Autopsy Roast & Toast vs Port Adelaide, Rd 4 2019, & changes for Sydney

Best Players vs Port Adelaide

  • Toby Nankervis

    Votes: 43 15.0%
  • Josh Caddy

    Votes: 42 14.7%
  • Kane Lambert

    Votes: 7 2.4%
  • Dion Prestia

    Votes: 20 7.0%
  • Tom Lynch

    Votes: 263 92.0%
  • Noah Balta

    Votes: 4 1.4%
  • Daniel Rioli

    Votes: 4 1.4%
  • Shai Bolton

    Votes: 20 7.0%
  • Jason Castagna

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Brandon Ellis

    Votes: 152 53.1%
  • Liam Baker

    Votes: 8 2.8%
  • Kamdyn McIntosh

    Votes: 8 2.8%
  • Nick Vlastuin

    Votes: 9 3.1%
  • Shane Edwards

    Votes: 173 60.5%
  • Connor Menadue

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Nathan Broad

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • David Astbury

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Dylan Grimes

    Votes: 253 88.5%
  • Jack Graham

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Jack Ross

    Votes: 227 79.4%
  • Jack Higgins

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sydney Stack

    Votes: 48 16.8%

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Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s been told to tone it down by the club.
Not sure why, its the youngsters like Ross and Stack that reinvigorate the club, create energy and drive hope as the dynamic shifts and renewed belief is forged!!!

The improvement has to come from a spark somewhere and there is nothing wrong with a few lighters around the place provided its all positive. Having a few bubbly types is good for the culture and helps create a fun buoyant environment!! Even Bolton with his dare and ingenuity is helpful to lift the appeal of our prospects!
 

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Haha that's a great write up. While we're at it let's not forget that GoDees also picked James Frawley one ahead of Jack Riewoldt in 2006
They did very well out of frawley
Got pick 3 compensation for him
When he went to the hawks
They drafted Brayshaw with that pick
 
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I am now leaning to Graham having a spell, and just being asked to find the footy in the 2's

His apprenticeship in the ones has been really solid, but to add more stings to the bow, it won't hurt to begin that process in the 2's
I'm with you on this one as well. I think it can often be looked at as such a negative thing when a player is sent back to the twos, but in actual fact it can be a great thing for a young player's development.

Go back, dominate with a few 30+ disposal games, get that mojo and confidence and then return to the ones having had a lot more touch without the added pressure on the big stage.
 
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I am now leaning to Graham having a spell, and just being asked to find the footy in the 2's

His apprenticeship in the ones has been really solid, but to add more stings to the bow, it won't hurt to begin that process in the 2's
I'm with you on this one as well. I think it can often be looked at as such a negative thing when a player is sent back to the twos, but in actual fact it can be a great thing for a young player's development.

Go back, dominate with a few 30+ disposal games, get that mojo and confidence and then return to the ones having had a lot more touch without the added pressure on the big stage.
I respectfully disagree with you both. Firstly, we are the lowest disposal team in the competition, as were last year. We don’t value the amount of possessions but how we use it. That means that there are fewer possessions to be had. As a comparison, if he was playing for Collingwood, a like-for-like disposal average would be 22.

Secondly - and most importantly - we have been poor defensively until probably this game. The Giants game we were starting to get our tackling pressure back but it wasn’t until Saturday evening we were able to do it for a full four quarters. What message does it send to the team at large when the player who ranks number 1 at the club for tackles and pressure points is dropped cause he doesn’t get enough of the pill?
 

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Cause his not Higgins anymore. Where did all that enthusiasm go? Haven't seen him get excited at any stage this year like previous. He is playing ok and doing his job though seems to have matured quickly, I hear he has a girlfriend now maybe she told him to grow up hehe.:Do_O:eek:
Probably banned him from fortnite and he’s got the DTs
 

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I respectfully disagree with you both. Firstly, we are the lowest disposal team in the competition, as were last year. We don’t value the amount of possessions but how we use it. That means that there are fewer possessions to be had. As a comparison, if he was playing for Collingwood, a like-for-like disposal average would be 22.

Secondly - and most importantly - we have been poor defensively until probably this game. The Giants game we were starting to get our tackling pressure back but it wasn’t until Saturday evening we were able to do it for a full four quarters. What message does it send to the team at large when the player who ranks number 1 at the club for tackles and pressure points is dropped cause he doesn’t get enough of the pill?
I agree, quality over quantity any day. What is the point of getting an extra possession if it means going backwards and wasting energy to do so without reward??? It just puts you further back.

