the annual nicnat vs grundy/gawn shitfight is in full swing!
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In 2021 Naitanui beats Gawn in HOs to advantage, HOs to advantage percentage, clearances, contested possessions, tackles, score launches, inside 50s and pressure acts and all of them by some margin.
In fact I can't think of a key statistic Gawn wins except for contested marks. Maybe goals, but a difference of 6 goals for the season really shouldn't swing the argument.
Gawn does beat him in convincingly in clangers and turnovers, so I guess there's that.
Your claim is without any merit.
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Gawn is superior in disposal numbers, he takes 4 times the amount of marks, far more contested marks, plenty more marks inside 50, 8 times the amount of goals, 50% more effective disposals, better disposal efficiency, more score involvements, more intercept possessions, etc.
Gawn is a far better all-round ruckman, but yes, Naitanui has some strong skill sets and is a great player. Neutrals can decide who'd they'd prefer.
Hit outs, disposals, goals, marks.
only all the main ones. He wins many of these quite clearly too.
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Trust me when I say that Dees fans don’t give a s**t about Nic Nat. Isn’t mentioned on our board at all like Grundy, Goldstein or Hickey are.
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Gawn is probably slightly ahead of Naitanui at this stage of the season, but there's still 9 games to go.
Gawn a bit disappointing today against the novice Lynch while Lever and May certainly did not get their own way as they usually do.
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He's been awesome but I think he's behind Hickey and Grundy too. Darcy will be AA ruck in a few years though, only 23
Hickey was good the first 6 weeks or so.
But Darcy absolutely monstered him a couple of weeks back.
Grundy has been well off his best and both him and Hickey have already missed a few games each too.
Darcy is likely to win the freo B&F at this stage if he keeps going the way he is and his stats are ahead of pretty much everyone apart from Gawn so I’d say he is a very decent chance for the 40 man squad.
That settles it then, you can't argue with the Melbourne bigfooty board!
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NicNat over Gawn for me. Have a look at the midfield groups each currently have at their disposal. NicNat able to make much more of much less.
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Gawn's been getting pantsed by backup ruckmen, rookies and journeymen for years. It's his kryptonite.
Didn't watch the game too closely but I thought that was one of May's better games. Oliver and Trac both as bad as I've seen them this year though.
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One game doesn't change the fact Gawn has been better than Naitanui this year, but the gap is certainly not as large as some are suggesting.
NN picked up coaches votes yet again, for the record.
NN picked up coaches votes yet again, for the record.
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Oliver should have had 3 goals, it wasn't that bad, stat line reads 20 possessions or whatever but if he has 2 or 3 goals and not 1...he's BOG!
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He was averaging 7.25 tackles over the last 4 games, and had just the one against Collingwood.
Equal lowest # of possessions he's had this year. And his decision making was pretty average, burned a few players and tried to do too much and got caught a few times.
Given how good he's been it was a shocking performance.
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Gawn has had a better season YTD than Nic
But Nic has really starting hitting his straps.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him surpass Gawn for lead ruck by the end of the year.
However for all the commentary around Nic - he is again the 2nd* highest ranked non-midfielder in the coaches votes - so strangely the lack of marks don't seem to reduce his importance to the coaches.
* 3rd if you consider Mundy a forward
But Nic has really starting hitting his straps.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him surpass Gawn for lead ruck by the end of the year.
However for all the commentary around Nic - he is again the 2nd* highest ranked non-midfielder in the coaches votes - so strangely the lack of marks don't seem to reduce his importance to the coaches.
* 3rd if you consider Mundy a forward
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Dismissing Nic because he doesn't take loose marks at half back is like bagging Adam Gilchrist for not taking wickets.
His only serious shortcoming is his inability to play more than about 70% - however that's more likely due to the power/bullocking athlete he is
When was the last time an opposition ruck got a coaches vote against him? With all their marking and fitness and the supposed multitude of Naitanui shortcomings - he should be exposed game in game out ... surely
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Mind You if your talking main stats Nicnat is actually 5th overall for clearances behind only Libba, Parish, Oliver and Laird
Gawn ranked 49th which is also behind other ruckman in Hickey, Darcy and Grundy in that particular stat
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Nic Nat's a superstar. Feels weird comparing him to Gawn. Same position but completely different players. If there's two ruckman picked they're both in.
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Stanley in round 6 pulled some coaches votes against Naitanui. Has only managed two more games in the seniors since then though.
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Gawn has an off day and suddenly he’s second ruck in the AA? Please. He’s been utterly dominant for 10 out of 13 games the side sitting a game clear on top of the ladder.
Cool your jets. It would take an almighty slump for our Max to be dislodged from the starting AA ruck position. Aint gonna happen. The bloke is a superstar.
Cool your jets. It would take an almighty slump for our Max to be dislodged from the starting AA ruck position. Aint gonna happen. The bloke is a superstar.
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Was that this year?
Actually I reckon Stanley has done it to him a couple of times - reckon he got the better of him at Subi a number of years back as well.
He and Sandi always gave Nic trouble
I think Goldy may have had a ding dong with NIc late season a couple of years back as well. Not sure who ended up posting the votes that game.
Case in point - it doesn't happen very often - maybe once every year or 2.
Where as Nic has polled votes regularly against the other "contenders" - in fact most times he plays them
