Autopsy Roast & Toast Round 23 vs Brisbane, changes for Qualifying Final vs Brisbane

who was in the best for the Tigers vs Brisbane

  • David Astbury

    Votes: 8 2.9%
  • Nathan Broad

    Votes: 15 5.5%
  • Dylan Grimes

    Votes: 83 30.5%
  • Bachar Houli

    Votes: 109 40.1%
  • Nick Vlastuin

    Votes: 244 89.7%
  • Jayden Short

    Votes: 6 2.2%
  • Brandon Ellis

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Dion Prestia

    Votes: 192 70.6%
  • Josh Caddy

    Votes: 33 12.1%
  • Daniel Rioli

    Votes: 14 5.1%
  • Trent Cotchin

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Kane Lambert

    Votes: 22 8.1%
  • Shai Bolton

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Tom Lynch

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jack Riewoldt

    Votes: 129 47.4%
  • Ivan Soldo

    Votes: 58 21.3%
  • Shane Edwards

    Votes: 33 12.1%
  • Dustin Martin

    Votes: 209 76.8%
  • Jason Castagna

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Liam Baker

    Votes: 67 24.6%
  • Jack Graham

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Noah Balta

    Votes: 3 1.1%

  • Total voters
    272
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Hoos

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Must say, I loved Brisbane’s tactic of tackling our players once they took a mark even though they weren’t in the contest. Very cunning. We love to move it fast so they just tacked us illegally to slow us down. What happened to this being an automatic 50m penalty?
It will only take one semi-competent umpire in the QF to pay a couple of 50's and they'll stop doing it. There's nothing like an inferior side adopting an illegal tactic to gain an advantage.

The umpires seem to be more switched on in the finals too. Probably because the really crap ones don't get a game.
 

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The last time he did that a few times in a game he was dropped.

Can't see that happening this time though. Who would come in? Butler? On second thought, let's see if he can get it out of his game.
I still think Baker is a more damaging fwd/mid. I'd play him fwd and slot someone into defence. Kmac has been playing in defence in the VFL. .. Not that well though. Apart from Nank I'd leave the team unchanged. There were quite a few tiges players who were quiet and would want to redeem themselves. I need to watch a replay cos I thought Short was good and Rioli was crap.
 

clark1980

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just shows how unimportant stats are. Neale gets 51 touches to martins 21. but just watching the game live, Martin had much more influence on the game than Neale did. Neale gained 380m so about 7.5m/disposal. got a lot of 1,2's that Martin and Cotchin were criticised for in years past. Martin 2 goals and penetrating kicks to advantage were way more prominent. hell I wouldn't have Neale in the top 3, thought Martin, Grimes and vlaustin were better. unless he gets more influence in the game wouldn't worry about tagging him in a couple of weeks time.
 

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that's shocking...where were the role players to provide our famed fw pressure ? it's finals like footy , dial UP the pressure would have thought.
There wasn’t actually a lot of pressure from us today. It’s a little concerning but I think we’ll know more in two weeks.

Brisbane had a lot of F50 pressure but their midfield pressure was really non-existent. So many times we just ran it through there too easily.
 

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just shows how unimportant stats are. Neale gets 51 touches to martins 21. but just watching the game live, Martin had much more influence on the game than Neale did. Neale gained 380m so about 7.5m/disposal. got a lot of 1,2's that Martin and Cotchin were criticised for in years past. Martin 2 goals and penetrating kicks to advantage were way more prominent. hell I wouldn't have Neale in the top 3, thought Martin, Grimes and vlaustin were better. unless he gets more influence in the game wouldn't worry about tagging him in a couple of weeks time.
I didn't really notice Neale while I was at the ground, and I was surprised to hear he'd racked up that many. Zorko stood out, though. And Robinson. Reckon he might have been their best.
 

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If you made the argument that the only reason he’s in the team is for his kicking it wouldn’t even stand up at the moment. You’d have thought he’d be the last person who’d want to be out of form this time of year
Its supposed to be his point of difference yet its garbage at the moment.
 