I don't like players resting on their laurels but Grahams deeds in the GF in terms of composure and dealing with pressure getting it done when it is most on the line counts for something, especially when the pressure is on and we need to win from a competitive viewpoint. As long as he is doing things right consistently that goes a long way and sets the tone. We cannot have all the same type racking up possessions either willy nilly. If he has a few stinkers fine he comes under scrutiny, but I think he has earn't a bit of saving grace especially as he is only young with plenty of room for development from continuity. On top of that if he is holding up defensively thats great and he is a bigger/stronger body amongst some of our lighter mids in terms of suitable competitive matchups against the opposition.
 

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Man it's actually hard to figure out our current best 22 for the rest of 2019. Something like this?

Grimes, Astbury, Vlastuin
Stack, Broad, Houli
McIntosh, Cotchin, Lambert
Caddy, Riewoldt, Rioli
Higgins, Lynch, Castagna
Nankervis, Martin, Prestia
Edwards, Ross, Graham, Balta

- Menadue was decent vs Port and could still be a future Houli replacement, but just hasn't done enough yet and is first to be cut from the weekend's team.
- Baker and Bolton both super stiff, both did more than Rioli but, well, you can't drop Rioli. Baker did a bit more than Higgins, too, but can you drop Higgo?
- I like both Ross and Graham in the side, need that midfield depth. Ross has to stay in now.
- On potential, would you say Bolton leapfrogs Castagna? How do you keep Baker in?
Bolton cannot be dropped after that performance.
Graham for Dusty is a given if you ask me. Graham is pretty average at everything, Bolton makes things happen when he gets the ball.
If Lambert, Prestia, Ross, Edwards, Rioli, Caddy, Martin and Higgins can't get the job done, don't think Graham will help much.

Would have bolton over Castagna, and possibly over Higgins, but with Edwards playing back maybe Botlon moves up to the wing.
Baker does not deserve being dropped either, but one or both of he or Menadue might be the unlucky ones if Basher comes in.
 

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Bolton cannot be dropped after that performance.
Graham for Dusty is a given if you ask me. Graham is pretty average at everything, Bolton makes things happen when he gets the ball.
If Lambert, Prestia, Ross, Edwards, Rioli, Caddy, Martin and Higgins can't get the job done, don't think Graham will help much.

Would have bolton over Castagna, and possibly over Higgins, but with Edwards playing back maybe Botlon moves up to the wing.
Baker does not deserve being dropped either, but one or both of he or Menadue might be the unlucky ones if Basher comes in.
Dunno about graham. I can see a situation with dusty and cads rotating forward/mid which means we’ll need some heavy lifting around the pill. Graham was pretty good at the defensive side of the game on the weekend which I think helps sheds, Prestia and Ross. Yes he needs to accumulate more but I think he’s being asked to play a specific role in the team at the moment.

Or I could be completely wrong and he gets dropped.
 

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Dunno about graham. I can see a situation with dusty and cads rotating forward/mid which means we’ll need some heavy lifting around the pill. Graham was pretty good at the defensive side of the game on the weekend which I think helps sheds, Prestia and Ross. Yes he needs to accumulate more but I think he’s being asked to play a specific role in the team at the moment.

Or I could be completely wrong and he gets dropped.
The difference is when a class player gets the ball something happens. When Graham gets it, yeah nah. Sure he plays a role, but we need to upgrade, or he needs to go back to the VFL and dominate which I think he is capable of.
 

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The difference is when a class player gets the ball something happens. When Graham gets it, yeah nah. Sure he plays a role, but we need to upgrade, or he needs to go back to the VFL and dominate which I think he is capable of.
Not sure we need all of our mids to be A graders. I’d like to see him be more damaging with the ball no doubt but he does pick up a lot of defensive slack.
 

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Dunno about graham. I can see a situation with dusty and cads rotating forward/mid which means we’ll need some heavy lifting around the pill. Graham was pretty good at the defensive side of the game on the weekend which I think helps sheds, Prestia and Ross. Yes he needs to accumulate more but I think he’s being asked to play a specific role in the team at the moment.

Or I could be completely wrong and he gets dropped.
I think you’re right and he’s being asked to play that role, a role he’s actually really good at.

Dimma and the coaches want us playing a defensive, pressure heavy game and they’re not going to drop Graham unless his tackles and pressure acts drop.
 

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Bit weird given I think on the couch last night Roos said the umpires department ticked the free off as being legit. If so, nothing controversial there.
I assumed they were referring to the non reversal of the Houston goal in the last after Rockliff Powell-pepper belted grimes in the back! If port had won by less than a goal....
 
