Rising Stars

[Todman]

Since 2004 Melbourne have had 21 nominations for the Rising Star award. The only ones who are close to that is West Coast and Brisbane with 17 each. So if you compare St Kilda and Sydney with only 5 each in the last nine years......

It really highlights the problem that the club lack of being able to develop kids into senior players.

 

[PureFooty]

Yes, it does highlights the fact the the problem of developing player in the lack of being at the club

 

[Blackas87]

we get a lot because we play a lot of first year players, Sydney does a great job of letting youngsters build up strenghth before they play and and when their older guys retire the young guys are ready to step up but are too old for for the rising star. It's a great system they have.

St Kilda have have been playing with the same old list for years now, they haven't blood much new talent through those years.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Plus we get plenty because we don't have any older players holding them back. I remember when Col was first drafted - he didn't play too many games in his first few seasons as we had older, more experienced players keeping him out of the side, but these days we have so many gaps that these kids need to step up from Day 1.

We will start to be a better side when we don't have to rely on these young kids to make such a big impact in their first season.

 

[Crimson Azure]

In that time:

5 coaches (2 interim)
3 presidents
3 boards

I'd say a number of those nominated are decent players and a number aren't at the club anymore.

OP can you post a list of all nominated players for further discussion? It doesn't really make sense to say we've failed them all without individually breaking them down.

Davey was nominated, he won a B&F does that not count? He's not the only one to go on to have some success.

 

[PureFooty]

Of the top of my head Davey Rivers Morton Blease McDonald Gysberts Scully Trengove Jurrah Maric Rivers Mclean Sylvia Jones Buckley Bartram Frawley Petterd Garland Grimes Watts Tapscott That's 22 actually, but most would be in that lot...

 

[melbournemartin]

Jones even got 2

 

[Captain Jack]

Watts never got one. Gysberts got 2, Blease may have as well.

 

[rhaz]

Would have to think Viney is a strong chance to add to that list this week

 

[Cannon82]

we get a lot because we play a lot of first year players, Sydney does a great job of letting youngsters build up strenghth before they play and and when their older guys retire the young guys are ready to step up but are too old for for the rising star. It's a great system they have.

Sydney trade well, they don't develop players that well. Their reserves used to play in the Canberra league and regularly win by 200 odd points. I remember some player coming in to the senior side in "red hot form" after 60 odd touches in the magoos and he could barely get a sniff of the pill. Still happens in the NEAFL as Mitch Morton just kicked 11 goals against some mob.

 

[Todman]

21 nominations , 18 players = (Jones, Gysberts and Blease each got 2)

Still at club (stats to 2012)
Aaron Davey (2004) 158 games
Colin Sylvia (2005) 126 games
Nathan Jones (2006-7) 135 games
Colin Garland (2008) 78 games
Jack Grimes (2009) 53 games
Jack Trengrove (2010) 59 games
Sam Blease (2011-12) 21 games
Tom Mcdonald (2012) 22 games

Traded
Jared Rivers (2004) 150 games free agent to Geelong 2013
Brook McLean (2005) 94 games requested trade to Carlton 2010
Cale Morton (2008) 73 games to West Coast 2013
Tom Scully (2010) 31 games poached by GWS 2012
Jordon Gysberts (2010-11) 19 games traded to North Melb 2013

Delisted/Retired
Clint Bartram (2006) 103 games retired with bad knee
Matthew Bate (2006) 102 games delisted end of 2012
Ricky Petterd (2007) 54 games delisted end 2012, rookied by Richmond 2013
Austin Wonaeamirri (2008) 31 games delisted 2011
Liam Jarrah (2009) 36 games delisted 2012

 

[Captain Jack]

Well that tells a sorry tale.

 

[LeverPuller]

Sylvia's only played 126 games?
TOTAL?

Why do we bother...

 

[Carusiii]

Sylvia's only played 126 games?
TOTAL?

Why do we bother...

141
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-melbourne-demons--colin-sylvia

 

[rhaz]

Well that tells a sorry tale.

Why?? Most of the players still at the club have a long future with us - 3 of them are either captains or vice captain, and all bar Sylvia and Davey are under 25 and still improving. A lot of the guys that are gone are no fault of ours.

Gysberts and Sylvia are the only ones on that list that should be much much more than what they have become.

21 nominations , 18 players = (Jones, Gysberts and Blease each got 2)
Still at club (stats to 2012)
Aaron Davey (2004) 158 games - was great for us for quite a while
Colin Sylvia (2005) 126 games - nothing to be said
Nathan Jones (2006-7) 135 games - our best player
Colin Garland (2008) 78 games - solid servant, needs to improve a bit more
Jack Grimes (2009) 53 games - captain
Jack Trengrove (2010) 59 games - captain
Sam Blease (2011-12) 21 games - jury is out but looks like he could be a very good player for us
Tom Mcdonald (2012) 22 games - looks to be a 10 year defender

Traded
Jared Rivers (2004) 150 games free agent to Geelong 2013 - was great for us for a long time, its understandable why he left
Brook McLean (2005) 94 games requested trade to Carlton 2010 - turtle
Cale Morton (2008) 73 games to West Coast 2013 - lol
Tom Scully (2010) 31 games poached by GWS 2012 - not our fault
Jordon Gysberts (2010-11) 19 games traded to North Melb 2013 - development fail?

Delisted/Retired
Clint Bartram (2006) 103 games retired with bad knee - not our fault
Matthew Bate (2006) 102 games delisted end of 2012 - spud
Ricky Petterd (2007) 54 games delisted end 2012, rookied by Richmond 2013 - who knows, jury is still out.
Austin Wonaeamirri (2008) 31 games delisted 2011 - not our fault, family issues etc
Liam Jarrah (2009) 36 games delisted 2012 - DEFINITELY not our fault

 

[Sir Hugh Percy]

Why?? Most of the players still at the club have a long future with us - 3 of them are either captains or vice captain, and all bar Sylvia and Davey are under 25 and still improving. A lot of the guys that are gone are no fault of ours.

Gysberts and Sylvia are the only ones on that list that should be much much more than what they have become.

I like your sentiments, but i think it's naive and dangerous to conclude that we're just unlucky and it's not our fault. Would Riv, Scully, and McLean have wanted out if we had a strong 'culture' and they believed we were going places? Would Wonaeamirri and Jurrah have had their issues with such a strong culture? Would players that showed early promise like Morton, Bate, Gysberts and Petterd all have ended up on the scrapheap?

At some point you have to look at the figures like the OP has produced and say, "Whoa, what's going on here? We can't have got things this badly wrong just through bad luck." Some issues are unavoidable and all clubs have them, but the facts are that we've had access to a lot of youngsters that looked good early and then they've either stagnated, messed up, or gone elsewhere, far more so than at any other club. And we can't bury our heads in the sand about it longer or it's just going to keep happening. We need to set the bar high for all young players coming to the club, give them all the assistance imaginable to reach those heights and get tough with them if they can't take it seriously.

 

[Topkent]

Could you imagine us if we still had wona and jurrah in the team

 

[Captain Jack]

Yeah rhaz I know what you mean, but in reality with all those nominations from 2004-2009 we should have by now gone beyond hanging our hats on them four years later. Just shows what a pathetic excuse for a club we have been for 7-8 years really.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Could you imagine us if we still had wona and jurrah in the team

Always in the back of my mind mate. If only...