Autopsy Roast and Toast v Essendon & Changes For WCE

[wegetpumped]

I just watched it, he comes off the ground looking proppy - but walks himself off. I don;t really see the whole hands in his face thing tho. Looks like he gets a water bottle and has a drink. No one is running over to him and talking to him. Just sits on his own and looks pretty normal. Is there an actual injury reported? The guy is coming of 2 years off -the odds of him being proppy were always going to be high. As long as its not a re-aggravation of a serious type of injury i don't see much reason to stressing over it

Watch it properly as Smith goes up to him when he sits down, then he looks peeved at talking to the trainer.

 

[wegetpumped]

hes finished. time to move on

I think so, also just not built for hard footy.

 

[SleepingGiant]

If you think we should keep Prestia on you are off your ****.

Body is cooked. No point only having 5 experienced players is half of them are always injured. Club needs to move him on and replace with another experienced mid at a similar age who is not physically cooked. Availability needs to be the #1 KPI on anyone over 30

Prestia and Lynch are needed next year, we have stuff all midfield depth and our forwards are still a year off impacting. They can play second fiddle to blood youngsters but their mentorship will be vital for another year. No point moving on Balta either, his trade value after this year will yield too little based on his ceiling. Keep him another year at least and ship him and Taranto off to Tassie for elite picks.

 

[Bojangles17]

What makes you say that? Would have very little currency atm.

Parents moved back west if it was thrown up never know

 

[tigerisland]

To confirm, im certainly not saying we should move him on or anything, I think he was 100% the correct hire from what we had to choose from at the time.

I was a lot more vocal in the final Dimma years than I have been of late as i saw a clear drop in our standards & for one of the first times in my life, disliked the group that were running & playing for our club. I also was pretty vocal that history shows that when a generational, culture changing coach like Dimma, Sheedy, Pagan etc moves on from a club, almost always, the next coach fails to achieve any real success. What you hope for most is they wont send your club backwards.

Yze at worst has made the place a healthy environment again & that alone has made him already a "success", i'm just not sure if he has the tools to be a Top 4 / Premiership coach. Reading articles like the below about Jack Graham under Mini's leadership, makes me even more convinced.

Eagle banned for using homophobic slur

Jack Graham has admitted to using a homophobic slur during a match against GWS

www.afl.com.au

Dimma poisoned the club with his affair and arrogance. He poisoned the group. I've seen it in companies before where a personality thinks they are so much responsible for the success that instead of doing their job of uniting the company, they made a faction of "Team Dimma" & "the rest". Fit in, or **** off. The chemistry between the young and old group was non existent. Yze though has made the club close to being "100% Richmonds" again. I think he might have to make some tough calls on Lynch, Balta to get fully to 100%.

However, its pretty hard to ignore just how poor the quality of games have been at times. They style has provided some games of pure slop. I would certainly not be looking at sacking him before the end of his contract & unless someone undeniably better comes available/interested ( ie McCrae, Kingsley etc ), i'm happy for them to extend him 1-2 years as the clubs bigggest issue when he arrived was the complete breakdown of the culture, & he does appear to be fixing that.

Not sure what “leadership” you are referring to regarding mini. Graham self reported. Makes no mention of Mini getting involved. Graham knows it would have all come out eventually and the sanction would have been far worse when it did.
The game is now at a point where success is not driven by just the coach. It is the entire organisation. Great organisations make the transition. For example Geelong Thompson-Scott or Sydney Roos-Longmire.
Making all these judgements on Yze not being able to win a premiership is just comical at this stage of the list’s development.

 

[Ralll]

Over-coached for sure.
The saying used to be politics and sport shouldn't mix.
I'd add "science" to that statement.

People from overseas used to marvel at the spectacle that AFL was, the long goals, the high marks, the explosive runs. Now it feels all very robotic, stage-managed and vanilla.

