Autopsy Roast & Toast vs Port Adelaide, Rd 4 2019, & changes for Sydney

Best Players vs Port Adelaide

  • Toby Nankervis

    Votes: 43 15.0%
  • Josh Caddy

    Votes: 42 14.7%
  • Kane Lambert

    Votes: 7 2.4%
  • Dion Prestia

    Votes: 20 7.0%
  • Tom Lynch

    Votes: 263 92.0%
  • Noah Balta

    Votes: 4 1.4%
  • Daniel Rioli

    Votes: 4 1.4%
  • Shai Bolton

    Votes: 20 7.0%
  • Jason Castagna

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Brandon Ellis

    Votes: 152 53.1%
  • Liam Baker

    Votes: 8 2.8%
  • Kamdyn McIntosh

    Votes: 8 2.8%
  • Nick Vlastuin

    Votes: 9 3.1%
  • Shane Edwards

    Votes: 173 60.5%
  • Connor Menadue

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Nathan Broad

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • David Astbury

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Dylan Grimes

    Votes: 253 88.5%
  • Jack Graham

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Jack Ross

    Votes: 227 79.4%
  • Jack Higgins

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sydney Stack

    Votes: 48 16.8%

  • Total voters
    286

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Mr Magic

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Speaking of Sydney, Sydney's number one threat by a mile is Issac Heeney. So this week one of Graham or Ross or someone else can go to him and just lock him down defensively and fairly. Do that and it will have more hurt factor than most of anything else occuring in the game!!

But I would like to see last weeks midfield glue stick together and see what happens especially from the get go. So if Heeney goes in the guts Ross or Graham can take him and when Heeney is up forward one of our backs can sit on him like glue as a priority!! The coaches are free to move the magnets around later as situations arise
 
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Make up your mind about Baker!!! Is he in or out?!?!?
i always have been (a little) anti baker cause i am suspicious of very short people.

however Baker seems to be class. He has been good in the twos and is fast and skillful and seems have pretty good footy iq. He is growing on me big time and is yet another reason B Ellis should be dropped.

I would be ok with Baker staying in the best22
 

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In Graham’s fifth game he had 16 possessions, kicked 3 goals and held the best opposition player down in a relatively important game.

In his first game, Dean Polo had 28 possessions and kicked 3 goals.

As good as Ross’ debut was, one game doesn’t make the player.

Here’s the thing I think a lot of detractors don’t get about Graham, he may not get a lot of the ball, nor does he seem to be damaging when he does it, but his pressure and defensive abilities are elite. You say his hurt factor is C grade. This is incorrect. His ability to create room in the stoppage for Cotchin and Martin is as high on the hurt factor as you can get. Rewatch the last 5 minutes of the JLT game v Hawks. Cotchin destroys the Hawks almost single handedly... but its Graham who is right there beside him, bumping bodies or putting weight on opposition players to create space for Cotch. This is just one example. You get too many guys who hunt the ball, all you get is more congestion, lack of quality clearances and destroyed defensively.

For every one A grader, you need a guy who plays his role and sacrifices for the team to enable that A grader to be A grade.

Graham is that kind of player for us. Look when we dropped him against Port last year. Dimma admitted it was an error. Or how our poor form leading into finals coicided quite cleanly with Graham’s shoulder injury.

Graham means more to this side than just 18 possession and a ‘C grade’ hurt factor.
You can tell that Ross will be a player. He is a Selwood clone, but bigger, faster and a bigger kick. He also gets his hands on the ball in the heat of the centre, not running lose on a wing like Dean Polo, who by the way had none of the attributes I have mentioned. That is 4 things he has over Graham who has little of these things. He likes to tackle, as does Graham. Graham is in the team for the tough stuff. But so is Cotchin, Prestia and now Ross. Put Martin, Caddy, Lambert and even Higgins rotating the centre mix, and that leaves Graham playing a fair bit of football on the flanks, which he has done so far this season. All of those players are better players than Graham, and all of them are tough and big bodied.
Graham is an average footballer. He is hard and a great pressure player, but half the time he is chasing blokes that are way quicker than him. He needs to find the footy more is all I am saying. If it means dropping Bolton after the sort of game he played last week, then he would be one in the firing line.
 

