Robbie Warnock

[Graffy4242]

Was a BEAST yesterday.

We certainly seem to win all of the important centre clearances when he is rucking. Did a bit of roving of his own and of course kicked the vital 1st goal.

I think the crucial thing that the coaching staff need to work out is where and how to play Kruezer if Warnock is doing most of the ruckwork.

 

[BM123]

I think having two quality rucks in Kreuzer and Warnock is the way to go from now on. Despite our average H&A season we do have three A-grade midfielders and having ruck dominance will bring these guys in to the game. May even become capable of beating teams like Hawthorn and Geelong next year with this set up since we really troubled Hawthorn when guys like Judd and Gibbs were getting first use due to Kreuzer's tap domination.

 

[Charles Mac]

I would like to see Kreuzer have an opportunity to develop into a key back. He reads the play very well and this would give us the option of playing the other rucks. Kreuzer's last of pace of the mark is the only worry but if he could hold down CHB the side looks good with waite and Henderson forward.

 

[thylacine60]

Perhaps a better spoiler than mark - he still runs under a lot of high balls.

 

[BM123]

Kreuzer should never be the designated back man but he could do that Dean cox role where he is given license to roam by going back to defend then jogging forward to provide a option.

 

[pinot]

Always plays very well in finals.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Earned his (very large) salary yesterday.

 

[Claypigeon]

I think having two quality rucks in Kreuzer and Warnock is the way to go from now on. Despite our average H&A season we do have three A-grade midfielders and having ruck dominance will bring these guys in to the game. May even become capable of beating teams like Hawthorn and Geelong next year with this set up since we really troubled Hawthorn when guys like Judd and Gibbs were getting first use due to Kreuzer's tap domination.

Problem I have against teams like Hawthorn, Geelong and the like is that they almost like conceding the ruck dominance and even occasionally the centre clearance and then set up for the rebound across half back. .. This is where Warnock can hurt us, if he cannot make ground and take defensive marks to help repel these turnover specialists. ..

Kreuzer should never be the designated back man but he could do that Dean cox role where he is given license to roam by going back to defend then jogging forward to provide a option.

This might be what we need to deal with the above. .. Add Walker, Simmo and Hendo into the mix and we can rebound the rebound. ..

 

[Quazza]

quite enjoyed seeing them both go up in the last. 206 was designated, but MK was 3rd man up on a number of occasions and it seemed to really work for us

god I cannot wait to get home and watch the replay

 

[jusjoshin]

Glad to see you guys are getting value out of him. Was always going to be a decent ruckman.

 

[Sublime]

Still think we need to offload one of our 3 experienced rucks. They'd all be on decent coin. We're overdue for a young project rookie ruckman. Maybe even also a cheap mature aged ruckman if one is around in case of emergency as well.

 

[calman]

thought for a trade out of left field. You need to trade quality to get quality. What woudl be peoples thoughts about offering kreuzer to GWS in a straight swap for their pick 1, We get to pick up a gun key forward, GWS get a strong bodied ruckman, I think kreuzer is the better player, but we can cover his loss with warnock. Gun key forwards are rare

 

[Quazza]

this should be good..............

 

[Jeremias]

thought for a trade out of left field. You need to trade quality to get quality. What woudl be peoples thoughts about offering kreuzer to GWS in a straight swap for their pick 1, We get to pick up a gun key forward, GWS get a strong bodied ruckman, I think kreuzer is the better player, but we can cover his loss with warnock. Gun key forwards are rare

Has been covered ad nauseum, and the answer is still an emphatic no.

We won't be trading Kreuzer and rightly so.

 

[gbatman]

He was good, just wish he could get more of it and mark more. Is a really nice kick of the ball. May no longer have the shoulders for marking.

 

[Blue Dangerfield]

Kreuzer should never be the designated back man but he could do that Dean cox role where he is given license to roam by going back to defend then jogging forward to provide a option.

Perhaps we could teach him to rest as a lose man back.

 

[Blue4Life]

0 marks between kruzer and Warnock...they both contributed in other ways to a great win against richmond but will it hold up against the better teams?

 

[GoBlues!]

Comes down to the club's philosophy on ruckmen and the ruck in general.

Agree.

Early call, but I think the Robinson in the ruck experiment should be shelved.

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Hope he comes out and smashes Mummy and Pike this week.
I then hope we trade him in the off-season either packaged or singular for the lowest draft pick possible.
Happy to go with Kreuzer / Hampson / Casboult next year.
Tough call, but will add more value than keeping both he and Kreuzer on the same list

 

[BM123]

0 marks between kruzer and Warnock...they both contributed in other ways to a great win against richmond but will it hold up against the better teams?

Sandilands and Clarke killed Geelong so I think it can.

 

[KnobHead]

Not sure about Warnock & Kruz in the same side. At the moment I'd have Warnock first ruck.

Warnock & Kruz are both first ruckmen, not forwards who can ruck. Hampson shows more as a forward / second ruck because he at least creates a marking contest.

Kruz has shown very little as a forward to date, just doesn't take enough marks or even makes enough contests, even when rucking.

The other dilemma is Warnock is a far better tap ruckman, and our mids have done very well in the last month. Kruz does better round the ground than Warnock, although Warnock showed a fair bit round the ground yesterday & does well in finals.

If Kruz could show more as a forward, then this could become a great duo, otherwise we have to choose between one or the other.

 

[BM123]

Disagree. Every side in the finals so far who dominated the ruck has won the game. Warnock or Kreuzer alone against the Pyke, Mumford duo will be terrible for us.

 

[Boltfromtheblue]

Every footy club needs at least 2 quality rucks. In my view this is Warnock and Kruz.
We forget they they are still developing. Warnock can still put on more size, still needs to improve his endurance. Kruze seems to be injured. They have had very few games playing together and also need to learn how to do this optimally (i.e. for us to truly assess whether playing both is a viable option).

I am very much in favour of playing both for a bit longer to see how this plan plays out and to see how they develop as a ruck duo, but also to see how they develop the other aspects of they game as a duo.

 

[Claypigeon]

0 marks between kruzer and Warnock...they both contributed in other ways to a great win against richmond but will it hold up against the better teams?

I swear I saw Robbie take a chest mark along the wing early on, all on his own. .. Must have imagined it. ..

 

[broady4]

thought for a trade out of left field. You need to trade quality to get quality. What woudl be peoples thoughts about offering kreuzer to GWS in a straight swap for their pick 1, We get to pick up a gun key forward, GWS get a strong bodied ruckman, I think kreuzer is the better player, but we can cover his loss with warnock. Gun key forwards are rare

Heard on radio a few times GWS wont trade their first pick, only pick 9 is up for grabs. Either way I'd stick with kruze.