Analysis Rolling All-Australian team for 2021

[Boristown]

I feel score involvements and score launches would be more relevant

Dale averages more score involvements than the other 2.

 

[eth-dog]

When are score involvements more relevant than goals.

Player A has 15 score involvements that amount to 5 goals 10 scored by other players.

Player B has 12 score involvements that amount to 10 goals 2 including 6 goals personally scored.

Which player do you want on your team?

When talking about defenders. It isn't their role to kick goals. It's their job to stop them and for guys like Dale, Rich and the like to launch them

 

[Boristown]

When talking about defenders. It isn't their role to kick goals. It's their job to stop them and for guys like Dale, Rich and the like to launch them

Dales does launch them, generally through the middle from 50m.

 

[ashep]

Hasn't been a top 4 side without a player in the team since the Pies in 2002

 

[SSwans2011]

I don't expect the Swans to have anyone make the AA side

Mills - missed games + very tight competition among mids
Hickey - has been great for us, but wont make the team
Papley - started the year slowly
Dawson - as per Mills in mid, lots of competition on HBF

Paps has had a hit and miss year, but I think he just about makes it.

It's probably down to him Cameron, Greene, and AMT as far as small forwards go. I reckon Greene's a lock, and Paps has probably passed AMT, and is ahead of Cameron in just about every stat except goals, and don't think 2 goals is enough to account for the other discrepancies.

It'd be pretty funny if Paps did make it, because I don't think he's been in our top 5 players this year. I'd have Mills, Parker, Hickey, Bud and Dawson ahead of him at least. Maybe McCartin too.

 

[Duskfire]

Paps has had a hit and miss year, but I think he just about makes it.

It's probably down to him Cameron, Greene, and AMT as far as small forwards go. I reckon Greene's a lock, and Paps has probably passed AMT, and is ahead of Cameron in just about every stat except goals, and don't think 2 goals is enough to account for the other discrepancies.

It'd be pretty funny if Paps did make it, because I don't think he's been in our top 5 players this year. I'd have Mills, Parker, Hickey, Bud and Dawson ahead of him at least. Maybe McCartin too.

It wouldn't surprise me if Tom Greene is the only small forward to make it. We have seen it in previous years; if the forward hasn't been outstanding, they will just put a goal kicking midfielder in that place. I could easily see Bont or Petracca getting in that spot instead.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Hasn't been a top 4 side without a player in the team since the Pies in 2002

A good finish to the season could have Swans top 4 and Buddy up forward. He's probably your best shot, outside of Papley given there's not many better small forward options and he's been pretty good

 

[Bollox]

It may not be popular with the kiddies, but if Sydney doesnt get a single fella into this yrs team it'd be a hellova strong signal. Would not be the slightest bit disappointed.

Chances for the squad in likely order.
Mills
Parker
Dawson
Papley
McCartin a sneaky chance for the squad. Great season down back that has largely gone under the radar.

 

[Duskfire]

It may not be popular with the kiddies, but if Sydney doesnt get a single fella into this yrs team it'd be a hellova strong signal. Would not be the slightest bit disappointed.

Chances for the squad in likely order.
Mills
Parker
Dawson
Papley
McCartin a sneaky chance for the squad. Great season down back that has largely gone under the radar.

I completely agree. The AA is for individuals, but it is entirely possible to have a strong team with even contributors still do well. I am not sure why there is the expectation that the higher a team is the more AA they should have. Carlton for instance will probably have 3, maybe 4. Which is more then Geelong, just as many as Melb, etc etc. Makes little difference in the scheme of things.

I think it is a good sign when a strong team has little to no AA.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

STRANGE PHENOMENA

Geelong FC -the two Toms in Tom Hawkins

26

Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

& Tom Stewart are likely to be the only Cats to be in the final All-Australian team.

Geelong are good chance of winning their last 3 H & A games of which are all to be played at their home ground at GMHBA. If they do so, it will have them winning 14 of their past 15 H & A games & remarkably with this likely hypothetical in mind, there's still a very good chance that there'll be only 2 players in the All-Australian team in Tom Hawkins

26

Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

& Tom Stewart. Injuries & evenness of playing group the likely factor to having possibly only 2 players representative for the Cats in the All Australian team but none the less it does appear to be a strange phenomena, especially with so many other teams losing games below them on AFL ladder...... but I guess it is what it is.

 

[KissKiss]

Paps has had a hit and miss year, but I think he just about makes it.

It's probably down to him Cameron, Greene, and AMT as far as small forwards go. I reckon Greene's a lock, and Paps has probably passed AMT, and is ahead of Cameron in just about every stat except goals, and don't think 2 goals is enough to account for the other discrepancies.

