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  1. Aphrodite

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  2. LCBlues95

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    Heard Levi was there saying "a little bit left more"
     
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    Point posts should be removed when Levi is kicking for goal. :D
     
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    He is that accurate now, he no longer needs posts ;)
     
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    Are you absolutely sure about that??? Did some nice things throughout the JLT series for sure, but 1 clanger for every 3 disposals would suggest he's having a little trouble reconciling ambition with ability atm. SOS didn't bring O'Shea onto main list just for his good looks, sexy tatts and charming personality you know. Rather than worrying about Jones, go and watch O'Shea in the last quarter. My point being select on merit rather than emotion. If it was Weitering or Marchbank making a clanger for every 3 disposals then I'd be looking at replacing one of them, but it's not is it???

    ASOS has missed most of preseason and had a hit out with the NB in Tassie. Still a little way off yet before being ready. Need to remember my selection of O'Shea is very much a horses-for-courses selection for Round 1 and his good form warrants it against a smaller forward line rather than not rating Jones. I think a week in the magoos getting back to basics won't hurt Jones. I'd bring back Jones for the Suns game where a gorilla tamer is required against Lynch & Wright. They also tend to rotate Witts through there. After that I'd go with form. That could mean maybe we prefer O'Shea over Weitering, Marchbank or Plowman at a given time based on form.

    How's Camilla???

    Love your enthusiasm, but that's a big, big call. Would be a great story if it happened though. We need our 2nd tier players to be exerting pressure and competition for spots through good form. Likewise you need to reward that good form rather than just select someone you're comfortable with otherwise there's no point having them. All of ASOS, Macreadie & O'Shea will be pressing hard for selection at various points during the year and that means someone gets squeezed out. Right now that person is O'Shea and he's right up Jones' ginger.

    Meanwhile O'Shea's DE purred along at 80% in that very same game in that very same backline in that very same manic last quarter.

    Quite comfortable moving Marchbank or O'Shea onto Riewoldt should he get hold of Weitering. Riewoldt isn't gorilla size. Besides, it won't matter who plays on Riewoldt if the HFs and midfield fail to exert a reasonable amount of pressure on the ball carrier. Hawkins also exposed Jone's lack of a tank by dragging him all over the field and Riewoldt certainly has excellent endurance for a KPF.

    Too many sleeps. FFS.
     
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    I suspect this will be a massacre of sorts.

    Premiership teams tend to come out firing on all cylinders, particularly in big games. They're strength, in forward pressure, is also built to ruin young opposition who can't hold the nerve, and that is us right now - as per the first half vs Hawthorn. Plus their midfield should dominate which means the ball will spend more time up there...

    I actually see this game being the darkness before dawn. A 100pt loss that shows against a rampant Richmond (uggghh) that show our now rebuilt bunch of youngsters where they have to get to. Then we bounce back at home vs GCS in round 2, win 2/3 after that and begin our fist steps up to the top...
     
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    :seven: tomorrow.

    We need a countdown clock.

    Where is thylacine60 FFS.
     
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    We are just finding our feet with new players and a more attacking game plan. If we are within 6 goals come the end of the game its a good result for us.

    Richmond will be brutal and take no prisoners. Here's hoping we hold our nerve. The pressure will be double JLT and Richmond looked the goods.

    Fingers crossed on zero injuries
     
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    Can't see that happening.
     
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    so impatient..........
     
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    Don't ever ... EVER stop posting champ!!!
     
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    Two counter-points I'd like to get your thoughts on:

    1. Is it at all possible that Jones' poorer efficiency stems from the fact that he's being tasked with making high-reward, aggressive plays from the backline in an effort to get the ball out in front of our runners? Effective disposal isn't always effective if you get my drift - and just because you get the ball to a teammate it doesn't mean you've actually furthered the play. Obviously, giving the ball to the opposition is worse, but if we're wanting to develop a more aggressive aspect to our gameplan then at some point we need to accept that mistakes will be made in the interests of education and development.

    2. If O'Shea is a clearer better option than Jones against a smaller forward line, why did we roll with Marchbank/Jones/Plowman in JLT1 and the same 3 + Weiters in JLT2, against sides with small forward lines? Wouldn't it make a lot of sense to get a few games into Marchbank/Plowman/O'Shea as a defensive unit before throwing them together in round 1 against the reigning premiers?
     
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    O'Shea = good depth imo
     
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    Thy already has his countdown clock. :seven: days...




    ...until the ******* teams are announced.
     
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    LIFT YOU OLD RELIC!!!!!!

    FFS>


    oops caps lock was on .....


    still



    LIFT!
     
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    I've got 7 probable changes between then and next week which is a reasonable amount:

    Rowe > Jones
    Macreadie > Byrne
    Docherty > Dow
    Gibbs > Kennedy
    Armfield > Fisher
    Smedts > Garlett(/Lang)
    White > Cuningham(/Williamson)

    There's an argument to be made that the sum of our outs (at rd 1 2017) is less than the sum of our ins (at this point in time). On top of that there's a healthy increase in experience and another preseason for the younger guys who were there in rd 1 (Plow, Weit, March, Pickett, Jack, Cripps, SPS, Charlie) not to mention that Jones, Casboult and Daisy appear to be doing a bit better than this time last year.

    There was a 43 point margin rd 1 last year which was reduced to 26 points in rd 14 so the trend would suggest a 9 point loss (if you can make anything of that). Who knows, maybe we'll really push them hard this time, maybe we can somehow sneak a win....
     