Over coaching doesn't even work.
The 05/06 teams had the two clear top teams playing that defensive flooding style that I believe each would have won if they dared play properly.
Geelong took over after that (thank god) playing exciting attacking footy, Hawthorn from there similar but more kicking orientated, Richmond from there attacking, Brisbane/ Melbourne/Collingwood all attacking styles. Even Ross led StKilda in '10 were averaging 100pts a game.
The historic data clearly shows attacking teams > defensive teams.
Why clubs allow coaches to implement defensive styles I have no idea. It could limit losing margins by suffocating the game but that's about it, and comes with a heavy price of player/team development. I believe this is why North are stuck in endless loop of failure with over coached defense orientated footy.

 

[Bojangles17]

Tom brown , v e r y good game

 

[TigerMoz1973]

We just won with a forward line of MRJ, Faull, Campbell, Sims, Kozzie and Hotton. Just actually stand back and look at that and think about that. How the **** did we win?

Nic Martin going down early helped. From memory he smashed us last time.

 

[TigerMoz1973]

Get him in the forward line imo. Then he can go back to defence next year.

NO. He should never ever play in the forward line. It never works out

 

[DickieKnee]

It’s not about wins, I’ve said it multiple times. It’s about the game style or identity we are trying to forge- you just can’t see it. For mine this is a coaching problem not a playing personnel problem.

Nobody in their right mind is talking about winning games, it’s the way we go about it. Clear as mud what we’re trying to do.

But learning how to win, especially the close games is a key aspect of development.

 

[Muddiemoose]

But learning how to win, especially the close games is a key aspect of development.

As our old coach used to say
Sometimes you need to win ugly

Winning is never a bad thing

 

[Madtiger2006]

No change. Beat eagles and still have picks 2 and 3 for now

 

[Cherki]

Such a great ugly win!!! Loved it. Enjoy.

Good result for Vlastuin.

Thanks mate. Also enjoyed watching your mob today. Thanks for pick 3 xo

 

[RJK Tiger]

Not sure what “leadership” you are referring to regarding mini. Graham self reported. Makes no mention of Mini getting involved. Graham knows it would have all come out eventually and the sanction would have been far worse when it did.
The game is now at a point where success is not driven by just the coach. It is the entire organisation. Great organisations make the transition. For example Geelong Thompson-Scott or Sydney Roos-Longmire.
Making all these judgements on Yze not being able to win a premiership is just comical at this stage of the list’s development.

Mini was Dimma's boy. When he got a coaching job, first thing he did was recruit in Baker & Graham - which is exactly what people do who want to create a "fit in, **** off" culture. You get 2 guys in who you know will follow your call, exactly like Malthouse did with Daisy at Carlton. I will never forget how petulant and destructive both Graham & Baker were in their final season, especially Bakers B&F speech.

Thinking i should golf clap Graham for turning himself in about the slur, while also sighting "he only did that as it was clear it was going to be an issue" says it all. Despite turning himself in, the AFL still gave him a month off for it - so clearly they didn't fall for his dishonest attempt at being "honest".

So, to summarize - When Mini took on the Eagles job the 2 guys who brought in was a bloke who gave one of the worst leaving B&F speeches ive ever heard, by a player Richmond rookied, and was privliged to win a flag with - & a bloke who Dimma thought was "Captain" material, who after nearly a decade in the game is getting suspended for a month for calling someone a homophobic slur.

So f-ing glad to see all 3 of them in other club colors. With leadership like that the Eagles will struggle. Graham was on the scrap heap with us and the AFL. Mini gave him a chance at the Eagles & in his first season he has been rubbed our for doing a grub act like that. I can assure you that the young group would cringe at a bloke using those types of slurs.

I mean ffs - "self reported". The game was played on the 4th July & he got rubbed out on the 13th July. Turning yourself in because you know you are about to get busted is not honourable. IF he truely was turning himself in he would have reported it within 24hours

 

[Maylandsman]

If we won a grand final like that,I would not give a fat rat's clacker.

If it was a state of origin game,best game of all time.

Had a rugby maul vibe about it.

If two teams with abysmal skills made the gf I would be amazed.

 

[peterand]

You'd think with the money he's on, he'd get his teeth fixed

Probably on the stand rule don’t move the F wit

 

[peterand]

He might have to play forward. Sims while developing isn’t up to it physically yet.