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Not sure we need all of our mids to be A graders. I’d like to see him be more damaging with the ball no doubt but he does pick up a lot of defensive slack.
True, but Ross coming in his first week has leap frogged Graham already. You do need A to B grade mids. Graham's hurt factor is C grade, but he does compete well. I don't know there are too many players like that playing in the league, so I think he needs to find more of the ball. He is pretty slow for an inside mid who need sharp movement, and with Cotchin and Martin back he is going to struggle.
 
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True, but Ross coming in his first week has leap frogged Graham already. You do need A to B grade mids. Graham's hurt factor is C grade, but he does compete well. I don't know there are too many players like that playing in the league, so I think he needs to find more of the ball. He is pretty slow for an inside mid who need sharp movement, and with Cotchin and Martin back he is going to struggle.
In Graham’s fifth game he had 16 possessions, kicked 3 goals and held the best opposition player down in a relatively important game.

In his first game, Dean Polo had 28 possessions and kicked 3 goals.

As good as Ross’ debut was, one game doesn’t make the player.

Here’s the thing I think a lot of detractors don’t get about Graham, he may not get a lot of the ball, nor does he seem to be damaging when he does it, but his pressure and defensive abilities are elite. You say his hurt factor is C grade. This is incorrect. His ability to create room in the stoppage for Cotchin and Martin is as high on the hurt factor as you can get. Rewatch the last 5 minutes of the JLT game v Hawks. Cotchin destroys the Hawks almost single handedly... but its Graham who is right there beside him, bumping bodies or putting weight on opposition players to create space for Cotch. This is just one example. You get too many guys who hunt the ball, all you get is more congestion, lack of quality clearances and destroyed defensively.

For every one A grader, you need a guy who plays his role and sacrifices for the team to enable that A grader to be A grade.

Graham is that kind of player for us. Look when we dropped him against Port last year. Dimma admitted it was an error. Or how our poor form leading into finals coicided quite cleanly with Graham’s shoulder injury.

Graham means more to this side than just 18 possession and a ‘C grade’ hurt factor.
 

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True, but Ross coming in his first week has leap frogged Graham already. You do need A to B grade mids. Graham's hurt factor is C grade, but he does compete well. I don't know there are too many players like that playing in the league, so I think he needs to find more of the ball. He is pretty slow for an inside mid who need sharp movement, and with Cotchin and Martin back he is going to struggle.
Exactly, why waste Cotch and Martin putting them back there when they can have more impact in other positions especially Martin?

Kicking 3 goals in a GF is not hurt factor??

Why cannot Graham play with Ross in the guts while Dusty is up forward or on a wing if it makes us a more imposing competitive side that kicks a higher score and causes the opposing to kick a lower score than if the magnets are put elsewhere on the board??

Why would we automatically want to put Martin in the guts first up and disrupt the ball movement we had on the weekend if he comes in and kicks a lazy 4 from half forward or the wing?
 
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In Graham’s fifth game he had 16 possessions, kicked 3 goals and held the best opposition player down in a relatively important game.

In his first game, Dean Polo had 28 possessions and kicked 3 goals.

As good as Ross’ debut was, one game doesn’t make the player.

Here’s the thing I think a lot of detractors don’t get about Graham, he may not get a lot of the ball, nor does he seem to be damaging when he does it, but his pressure and defensive abilities are elite. You say his hurt factor is C grade. This is incorrect. His ability to create room in the stoppage for Cotchin and Martin is as high on the hurt factor as you can get. Rewatch the last 5 minutes of the JLT game v Hawks. Cotchin destroys the Hawks almost single handedly... but its Graham who is right there beside him, bumping bodies or putting weight on opposition players to create space for Cotch. This is just one example. You get too many guys who hunt the ball, all you get is more congestion, lack of quality clearances and destroyed defensively.

For every one A grader, you need a guy who plays his role and sacrifices for the team to enable that A grader to be A grade.

Graham is that kind of player for us. Look when we dropped him against Port last year. Dimma admitted it was an error. Or how our poor form leading into finals coicided quite cleanly with Graham’s shoulder injury.

Graham means more to this side than just 18 possession and a ‘C grade’ hurt factor.
Brilliant, well said
 

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out: menadue in: martin.

menadue was ok. created a few little passages which martin can do easily enough.

george was good defensively and offensively with his assist work.
graham stays i think because of his pressure, played his best game since round 1. if hes applying the pressure in the guts then the ball wont be going into buddy as quick, giving our defenders a chance.
balta stays because he gives us options back forward and ruck. Allowing nank to drift forward or back to mark is very valuable in my eyes, just look at last week.
 
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