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In terms of the word guys, I have never heard of an objection to it.
They do use it in cafes when they are ready to take your order and it saves time.
It's an informal word.
Women can use the term ruck!
 
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Interesting perspective and I respect your opinion.
Absolutely the main factor in Richmond winning or losing is their "manic repeat effort work rate". The whole gameplan is based on putting pressure on their opponents and creating turnovers and panic. If they don't bring their hunger and aggression to the game their gameplan falls apart.
The funny thing is, Richmond when we brought in the three, Nank in particular was exactly the type of character we needed to help kick start our culture on the field. He is actually bog average as a ruckman. If you take emotion out of it and ask yourself, does he win a lot of ruck contest, the honest answer is No He also concedes the most free kicks of any ruck in the league by a fair margin. What he brought to us was tough, workman like, uncompromising work rate. He is the actual poster boy for the "Richmond Way" but he has some serious limitations. Nank though is incredibly footy smart, he knows when he needs to go forward or back......

What I am excited about and we got to see it for 2 and a half quarters on Sunday is the growth potential Nank being out will bring to Balta. He is a freak engine wise, proof of that was he played nearly the most minutes of any player on the large perth ground and was still dangerous and effective in the last. He is quicker then Nank, more Agile, and more importantly has the ability to jump high just off one step. He is very green still and is still learning of his potential but now Hardwick I hope will be forced to solidify Balta in one position. god I hope that is ruck as he is the perfect type to in a couple of years as his body grows ( he is only 19) to compete with the Grundy and Gawns of the world

He just needs to grow his footy IQ and that will only come with consistent game time
 

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Love this collingwood poster talking down our chances “but not writing us off, upsets can happen yada yada”

We are favourites with the bookies you nuffy! Jog on...
-5.5 points line bet.
Bet your house on it...or maybe in your case your skateboard.
Tigers were paying about $1.20 to the Western Bulldogs $4 to win a few weeks ago and Fremantle were favorites with the bookies to beat you last week.
(Dare I say it the Tiges were favorites paying about $1.40 to the Pies $3 head-to-head in last years Prelim)

Geez - what's with the abuse.
Just discussing football on a Football forum.
Grow up.
(Apologies to others - I realize I am on the Richmond Board - but respect goes both ways)

So any opinions apart from slagging off?
Changes for the game?
Soldo or Balta as your #1 replacement ruck?
Do you think you will beat the Hawks?
Will Richmond look to bolster their Rucks in the Mid Season draft? or do they already have a player in mind - or a midfielder perhaps?

I'm the first to admit I'm often wrong - but happy to contribute to, and listen and learn from a discussion.
Abuse is just cheap and easy, doesn't contribute anything and doesn't take much thought.
It just ends any relevant discussion and leads to petty squabbles.
I must say It's been an interesting visit to the Richmond board. Thanks to those who responded to my rants.
Anyway I'm gone...quick courteous response to Tiger71 and then outta here....I'm jogging on WA'nuffy'.
Best of luck....oh and bet responsibly.
 
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The funny thing is, Richmond when we brought in the three, Nank in particular was exactly the type of character we needed to help kick start our culture on the field. He is actually bog average as a ruckman. If you take emotion out of it and ask yourself, does he win a lot of ruck contest, the honest answer is No He also concedes the most free kicks of any ruck in the league by a fair margin. What he brought to us was tough, workman like, uncompromising work rate. He is the actual poster boy for the "Richmond Way" but he has some serious limitations. Nank though is incredibly footy smart, he knows when he needs to go forward or back......

What I am excited about and we got to see it for 2 and a half quarters on Sunday is the growth potential Nank being out will bring to Balta. He is a freak engine wise, proof of that was he played nearly the most minutes of any player on the large perth ground and was still dangerous and effective in the last. He is quicker then Nank, more Agile, and more importantly has the ability to jump high just off one step. He is very green still and is still learning of his potential but now Hardwick I hope will be forced to solidify Balta in one position. god I hope that is ruck as he is the perfect type to in a couple of years as his body grows ( he is only 19) to compete with the Grundy and Gawns of the world

