Autopsy Roast & Toast v Adelaide & changes for Collingwood

[mad_tiggy911]

Very confident this weekend. Doesn't matter who's out or who we bring in.

 

[Groupie_]

fmd



umpies sure do love em

 

[Big Unit 30]

Watched the replay again, didn’t realize just how crucial Picketts running was in the last 15-20 mins of the game.
He was immense.

 

[prodigy]

fmd



umpies sure do love em

Might get crucified for this but they are a great watch.

 

[The Mighty]

Might get crucified for this but they are a great watch.

Its just everything transplanted from Richmond that is all.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Going to be a massive test to where we are at. The outs don't concern me as it gives blokes like Ross, Sonsie, Ralph-Smith, Mansell, Cumberland, Clarke the chance to perform. If they earn their spot, we really need Dimma to commit some games into them & not drop them after 1 bad game. We need that youth coming through as we have a number of players that are questionable to get through the year IMO.

Getting to test that youth against a high quality team like Collingwood is invaluable for their development, especially so early into a season where they can possibly earn a spot. The one luxury we get now too is, we are no longer the hunted in these clashes - the pressure is more on the Pie's to handle us, especially with a few vet outs. We can actually approach this one as the hungry young team, & not the ol former champ. It will be fun to see how they go on the big stage.

 

[chriso11]

Collingwood are the hot team starting this season. Let’s see if they are still the hot team come round 23. Don’t forget Blues were May premiers last year and didn’t make the 8

 

[chriso11]

Preseason injury report “Soldo stubbed his toe in training”

Nekminit… “soldo out for the midterm with foot injury”

 

[RJK Tiger]

Great for our kids to experience big crowd atmosphere and pressure.

Yep, especially in round 3. Its a game we are expected to lose anyway

Preseason injury report “Soldo stubbed his toe in training”

Nekminit… “soldo out for the midterm with foot injury”

Honestly, I would rather they try to rotate Samson through there for small coverage, along with Balta & keep Soldo out. I think the game has started to pass him already.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Common mate
I dont want to be seen to be picking on you all the time just because of how many times your posts are just crap but surely even you can see that what broad did is not on anymore with all thats come out about concussion and even our own Shane Tuck and former Coach Danny Frawley taking their lives

Its friggin simple just hold onto him and if you have to just drop your weight to drag him down and if that doesnt work and he gets the ball away - So be it and its only a friggen game not worth knocking somebody out. That poor kid would be lucky to be 20 years old and could have issue's for years to come

We would hate it if that happened to 1 of our kids like Sonsie , Clarke , MRj etc
Its only a friggen game

Yep - but if the player goes down straight away from the tackle, there is no incident. Incidents like this one , the "slam down" is occurring because the player with the ball is resisting and keeping his feet. So the question was (which you cleverly didn't answer ), what is the expectation of the tackler when the player they are tackling refuses to submit to their strong tackle? Just let them go? Ride around on their back for a bit? The option to "overpower" is pretty much off the table. I did say i agree that it should get weeks, but my question was pretty clearly - what is our expectation on the tackler in that circumstance?

3 weeks was a baffling high number as well. The weeks given to this tackle, which is hardly a sniper move, is about the same as clench punching an opponent off the ball. Do you honestly think Broad landed that tackle to concuss or hurt an opponent, or in an attempt to overpower him resisting the tackle. You must really be drinking the kool-aid if you think that is a 3 week offence.

 

[RFCGloryJC]

Watched the replay again, didn’t realize just how crucial Picketts running was in the last 15-20 mins of the game.
He was immense.

Watching the replay for the first time, thought Pickett was on fire from the start.

 

[RFCGloryJC]

Looking at the Pies this year, looks like Nick Daicos and John Noble

9

John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

are key ball carriers in their plans.
9 & 7 score involvements respectively against the Cats, 579 and 637 metres gained.
Nick is a key player, if he goes down they're gone.

 

[wegetpumped]

If we play like we have first 2 games Pies will cream us. We need the old core to start playing but I think age won't let them. Grimes Cotchin. Jack even Dusty are a shadow off themselves.
Anyway we tend to play poorly than in big games somehow we turn up lets hope this week is no different.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

If we play like we have first 2 games Pies will cream us. We need the old core to start playing but I think age won't let them. Grimes Cotchin. Jack even Dusty are a shadow off themselves.
Anyway we tend to play poorly than in big games somehow we turn up lets hope this week is no different.

How old are Pendles , Sideass , Cox , Elliot , Howe , Mihocek , Mitchell ?
none have speed and all are best 22

 

[Triggering Tiger]

How old are Pendles , Sideass , Cox , Elliot , Howe , Mihocek , Mitchell ?
none have speed and all are best 22

 

[richoplzbreed]

Wonder if we might actually tag Daicos? Surely one of Graham, Pickett, Dan Rioli or Mansell could sacrifice their game. Will spew if we do nothing then half arse it after half time. Tag him and rough him up within the rules.

 

[peternorth]

Wonder if we might actually tag Daicos? Surely one of Graham, Pickett, Dan Rioli or Mansell could sacrifice their game. Will spew if we do nothing then half arse it after half time. Tag him and rough him up within the rules.

We don’t tag. It’s not the Richmond way /dimma

 

[Calcium Man]

Nothing hypothetical about the actual match footage.

There's no way of statistically distinguishing between a hit-out to advantage that gives the player so little actual 'advantage' that they were better off not getting the ball, versus a hit-out to advantage which lands on the chest of a mid running at full flight in space and gives them time to drill it down the throat of a key forward.