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    I'm not sure what I'm on, but I've read in this thread that Jones either shouldn't play round one, or that Rowe is better than him... I assume I'm hallucinating because no rational person would write that on purpose.

    Edit: no, I misread the Rowe is better post... unless there's a suggestion that Dennis is better than Fisher... which I'm sure there couldn't be...
     
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    ">" isn't being used to mean greater....in the post above yours - it fooled me until I read what followed which I think is a fair argument.
     
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    Interesting side, bold to omit Jones

    But when Grigg does eventually go in the ruck, we wouldn't have an appropriate Beast to take Nankervis resting forward.

    Personally i would play Jones, he is still agile enough to handle a smaller opponent.
     
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    Not ideal meeting a confident, fit and almost injury free Richmond (apart from Houli who is in their best 18) in round 1.

    Their pre-season games showed a team still on a high from their premiership win; playing unbelievably tough and skilled footy.

    To be anywhere near them we need absolutely everything to go right:
    • Must pick the best 22 to beat Richmond. Harry misses because he has shown little in JLT and we need the extra midfielder. LOB misses because he is simply not ready (will still play his 12-15 games this year). I think Bolton will go with "more experience the better for this one". With Mullett or O'Shea picked as the 22nd player - both can play back to release Cuningham/Simmo/Byrne up the ground if needed.
    • Cannot pick players with limited prep. Although I see Lang, Williamson & possibly Garlett as best 22 they cannot play. Playing a half fit SPS is a risk which I think they will take...but no matter how good he is..its a risk.
    • Must get the matchups right. The two key matchups are obviously Dusty & Rance. Who plays on them and how do we negate them?
    • Kruez to dominate. He, Cripps and Kennedy (so important on the inside) provide that hardness and edge we need to hopefully get first hands on the ball.
    • Will need experienced players to stand up. Murph, Kruez, Simmo, Thomas, Jones, Wright and Lamb have to be at the top of their game. Murph has to LEAD, Simmo must show composure deep in the backline and hit targets, Wright can't fumble chest marks..
    • Hopefully the boys learnt a lot from that first high pressure quarter against Hawthorn. We panicked and had no composure - no doubt the coaching group would have reviewed this hard, as Richmond will provide 4 quarters of this pressure...not just one.
    • Entries in to the forward line are key...kick it where Rance aint is rule number one. Honour the lead is two. Constant movement and separation of players is three. Slotting our chances is a must.
    • Two way running is expected. Richmond run in hordes...we have to run with them or they will dominate.

    MY TEAM

    B Plowman, Jones, Weitering,
    HB Cuningham, Marchbank, Byrne
    C Fisher, Kennedy, Simpson
    HF Wright, Charlie Curnow , Jack Silvagni
    F Pickett, Casboult, Thomas
    FOL Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy
    I/C SPS, Ed Curnow, Dow, Mullett/O'Shea


    In saying all that, I see Richmond as a formidable opponent at the top of their game. Our hope is that we come out of this game with our heads held high (season opener boys! 90000 people and a million plus watching on prime time tv..), no injuries, and a belief that we can hold our own against a very good side.
     
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    Yeah sorry. Just used it to indicate the replacements.


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    Tigers are up and about and we have put a couple of games together against team who have had the wood over us.

    If we are on then I think we can give them a scare Round 1. I think the game will be determined by our midfield pressure and the ability of our tall defenders to take intercept grabs rather than spoil.

    My team to cause an upset:

    B Plowman, Jones, Weitering
    HB Simpson, Marchbank, Byrne
    C Fisher, Kennedy, SPS
    HF Lamb, Charlie , JSOS
    F Wright, Casboult, Thomas
    FOL Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy
    I/C Ed, Dow, Cuningham, Pickett

    Emergency: Mullet O'Shea Harry


    Why?

    Harry - not offered enough yet and we need extra mobility
    Williamson - I think he is best 22 but he needs games
    Mullet and OShea - haven't seen enough but Bolts may have - either may take Cuninghams spot who I like for his potential
    Pickett - he is starting to provide something - we need X factor and speed
    Interchange allows to go smaller down back and in the middle
     
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    Possible??? I'd say highly probable. Effective disposal is never effective when you turn it over. So do we select player B who can play the same position and execute the game plan better or do we compromise the game plan to accommodate player A??? Once we start selecting a side based upon making excuses rather than rewarding good form we are doomed.

    • Fairly sure they'd have done plenty of that at training; and
    • It's up to O'Shea to unseat the incumbent so he may not have been in the frame originally as best 22. The fact he was left on the bench until the last 24% of game time may (and I only mean may) support that theory. O'Shea made a pretty compelling case for selection in that 24% of game time.
    SOS didn't put O'Shea on the list for depth when we already had Macreadie, ASOS & Rowe.

    Soft post Arr0w. Must have balls to make big calls.

    Your team for your reasons. Good to see.
     
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    Yeah, it took me a moment to digest what I was reading... I think off the back of the Jones not playing round 1 statement, I figured there must have been a bandwagon on which A LOT of drugs were being taken.
     
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    So you prefer O'Shea to Jones, apparently for his superior disposal?

    Sure, let's take away Jones' elite spoiling, intercept marking and ability to impact contests and replace him with someone who has serious question marks over his own disposal and nowhere near the athleticism or aerial attributes of Jones.

    I'm a fan of Jones' attacking kicking, the occasional clanger comes with taking risks out of the back half.
     
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