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I got a pretty decent view of the ground up on level 4. To the lions credit they really set up well behind the ball and at stoppages. When they won it back the likes of Hodge pulled the trigger through the corridor really well. I thought their use by foot was probably a bit better than ours.

Their tackling was also really good, it looks like they've been trained by rugby players as a few of them came in really low and lifted us in the tackle rugby style.

Typically our style beats the opposition but this case the difference was probably acts of brilliance from our senior guys.

Grimes and Cotch will be better for it and Nank.
You'd hope we go into the game against them pretty confident. Should be a beauty. I'd be tempted to bring in Ross for Bolton but then again, their midfield pace was an issue for us at times.
In the second and third quarters they set up well but in the first and second there was no pressure on our midfield.

As such those were the two quarters where we won it.

Anyone else Brisbane may have gotten the win but when you’re up against a team like Richmond 2 quarters isn’t enough.
 

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agree, thought Zorko was their best. I am not saying getting 51 isn't a great effort but in footy these days influence on game is more important. Richmond often loses important stat measures but still win. an example being when we are on, cutting thru the middle may only have 4-8 disposal but take it from defence to a scoring opportunity, or how we burst out of the centre in the 1st with hit ups to jack.
 

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No changes I'd reckon.
Back half was excellent. Midfield all good, Cotch was cruising and so was Martin.
Forward half functioned pretty well.
Soldo played a game I never thought he was capable of. Ragdolled Stefan Martin in the end, and looked fresh in the last Q! Balta was better in the ruck than he has ever been, and started to get involved. Don't think Nank will be fit enough, just not enough game time and Soldo did the job so why bring him in. (And I'm a big Nank fan).
Caddy was good on his wing. Robinson also played well, but he is having a great season, so you'd expect him to. Caddy is smart and uses the ball well and very strong. Ellis was average and McCluggage touched him up, and I'd rather have KMac, but it won't happen right now. Good to see Rioli back with a bit of spark. Bolton uses the ball well and did enough.
So it is hard to see any changes unless Ross absolutely dominates the VFL next week.
 

harrythetiger

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There wasn’t actually a lot of pressure from us today. It’s a little concerning but I think we’ll know more in two weeks.

Brisbane had a lot of F50 pressure but their midfield pressure was really non-existent. So many times we just ran it through there too easily.
We had no tackles inside 50 obviously but thinking back - they rarely had possession of it inside our 50. We kept clunking marks and having shots, they were able to exit through kick outs which nullifies tackling a fair bit. Thought the game was fairly low pressure across the board, 76% DE for both teams is well above average. Won’t be like that in 2 weeks.
 

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just shows how unimportant stats are. Neale gets 51 touches to martins 21. but just watching the game live, Martin had much more influence on the game than Neale did. Neale gained 380m so about 7.5m/disposal. got a lot of 1,2's that Martin and Cotchin were criticised for in years past. Martin 2 goals and penetrating kicks to advantage were way more prominent. hell I wouldn't have Neale in the top 3, thought Martin, Grimes and vlaustin were better. unless he gets more influence in the game wouldn't worry about tagging him in a couple of weeks time.
We never tag players. And people get sucked into comparing players. Only stat that counts is the scoreboard. Richmond defeated Brisbane
 

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Watching the replay, Brisbane seem to play to the edge in terms of holding up marks, or afters with every tackle. Melbourne Storm-like in milking the rules. Second players dropping the knees in on tackles or pushing marking players over to hold them up. It’s got Hodge written all over it. I suspect if we try to emulate this we’d get killed by the umps. Stats over the last three seasons don’t lie.

I know we can beat them with skill, but one thing I think we should consider is picking our targets and giving it back. Someone to go to Hodge with the specific job of working him over ? (the job Townsend did last year for this was outstanding - and no I’m not suggesting we pick him - but ? Caddy to just rip him?) Graham or Cotch to go to Zorko? Or even use Caddy on Robinson?

It just seems that these three dish it out which brings up their whole team in endeavour and makes them more confident. Take out one or two of these pillars and I think they don’t walk anywhere near as tall.
 
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