Autopsy Roast & Toast - Round 2 v Collingwood & changes for GWS Rd 3

[Waca Jr]

One from left field.. how about Jack at CHB when he comes back? Take Rance's role or something similar to that.

Lynch, Balta and Caddy up forward is tall enough..

No

 

[Hans McGregor]

Out: Riewoldt, Grimes, Weller

In: Balta, Garthwaite, Caddy

Markov and Ellis obviously deserve to get dropped, but who comes in for them? Menadue? Would he be any better?

Also don't fancy bringing in debutants against GWS. Ross should and will get a chance soon though.

 

[prodigy1311]

how now brown cow

Racist. Cows have feelings...!

 

[parmy2balmey]

Racist. Cows have feelings...!

udderly ridiculous

now i feel like a rib eye and sucking on some big brown t***ies

 

[Bazzar]

Not sure about this decline stuff.
Only THREE games ago we went into a Preliminary Final as favorites, but unfortunately had a massive hiccup, 2 games ago was the standard Carlton round 1 grand final game, and we have lost '15, '16, '18 and now '19 round 2 games.
Rance is a massive loss, plus "minor injuries" and a suspension are forcing coaching staff to readjust. Four to five weeks is a better time frame to panic.

 

[tigerz18]

The game against Collingwood was a debacle. They have our number and their ball usage is 2nd to none. They ran rings around the midfielders and small forwards. the hunting in numbers works well against teams who dont spread the ball as well. Pies just hit target after target after target and were a fraction quikcer all night. but that adds up and leads to the team chasing tail for 120 minutes. Normally the team can handle this for about 3.5 quarters and the other team falters and that's when they run over the top. The Pies didn't relent though and refused to give up the ball.

The majority of the team to have 0-1 tackle means that we were too slow. you add 1-2 tackles per person and you are looking at around 30 more tackles for the game, meaning about 30 less initial possessions, which in turn leads to 30 more marks/ possessions downfield - so around 50-60 less possessions for the pies.

Had the team stuck more tackles, the result looks completely different, and it would have been a closer game.

This week will be very similar - the team needs to stick the tackles and turn the ball over or risk another game where the giants play against witches hats.

Outs: Grimes, Reiwoldt,
Ins: Garth, Balta

I don't think wholesale changes are needed - the smalls forwards are on notice though (except Rioli and higlet) and if Dusty is not right, maybe it will be time to give him a week or 2 off to visit his dad again. They can't allow him to not be 100%.

#gotiges

 

[Bazzar]

Outs. Grimes, Reiwoldt, one of Markov or Weller
Ins. Caddy, Garth, Ross.

Garth had a corkie last game so if he's not fit then Balta.

 

[captain cotch 9]

Ross will come in this week for sure

 

[tigerfan1961]

Ross will come in this week for sure

I hope he does!

 

[tora tora tora]

GTFO... I'll put up with Ellis staying... but add Markov. A VFL player. Plays wider of the contest than Ellis (somehow). Who is Markov's matchup this week? I just want to see the two names together.

Toby Greene

 

[tony__montana]

Toby Greene

No Greene this week

 

[Shazza_]

how can markov be serious when he has a take the piss hipster mo?

shave the campaigner off ya goose. stop getting s**t jailhouse tatts and just play footy

 

[Wacko23Jacko]

Yeah our midfield is a issue no doubt.We see the big names there and think it's super, but the other players of late not having the same impact at all.Winning the ball clearances and even pressure and tackling.

Pretty much the biggest issue is that we’ve had one too many outside vs inside while Dusty has been getting less inside and doing less dirty work.

It’s the only way I can explain why such a quick team (let’s face it, we had a lot of decent runners out there during that time period) can look so damn far away from the contest all the time.

Think the new rules have amplified this issue for us though due to not having that multi tier web available to us with 6 6 6.

Hopefully once injuries settle and we adjust to rules Coach Dimma and the team figure it out

 

[PetterdHoisted]

The game against Collingwood was a debacle. They have our number and their ball usage is 2nd to none. They ran rings around the midfielders and small forwards. the hunting in numbers works well against teams who dont spread the ball as well. Pies just hit target after target after target and were a fraction quikcer all night. but that adds up and leads to the team chasing tail for 120 minutes. Normally the team can handle this for about 3.5 quarters and the other team falters and that's when they run over the top. The Pies didn't relent though and refused to give up the ball.

The majority of the team to have 0-1 tackle means that we were too slow. you add 1-2 tackles per person and you are looking at around 30 more tackles for the game, meaning about 30 less initial possessions, which in turn leads to 30 more marks/ possessions downfield - so around 50-60 less possessions for the pies.

Had the team stuck more tackles, the result looks completely different, and it would have been a closer game.

This week will be very similar - the team needs to stick the tackles and turn the ball over or risk another game where the giants play against witches hats.

Outs: Grimes, Reiwoldt,
Ins: Garth, Balta

I don't think wholesale changes are needed - the smalls forwards are on notice though (except Rioli and higlet) and if Dusty is not right, maybe it will be time to give him a week or 2 off to visit his dad again. They can't allow him to not be 100%.

#gotiges

I think we didn't stick the tackles because we have a couple of blokes who can't or won't go atm- Presti at times doesn't go defensively and Dusty is moving very slowly for whatever reason.

Pies always had one extra as a result and got out. Our brand is team defense or it's useless

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Toby Greene

Hahaha.. noice!!

 

[Power Play]

Balta needs to come back into the side this week to pinch hit in the ruck and give us structure.

I will spew if we don't play him and I see Astbury or Lynch taking ruck contests.

 

[Rubber Hips]

What about CCJ???

 

[Spacedog]

I think someone like McIntosh or Markov should tag Whitfield. He's easily their most dangerous player and will tear us to shreds like he did last year if we let him run free

 

[Aeons]

how can markov be serious when he has a take the piss hipster mo?

shave the campaigner off ya goose. stop getting s**t jailhouse tatts and just play footy

tries to look like Robbie Magee but plays like Jordan McMahon....

 

[theflea]

If the oppo ruck goes to their forward line why can't our ruck follow him to our backline?

Because he needs a rest, which is the point. Rucks dont like defending either.

 

[Bojangles17]

Agree we need to find at least 1 more ball winner that start racking up 20+ give Ross a game , see how he goes will take a few games to get a feel for pace of senior footy

 

[nick1408]

Because he needs a rest, which is the point. Rucks dont like defending either.

I get the "rucks don't like defending" (although I think that's a personal feeling, not a positional feeling) but Why would a defender need to work harder than a forward? If we had a lazy ruck play forward we would be deriding him for being useless up forward.

I am not really sold on a ruck playing back but I haven't really seen a reason why they can't. I know not many do (Jackson Trengove & Jordan Roughead may be the only ones off the top of my head) but I just don't see how a certain position is stopped from playing back rather than a certain player.

 

[parmy2balmey]

if balta comes in as a defender how is he gonna give nank a chop out? if lynch goes into the ruck or a midfielder i will fk n spew up

 

[YnBlack]

I hope he does!

Yes We need someone hungry for the contest

 

[Bazzar]

Nank was a spare in defence in a heap of games in our premiership year.