Statistically, each action is equal and only the viewer can allocate one the higher value it deserves.

ROB's ruckwork and contested possessions were of very high value in the 3Q, Nank's arguably descended into negative value territory in that same quarter.

So we’re adding contested possessions to the mix?

I’m not arguing what he did around ground, he took 2 big third man up marks over Lynch, this is where I said we were smashed. We kept handing the ball back thats why we got smashed in the quarter 21-11 intercept possessions.

5-2 contested marks. That’s 1/3rd of Adelaide’s contested marks for the game vs 1/9th for us.

39-20 contested ball.

The ruck was not the problem. Nor was it that it started there. It’s simply that we were 2nd to every loose ball, the crows marked everything and we kept turning it over coming out of defence.

Do you have a way to take a look at the replay and see for yourself?

I have. I even rewatched the third.

3 times did ROBs ruck really impact a clearance (fyi Nank had 2 but they were turn overs from Taranto and Prestia.).

1 -first centre bounce goes to rachele and Taranto, rachele rips Taranto backwards without the ball (was clear free) he falls backwards into hopper tripping him when he probably gets loose ball, at worst tackles rachele who picks up loose ball inside 50

2 - our half backline straight to Laird who quick handball frees player to kick to crows CHF and Tex takes contested mark.

3 - crows forward pick out of bounds, ROB and Nank end up spinning around, ROB gets hit out to Rankine who snaps a goal. Dunstall and Brown both say it should have been a free to Nank for high contact. But that’s also footy sometimes.

I honestly can't see why you're debating the point, it happened.

Didn’t realise I wasn’t allowed to debate with you. I disagree it happened, that’s what I saw in my first viewing. Constant horrible turn overs out of defence, a crows team that marked the contested ball and getting beaten to 50/50s.

I didn’t really think ROBs ruck performance was a huge thing in the game, but I do think his marking was important.

As Jack has stated quite clearly in the media, Ryan is pushing for his position as much if not more as he is for Soldo's.

Soldo's a specialist #1 ruck, Ryan is not and Miller's not really in the conversation, barring an injury to either of the first two.

We will explore the two specialist rucks option and we more than likely would have lined up with both rd.1 - like we did in the practice game where the only time we looked half decent and had some control of play ywas when Soldo finished the match dominating Gawn.

I don’t value Soldos ruck work, I don’t think hit outs are important. I don’t think Soldo stops the 3rd quarter unless his around the ground stuff improves. When he is taking marks, it’s important, but we haven’t seen that for the best part of 3 years. He needs to be doing it in the VFL.

Moot point anyway he has plantar fasciitis, he’s out for at least a month if not half the season.

 

[bc27]

Out: Broad, Short
In: Banks, Clarke, Ralphsmith(sub)

If Hopper is out then Sonsie comes in for him.

 

[bc27]

Personally I think the Nick Daicos role is alot easier to shut down then what the over exaggerative AFL media make it out to be….and I think McRae knows this.

He’s a genuine uncontested girls blouse who Collingwood are using as much as possible as he is a very damaging ball user. 50% of his possessions are handball receives and another 25% come from playing on from a kick in.

If you’re running off your back line at every chance without caring about your defensive role then it’s only going to suit Richmond’s counter attack style of footy. It also will suit our much taller forward line. The fact he swaps positions at stoppages and has a mid role back into his spot at half back makes contested footy so crucial. Collingwood have won the contested footy the first two rounds which has made the Daicos role look amazing. If they start to lose that contested ball then he’ll be out on an island looking for a life raft. Especially with our damaging forward line.

The first round Carlton’s backline were camped in the back half and terrified of leaving. Collingwood will run and gun at every opportunity and I guarantee this is going to work perfectly for our forward line.
I hope Dusty plays as this is a perfect situation for him and Shai to get off the leash.
My biggest concern is the momentum factor that Collingwood seem to have found in the last 12 months.
Tigers can be very panicky when teams get a run on against them.
Although there were great signs from the Adelaide game where they regained control through our experienced players getting the ball.

It’s going to be a hell of a game I think. Both teams play exciting footy.
Personally I think our talls will be once again to big and strong when the big moments come around.

 

[JR#8]

Might get crucified for this but they are a great watch.

Yep, agreed. They played an exciting brand of footy last year which has improved this year.

 

[smurfin]

Changes:
Banks in for Broad. We already have enough height down back, think we need more run.
Sonsie in for Short.
If Hopper not fit - Ross. Or possibly Clarke with Bolton then playing more midfield.
If Dusty out - probably Cumberland, but again consider Clarke.

 

[Bojangles17]

I’m positive that we can cover short and broad , sonz would be a good replacement for hopper and if he contributed where he left off would certainly fill his shoes . Dusty much harder tho we won plenty of games without him last year , hope he plays as I’m sure he makes defenders nervous

 

[Bojangles17]

Changes:
Banks in for Broad. We already have enough height down back, think we need more run.
Sonsie in for Short.
If Hopper not fit - Ross. Or possibly Clarke with Bolton then playing more midfield.
If Dusty out - probably Cumberland, but again consider Clarke.

Cumbo for dusty would be where we were last year and he performed that role very well , surely we’d have no hesitation slotting him back if required

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Nah I think it will be closer, especially if it rains. Under 20 points for sure.

The stand rule has made it difficult for good sides to belt each other...close scores for sure...the AFL/TV will love this...
Wobbles close scores of late V our close losing scores will make for a close contest...
Dare I say it...might be a draw...or an umpire's decision to break the scores deadlock...any which way but loose...