He just needs to grow his footy IQ and that will only come with consistent game time
Whilst being as you say "bog average as a ruckman" Nank was still able to somewhat nullify the effectiveness of his opposing ruck and your mids are accustomed to playing with him.
In terms of clearances he is on a par with many and actually ahead on yardage gained and his possession counts are good. Not a big marker but a good spoiler.
Don't know if I would want to be risking Balta playing as first ruck at the moment. You need his ability as a utility to cover other gaps through injury.
Bring in Solda as he has been rucking in the VFL. Give him his opportunity to shine. Use Balta in spurts maybe.
Do you think the Tigers will recruit another ruck in the Mid-season draft now that you have a selection after Griggs retirement? (or do they already have a player in mind?)
Long term? Yeah Balta may be an excellent ruck, shows promise, hard to judge at that age. Always a bit of a lottery with young rucks.
I'll watch with interest.
Nice talking to you.
(I think I've overstayed my welcome.)
Cheers:thumbsu:
 
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Whilst being as you say "bog average as a ruckman" Nank was still able to somewhat nullify the effectiveness of his opposing ruck and your mids are accustomed to playing with him.
In terms of clearances he is on a par with many and actually ahead on yardage gained and his possession counts are good. Not a big marker but a good spoiler.
Don't know if I would want to be risking Balta playing as first ruck at the moment. You need his ability as a utility to cover other gaps through injury.
Bring in Solda as he has been rucking in the VFL. Give him his opportunity to shine. Use Balta in spurts maybe.
Do you think the Tigers will recruit another ruck in the Mid-season draft now that you have a selection after Griggs retirement? (or do they already have a player in mind?)
Long term? Yeah Balta may be an excellent ruck, shows promise, hard to judge at that age. Always a bit of a lottery with young rucks.
I'll watch with interest.
Nice talking to you.
(I think I've overstayed my welcome.)
Cheers:thumbsu:
Nothing wrong with your posting mate.
 

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Whilst being as you say "bog average as a ruckman" Nank was still able to somewhat nullify the effectiveness of his opposing ruck and your mids are accustomed to playing with him.
In terms of clearances he is on a par with many and actually ahead on yardage gained and his possession counts are good. Not a big marker but a good spoiler.
Don't know if I would want to be risking Balta playing as first ruck at the moment. You need his ability as a utility to cover other gaps through injury.
Bring in Solda as he has been rucking in the VFL. Give him his opportunity to shine. Use Balta in spurts maybe.
Do you think the Tigers will recruit another ruck in the Mid-season draft now that you have a selection after Griggs retirement? (or do they already have a player in mind?)
Long term? Yeah Balta may be an excellent ruck, shows promise, hard to judge at that age. Always a bit of a lottery with young rucks.
I'll watch with interest.
Nice talking to you.
(I think I've overstayed my welcome.)
Cheers:thumbsu:
Yeah I'm not sure i would want to develope Balta as a Rucking option...but at the moment he's our bestest option...given our injuries...and that's no secret!
I think he's too valuable a player to get banged up in the rucking long term...but he's learning the game here and that's valuable experience...
Personally i see him as a forward, Goodes/Kouta type, but who really knows it's early days yet with Balta and who knows what possy he'll end up playing!
But it's an exciting ride watching the young fella go about his business...
Reminds me a lot of how i felt when i was first watching Richo...just wow factor!
And also SStack!
 

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Nank ain’t much of a tap ruckman...but it’s what he brings around the ground...harassing, jostling, in their faces, getting in the right position, slotting goals


Soldo is a good tap ruck, but will need to demonstrate the other part of his game v the dawks

From what I’ve seen at VFL recently, he is becoming very competitive around the ground getting in players faces...
I’m looking forward to the duel with McEvoy
 

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Yeah I'm not sure i would want to develope Balta as a Rucking option...but at the moment he's our bestest option...given our injuries...and that's no secret!
I think he's too valuable a player to get banged up in the rucking long term...but he's learning the game here and that's valuable experience...
Personally i see him as a forward, Goodes/Kouta type, but who really knows it's early days yet with Balta and who knows what possy he'll end up playing!
But it's an exciting ride watching the young fella go about his business...
Reminds me a lot of how i felt when i was first watching Richo...just wow factor!
And also SStack!
Are you trolling us now that the “guy” thing has settled?
“Bestest”?
...on an unrelated topic....totally agree re Balta. And Stack.
 

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-5.5 points line bet.
Bet your house on it...or maybe in your case your skateboard.
Tigers were paying about $1.20 to the Western Bulldogs $4 to win a few weeks ago and Fremantle were favorites with the bookies to beat you last week.
(Dare I say it the Tiges were favorites paying about $1.40 to the Pies $3 head-to-head in last years Prelim)

Geez - what's with the abuse.
Just discussing football on a Football forum.
Grow up.
(Apologies to others - I realize I am on the Richmond Board - but respect goes both ways)

So any opinions apart from slagging off?
Changes for the game?
Soldo or Balta as your #1 replacement ruck?
Do you think you will beat the Hawks?
Will Richmond look to bolster their Rucks in the Mid Season draft? or do they already have a player in mind - or a midfielder perhaps?