Ah unless he’s superman and can fly home quickly and beat the curfew he isn’t playing next week

 

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

Out: Kosi (delisted)

In what world, do you take a mark on the goal line and then handball to a bloke who isn’t expecting the ball and tell him to kick the goal while there’s 2 blokes around him

Extraordinary stuff

 

[tigerisland]

Mini was Dimma's boy. When he got a coaching job, first thing he did was recruit in Baker & Graham - which is exactly what people do who want to create a "fit in, **** off" culture. You get 2 guys in who you know will follow your call, exactly like Malthouse did with Daisy at Carlton. I will never forget how petulant and destructive both Graham & Baker were in their final season, especially Bakers B&F speech.

Thinking i should golf clap Graham for turning himself in about the slur, while also sighting "he only did that as it was clear it was going to be an issue" says it all. Despite turning himself in, the AFL still gave him a month off for it - so clearly they didn't fall for his dishonest attempt at being "honest".

So, to summarize - When Mini took on the Eagles job the 2 guys who brought in was a bloke who gave one of the worst leaving B&F speeches ive ever heard, by a player Richmond rookied, and was privliged to win a flag with - & a bloke who Dimma thought was "Captain" material, who after nearly a decade in the game is getting suspended for a month for calling someone a homophobic slur.

So f-ing glad to see all 3 of them in other club colors. With leadership like that the Eagles will struggle. Graham was on the scrap heap with us and the AFL. Mini gave him a chance at the Eagles & in his first season he has been rubbed our for doing a grub act like that. I can assure you that the young group would cringe at a bloke using those types of slurs.

I mean ffs - "self reported". The game was played on the 4th July & he got rubbed out on the 13th July. Turning yourself in because you know you are about to get busted is not honourable. IF he truely was turning himself in he would have reported it within 24hours

Ok. Thanks for the explanation. I read your post as saying something completely different. I agree with you. I am glad the Dimma club has been broken up.

 

[peterand]

Ross did a great job tagging Merret too. Completely toon him out of the game

Yes he may have found a new role for himself Ross

 

[peterand]

Half of those were dodgy flags from 500 years ago.

And the other half when they were coached by ex tiger great

 

[Bojangles17]

Mini was Dimma's boy. When he got a coaching job, first thing he did was recruit in Baker & Graham - which is exactly what people do who want to create a "fit in, **** off" culture. You get 2 guys in who you know will follow your call, exactly like Malthouse did with Daisy at Carlton. I will never forget how petulant and destructive both Graham & Baker were in their final season, especially Bakers B&F speech.

Thinking i should golf clap Graham for turning himself in about the slur, while also sighting "he only did that as it was clear it was going to be an issue" says it all. Despite turning himself in, the AFL still gave him a month off for it - so clearly they didn't fall for his dishonest attempt at being "honest".

So, to summarize - When Mini took on the Eagles job the 2 guys who brought in was a bloke who gave one of the worst leaving B&F speeches ive ever heard, by a player Richmond rookied, and was privliged to win a flag with - & a bloke who Dimma thought was "Captain" material, who after nearly a decade in the game is getting suspended for a month for calling someone a homophobic slur.

So f-ing glad to see all 3 of them in other club colors. With leadership like that the Eagles will struggle. Graham was on the scrap heap with us and the AFL. Mini gave him a chance at the Eagles & in his first season he has been rubbed our for doing a grub act like that. I can assure you that the young group would cringe at a bloke using those types of slurs.

I mean ffs - "self reported". The game was played on the 4th July & he got rubbed out on the 13th July. Turning yourself in because you know you are about to get busted is not honourable. IF he truely was turning himself in he would have reported it within 24hours

U make more sense these days RJK , bang on with alot of that and I too haven’t forgotten how bakes disgraced himself , made me think not even close to captain material that bf speech night

 

[peterand]

Reckon Taj is going to be better than Lalor

Now that is a great problem to have two Guns

 

[THE_GUN]

Out : Kosi
In : Blight

 

[Karp3_dm]

Oh golly

I’ve heard the same about Whitfield too