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You can tell that Ross will be a player. He is a Selwood clone, but bigger, faster and a bigger kick. He also gets his hands on the ball in the heat of the centre, not running lose on a wing like Dean Polo, who by the way had none of the attributes I have mentioned. That is 4 things he has over Graham who has little of these things. He likes to tackle, as does Graham. Graham is in the team for the tough stuff. But so is Cotchin, Prestia and now Ross. Put Martin, Caddy, Lambert and even Higgins rotating the centre mix, and that leaves Graham playing a fair bit of football on the flanks, which he has done so far this season. All of those players are better players than Graham, and all of them are tough and big bodied.
Graham is an average footballer. He is hard and a great pressure player, but half the time he is chasing blokes that are way quicker than him. He needs to find the footy more is all I am saying. If it means dropping Bolton after the sort of game he played last week, then he would be one in the firing line.
wing is not grahams go...
 

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Exactly, why waste Cotch and Martin putting them back there when they can have more impact in other positions especially Martin?

Kicking 3 goals in a GF is not hurt factor??

Why cannot Graham play with Ross in the guts while Dusty is up forward or on a wing if it makes us a more imposing competitive side that kicks a higher score and causes the opposing to kick a lower score than if the magnets are put elsewhere on the board??

Why would we automatically want to put Martin in the guts first up and disrupt the ball movement we had on the weekend if he comes in and kicks a lazy 4 from half forward or the wing?
You suggest that Cotchin and Martin come out of the middle for Graham. Martin was the leagues best centre clearance player last year, and well Cotchin is 10 time the player that Graham is. Also Martin is no half forward, is only good resting at FF where Lynch now sits. Of course Graham can rotate through there and he goes okay, but when he is rotating out of the centre he plays wing or half forward, where he isn't much chop. In a full squad he will struggle.
And he has not had a game remotely close to his great grand final game.
 

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i always have been (a little) anti baker cause i am suspicious of very short people.

however Baker seems to be class. He has been good in the twos and is fast and skillful and seems have pretty good footy iq. He is growing on me big time and is yet another reason B Ellis should be dropped.

I would be ok with Baker staying in the best22
some of his skills were sublime on the weekend

his kick to lynch for the sealer was a bullet
 

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Cause his not Higgins anymore. Where did all that enthusiasm go? Haven't seen him get excited at any stage this year like previous. He is playing ok and doing his job though seems to have matured quickly, I hear he has a girlfriend now maybe she told him to grow up hehe.:Do_O:eek:
Stephanie is extremely mature for a 15 year old and has been a good influence on Higgins

Who plays HBF with Menadue OUT? Ellis? I don't think we want to see Ellis in that half of the ground. He was better mid >fwd last week. All small fwds were good too. For me it would be Graham OUT
Shane Edwards & Sydney Stack

Graham led stoppage clearances, no way known is omitted.
KMc fined $1000 by MRP.
That would absolutely destroy K-Mac , He travelled 40 klms to pickup a toilet as it was $26 cheaper than the shop 15klms away
 

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You suggest that Cotchin and Martin come out of the middle for Graham. Martin was the leagues best centre clearance player last year, and well Cotchin is 10 time the player that Graham is. Also Martin is no half forward, is only good resting at FF where Lynch now sits. Of course Graham can rotate through there and he goes okay, but when he is rotating out of the centre he plays wing or half forward, where he isn't much chop. In a full squad he will struggle.
And he has not had a game remotely close to his great grand final game.

Lol how do you figure Martin was the best clearance player last year??? Actually when push comes to shove I think Fyfe is probably the best clearance player because of his reach

I would have thought Martin won the Brownlow as a rotating player and general mid as well as his proficiency winning contests as a forward and not purely a clearance player.

I would have thought Cotch is a better clearance player than Martin for one.

Martin is a better forward and kick than an extractor IMO at the coal face. If Martin was such a great extractor last year how did Tom Mitchell win the brownlow?

I actually think Martin is better in space than inside where his has room to hit his targets and use the don't argue and so he can utilise his strength and power along with his speed. Its hard to don't argue when you have four around you on all sides in a confined space!

Do you think JR, Lynch and Caddy would rather be on the end of a hack kick from the middle from Martin or a 55 metre piercing bullet from his boot? If Martin is in space at the 50 metre why deny Martin the opportunity to kick a goal with his long penetrating disposal? Certainly gives more space for the forwards in Lynch, JR and Caddy if opposition defenses have to worry about Martin kicking goals from the 50 metre line and beyond!!

Martin is a dud half forward?? I think I have heard it all!! May as well hang up his boots!!:rolleyes:

Not sure why your limiting Graham to half forward and the wing beyond the guts either!!

Put it this way, would you prefer Martin doing a hack kick forward into the forward line or be on the end of a Ross or Graham extractor handball where Martin has room to burst away and smash JR or Lynch on the chest running forward as they lead out??
 
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