I'm the first to admit I'm often wrong - but happy to contribute to, and listen and learn from a discussion.
Abuse is just cheap and easy, doesn't contribute anything and doesn't take much thought.
It just ends any relevant discussion and leads to petty squabbles.
I must say It's been an interesting visit to the Richmond board. Thanks to those who responded to my rants.
Anyway I'm gone...quick courteous response to Tiger71 and then outta here....I'm jogging on WA'nuffy'.
Best of luck....oh and bet responsibly.
I have no issues with what you are posting, and certainly referring to you as a nuffy and asking you to jog on we’re not meant as “abuse” - our politicians are calling one another worse things in public ally funded ads...

But I found it bemusing that we have a multiple page conversation about the damage to our structure losing our only true ruckman would do?! Like it is a foreign concept that losing a structurally important player may hurt our chances!

Anyway off to the TAB

*kickflips*
 

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Are you trolling us now that the “guy” thing has settled?
“Bestest”?
...on an unrelated topic....totally agree re Balta. And Stack.
I've had a fair say, sometimes that's all your able to do and you move on...
But more importantly what about Balta and SStack! Wow factors there!
 

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I realise that. I respect you're not being intentionally sexist.
I just don't think everyone does realise.

It's more the kind of casual sexism we all fall into because always.

My wife and daughter are both Tigers in this forum. I encouraged them to join.

Perhaps just drop the "Guys" altogether. It's a s*** word if you actually mean everybody.
Will have to let the boss know who is female and starts every meeting (containing male and female staff) with "ok guys..."

All for equality and love we have womens teams now but that's getting a bit precious IMO.

Anyway back on topic I think we will be fine without Nank.
 

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Nank ain’t much of a tap ruckman...but it’s what he brings around the ground...harassing, jostling, in their faces, getting in the right position, slotting goals


Soldo is a good tap ruck, but will need to demonstrate the other part of his game v the dawks

From what I’ve seen at VFL recently, he is becoming very competitive around the ground getting in players faces...
I’m looking forward to the duel with McEvoy
I think this is why we will be ok without Nank.

In Soldo we get a better centre square tap ruck and we have others who can cover the "harassing, jostling, in their faces, getting in the right position, slotting goals" as they do it anyway.
 

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Interesting perspective and I respect your opinion.
Absolutely the main factor in Richmond winning or losing is their "manic repeat effort work rate". The whole gameplan is based on putting pressure on their opponents and creating turnovers and panic. If they don't bring their hunger and aggression to the game their gameplan falls apart.
Trust us we know. It’s so frustrating when this happens because we know what they’re capable of. At their best they’re an absolute delight to watch and almost impossible to beat, however it’s such an exhausting game style that unfortunately they’re going to lose games here and there and lose them big. :(
 

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I've had a fair say, sometimes that's all your able to do and you move on...
But more importantly what about Balta and SStack! Wow factors there!
Not just those two either. Bolton Baker and Ross have been brilliant.I have to admit I was nervous last year when we Let go Conca, Lloyd, Miles and Ellis (and to a lesser extent Stengle). As they were our VFL stalwarts and "solid" backup.

Not only am I surprised at how well the 5 five newbies (Balta, Stack, Ross, Baker and Bolton) have gone but that the VFL side is still holding it together, meaning we have more players banging down the door with RCD and Naish.I keep thinking each week that our depth will be tested but they keep passing. Good times!!!
And add to that had we not let our depth go last year - watching us go round in light of our injuries wouldn't be half as much fun as it currently is. What a joy it is to watch all five of the newbies. Even when we have had a bad night (Doggies) the silver lining was that the kids were amongst our best. The future is very bright.
 

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-5.5 points line bet.
Bet your house on it...or maybe in your case your skateboard.
Tigers were paying about $1.20 to the Western Bulldogs $4 to win a few weeks ago and Fremantle were favorites with the bookies to beat you last week.
(Dare I say it the Tiges were favorites paying about $1.40 to the Pies $3 head-to-head in last years Prelim)

Geez - what's with the abuse.
Just discussing football on a Football forum.
Grow up.
(Apologies to others - I realize I am on the Richmond Board - but respect goes both ways)

So any opinions apart from slagging off?
Changes for the game?
Soldo or Balta as your #1 replacement ruck?
Do you think you will beat the Hawks?
Will Richmond look to bolster their Rucks in the Mid Season draft? or do they already have a player in mind - or a midfielder perhaps?

