those guys in the inner sanctum of congress back in 1913, ought to have been tried for treason then & there.

 

[Total Power]

Here you go mate.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...at-socialist-scandinavia-and-sweden-really-do

Most of the nonsense propaganda that you hear about the Nordic model not being a Socialist Democracy, comes from your usual Oligarchical spin merchants, who have a monopoly on the MSM....Greed & only greed is what informs their creed of misinformation, as Democratic Socialism is the one thing that unites all the Multi National Conglomerates in their desire to crush both Democracy & Socialism at any & all costs....For that is what they fear most.

The E.U policy of sending all of the worst elements of the Muslim refugees into Sweden, has been a deliberate ploy designed to destroy a system that has far greater credibility, efficacy & value than that of U.S Oligarchical fascism.

We are faced with 2 choices: Socialism or Barbarism....The U.S model, as it stands today, is prefaced upon a Master/Slave dynamic....If you want & prefer that model, then you are welcome to it.

Did you even read your article? LOL holy crap! you commentary on economics is nothing short of hilarious, you realise you are quoting US MSM above? Do you just google article to confirm what you already believe? let me educate you about the Nordic model.

The reason why these countries are wealthy is probably that they're democratic, open societies with a free market economy. There is no wealthy country without a market economy. This is was confirmed by the Danish PM. (yes part of NWO I know). Addressing Harvard University last year, Danish PM Lars Løkke Rasmussen tried to set the record straight. “I know that some people associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism’, he said. “I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.” and also fYi corporate tax rates in Scandinavia compare favourably with those of overtly capitalist countries. Sweden and Denmark’s are among the lowest in the EU 15, while Finland’s, at 20 per cent, is on a par with Britain. Norway has the highest rate of the five countries, but, at 27 per cent, is still significantly lower than America’s (nearly 40 per cent).

also swedens education system – inspired by the ideas of that well-known socialist thinker, someone went by the name of milton friedman LOL – allows parents to top-up the cost of private schooling with government-funded vouchers, and has led to a surge of choice and competition in schools.

The article you quoted conveniently failed to mention the facts about sweden in 70s through to the 90s. Here are the facts for you about why Sweden became a miserable place:



In the 1970s, the size of the Swedish state began to expand in earnest under successive socialist governments. Punitive taxation, including effective marginal rates that topped 100 per cent in some cases, prompted a mass exodus of wealthy citizens and entrepreneurs, including, famously, the filmmaker Ingmar Bergman and IKEA founder Ingvar Kamprad.

By 1993, when public spending had reached 67 per cent of GDP, Sweden had dropped from being the 4th richest nation in the world in the 1970s, to the 14th. Both Swedish and Danish citizens have since begun to reject “tax and spend” at the ballot box and recent years have seen a growth in support for centre-right parties, promising fiscal restraint.

https://capx.co/scandinavia-is-no-socialist-valhalla/

These are facts, argue with facts, not with fantasy.

And your comment about EU muslim refugee is just unedcuated bullcrap. People want to go to Sweden for the safety it provides for their family. EU actually is trying to divide the refugees equally all over EU , but guess what? it's not working, refugees are not going to settle in Estonia, they want Sweden, Norway, Denmark or Germany. Yes facts which you don't like.

Anyone who has done business in Sweden can you the freedom you have, compared to US this is a haven! in US i have to hire a ******* lawyer and do 100 of pages of useless paperwork for regulations which even the govenment doesn't understand what is it for. In Sweden its not even a fraction of that. The defense of private property and right to free market trade is what makes Sweden a capitalist society. Social programs don't equal socialism, Sweden had a socialist government not so long ago, the results were disastrous, i guess the websites you choose to read under the goverence of Bernie Vince doesn't mention that.

 

[Total Power]

Our socialist hero will save us all!

Basic economics p35, try it m8

 

[Total Power]

Any other proof do you need that this dummy doesn't understand how interest rates and markets work? all good, democratic socalism, without market economy you will have NOTHING. Play your verbal gymnastics card and wikipedia definition as much as you want, without market economy everything is a pipe dream.

 

[Todman]

A higher than average priority on social welfare....Socialism, much as is the case with Capitalism, comes in many shades, forms & guises.

What you are seeing in the U.S ATM, could hardly be described as free-market Capitalism.....What it is, in fact, is corporate crony Capitalism, where regulations are dictated to congress & the Senate by Monopolies & Multi National Conglomerates....Which, when combined with a para-militarized police state & destruction of civil liberties, makes it far more totalitarian in nature than anything a Social Democracy could approach.

So all Capitalist systems tend towards Greed, Corruption & monopolies then?

The trouble with the U.S system is that it's reserve bank is privately owned....And has been since a bunch of corrupt congressmen sold control of their country out to the banksters back in 1913.....Which, coincidentally, heralded in the beginning of the first world War.

Not enough checks & balances on those in power & control of the legislature....All of those guys in the inner sanctum of congress back in 1913, ought to have been tried for treason then & there.

Seems to contradict himself between posts.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Seems to contradict himself between posts.

How so?

 

[Kummerspeck]

also swedens education system – inspired by the ideas of that well-known socialist thinker, someone went by the name of milton friedman LOL – allows parents to top-up the cost of private schooling with government-funded vouchers, and has led to a surge of choice and competition in schools

That surge has lead to a shitload of shithouse free schools or rackets like Engelska skolar.

 

[madmug]

That surge has lead to a shitload of shithouse free schools or rackets like Engelska skolar.

So its a bit like the LNP Government here who by not acting when problems became obvious, have wasted billions on so many of these Cerificate courses in private institutions. So many have been substandard 'accelerated' courses which have cost the taxpayer a fortune. That was all because of the LNP ideology against such sectors as TAFE. So rather than address any shortcomings in TAFE, they have wasted $billions on these 'fraudulent' organisations. Clearly set up to hoover money in from a stupid ideologically driven Government.

 

[Total Power]

That surge has lead to a shitload of shithouse free schools or rackets like Engelska skolar.

The reason why people like to go to Sweden is cause most refugees like to country shop. The Procrastinator blamed the E.U above for Muslim immigrants but he has less than zero clue about what's going on. Since the collapse of the socialist government Sweden is a market economy, just like the rest of Scandinavia. Having lived in Sweden for almost a decade i wouldn't blame any of them for choosing Sweden, i would too if i were a refugee. To understand the Nordic model you need to have that mindset. I don't have the time to explain it for now, but people need to research more on the Nordic model and why Nordic model won't work elsewhere. It's not Democractic Socialism, it involves less government intervention in business and the economy than what the U.S. government is doing. The Nordic model is high-tax, high-redistribution capitalism rather than a government-intensive, centrally managed economy. The U.S. is more socialist than Scandinavia.

and all these social programs are a result of non-interventionist market economy in action.