I'm the first to admit I'm often wrong - but happy to contribute to, and listen and learn from a discussion.
Abuse is just cheap and easy, doesn't contribute anything and doesn't take much thought.
It just ends any relevant discussion and leads to petty squabbles.
I must say It's been an interesting visit to the Richmond board. Thanks to those who responded to my rants.
Anyway I'm gone...quick courteous response to Tiger71 and then outta here....I'm jogging on WA'nuffy'.
Best of luck....oh and bet responsibly.
haha just had to drop this little nugget in there
 
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Whilst being as you say "bog average as a ruckman" Nank was still able to somewhat nullify the effectiveness of his opposing ruck and your mids are accustomed to playing with him.
In terms of clearances he is on a par with many and actually ahead on yardage gained and his possession counts are good. Not a big marker but a good spoiler.
Don't know if I would want to be risking Balta playing as first ruck at the moment. You need his ability as a utility to cover other gaps through injury.
Bring in Solda as he has been rucking in the VFL. Give him his opportunity to shine. Use Balta in spurts maybe.
Do you think the Tigers will recruit another ruck in the Mid-season draft now that you have a selection after Griggs retirement? (or do they already have a player in mind?)
Long term? Yeah Balta may be an excellent ruck, shows promise, hard to judge at that age. Always a bit of a lottery with young rucks.
I'll watch with interest.
Nice talking to you.
(I think I've overstayed my welcome.)
Cheers:thumbsu:

Good post. Unlike most of my fellow supporters I rate Nank very highly. He's only played 67 games, is still improving and going in an upward trend. Nanks work around the ground, disposals, clearances, contested work and metres gained is up there for a ruck. Hes also got that touch of mongrel which is what you need from your big guy and does a lot of the hard stuff in close that doesnt get a stat(bullocking, blocking, hard hits).

Areas he needs to improve on to become a bonafide elite ruck of the comp is take a few more marks per game, currently at 2.6, get it up to 4-4.5 and use his endurance and surprisingly good disposal around the ground a bit more, bc imho he's capable of it. Currently averaging 14.5 disposals which is good, but he's capable of 17-18 for mine. I know his disposal efficiency statistically is average, but he's actually a brilliant field kick for a big guy. I've always maintained Hitouts and hitouts to advantage are the most overrated stats in football so never been fussed that he loses the taps most weeks
 

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Trust us we know. It’s so frustrating when this happens because we know what they’re capable of. At their best they’re an absolute delight to watch and almost impossible to beat, however it’s such an exhausting game style that unfortunately they’re going to lose games here and there and lose them big. :(
It’s going to be a Jekyll and Hyde year unfortunately
 

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Good post. Unlike most of my fellow supporters I rate Nank very highly. He's only played 67 games, is still improving and going in an upward trend. Nanks work around the ground, disposals, clearances, contested work and metres gained is up there for a ruck. Hes also got that touch of mongrel which is what you need from your big guy and does a lot of the hard stuff in close that doesnt get a stat(bullocking, blocking, hard hits).

Areas he needs to improve on to become a bonafide elite ruck of the comp is take a few more marks per game, currently at 2.6, get it up to 4-4.5 and use his endurance and surprisingly good disposal around the ground a bit more, bc imho he's capable of it. Currently averaging 14.5 disposals which is good, but he's capable of 17-18 for mine. I know his disposal efficiency statistically is average, but he's actually a brilliant field kick for a big guy. I've always maintained Hitouts and hitouts to advantage are the most overrated stats in football so never been fussed that he loses the taps most weeks
Killed us against the dogs. They controlled the stoppages and we never had anything but scraps to feed off. Same thing against GWS and Pies and the prelim last year. Common theme to a Richmond smacking is a getting toweled up in hitouts.


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Killed us against the dogs. They controlled the stoppages and we never had anything but scraps to feed off. Same thing against GWS and Pies and the prelim last year. Common theme to a Richmond smacking is a getting toweled up in hitouts.


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You do realise that even when we win we get smacked in the hitouts?

Sandi had a world record amount of hitouts to advantage and we smacked them by 104 points..

The common theme to a richmond smacking is the side being off and not working hard enough. We didnt lose to the dogs, Pies or GWS bc of hitouts, please..
 

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It’s going to be a Jekyll and Hyde year unfortunately
Yep. As long as we understand that now then it’ll be fine.

If we win more then we lose we’ll play finals which will be very good experience for the kids, however our percentage is probably going to be the thing that keeps us out of the top 4 unfortunately, due to the big losses we’re inevitably going to have.
 
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