It'd be pretty funny if Paps did make it, because I don't think he's been in our top 5 players this year. I'd have Mills, Parker, Hickey, Bud and Dawson ahead of him at least. Maybe McCartin too.

Much the same for Cameron and us. He wouldnt be close to our best 5 players this year, but then I dont think that should be a real consideration for small forwards. Its a bit of niche hard to play role and they can get lost in tough games if the ball doesnt head there often.

Personally I am always an advocate of picking accurate positions and not just extra mids but I fully expect it to be just Greene (with Petracca and co on the flanks) this year

 

[Bulldog Joe]

When talking about defenders. It isn't their role to kick goals. It's their job to stop them and for guys like Dale, Rich and the like to launch them

You stated it was more about score launches, but my counter is that actual goals are mostly better.

It is a given that they are all performing their allotted task as defenders, although I would suggest that the modern half back is now more about intercept and rebound than just stopping goals.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

It may not be popular with the kiddies, but if Sydney doesnt get a single fella into this yrs team it'd be a hellova strong signal. Would not be the slightest bit disappointed.

Chances for the squad in likely order.
Mills
Parker
Dawson
Papley
McCartin a sneaky chance for the squad. Great season down back that has largely gone under the radar.

McCartin is no chance.
Not because he hasn't played well, but the under the radar bit means he is not even in discussion.

The team is picked by people who are only interested in flavour of the month/year.

To get picked you need to be talked up somewhere.

 

[SSwans2011]

Much the same for Cameron and us. He wouldnt be close to our best 5 players this year, but then I dont think that should be a real consideration for small forwards. Its a bit of niche hard to play role and they can get lost in tough games if the ball doesnt head there often.

Personally I am always an advocate of picking accurate positions and not just extra mids but I fully expect it to be just Greene (with Petracca and co on the flanks) this year

Yeah, feel like he and Papley have had perpexingly similar seasons in terms of productivity and consistency. Both still clearly two of the best small forwards in the game and lethal at their best, but have also both put in a few stinkers due to form, niggles, or shite performances by their respective sides. Hasn't really felt like an All Australian year for either of them, but they're both reasonable chances to make the squad.

 

[PhatBoy]

STRANGE PHENOMENA

Geelong FC -the two Toms in Tom Hawkins & Tom Stewart are likely to be the only Cats to be in the final All-Australian team.

Geelong are good chance of winning their last 3 H & A games of which are all to be played at their home ground at GMHBA. If they do so, it will have them winning 14 of their past 15 H & A games & remarkably with this likely hypothetical in mind, there's still a very good chance that there'll be only 2 players in the All-Australian team in Tom Hawkins & Tom Stewart. Injuries & evenness of playing group the likely factor to having possibly only 2 players representative for the Cats in the All Australian team but none the less it does appear to be a strange phenomena, especially with so many other teams losing games below them on AFL ladder...... but I guess it is what it is.

Fairly accurate. Perhaps strangely our next most likely would be Jack Henry

 

[SSwans2011]

McCartin is no chance.
Not because he hasn't played well, but the under the radar bit means he is not even in discussion.

The team is picked by people who are only interested in flavour of the month/year.

To get picked you need to be talked up somewhere.

I don't think McCartin will make the squad, but the flavour of the month method of selection might work in his favour if his form keeps up.

He struggled in a few games earlier in the year, but nobody will remember those matches if his form doesn't dip and the media pick-up on his importance to our side (especially with our lack of key defenders).

But unless he puts in a few more near-BOG performances (not improbable), I still think Mills, Papley, and Parker are likely our only players that will make the squad.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

Fairly accurate. Perhaps strangely our next most likely would be Jack Henry

PhatBoy, going back sometime ago I seen video footage of Jack Henry as a junior, pre-draft days & it completely baffled me that he never made the main-draft but went in Rookie-draft being selected by the Cats, so we eventually & 'fortunately' got him anyway. But I must say this kid has shown tremendous courage, talent & commitment to the football & contest right from the get go, with this year being a break out year for him. Especially with his performance when playing on Jack Riewoldt at the MCG in Geelong's first game against the Tigers earlier in year, he beat Jack several times in one on one contests (quiet easily) which was some feat, so he's come along way in a short period of time & yeah I agree with you PhatBoy with Jack being a smokey for the All Australian but at least big show of making squad.

PhatBoy, I love players who 'regularly' display tremendous courage in aerial contests like Jack Henry but for that matter I just love any player, particularly young players early in their careers, displaying courage for the ball in 'any' contest, these players more times than not make very good footballers, especially come finals when a player has to put his body on the line even moreso, Jimmy Bartel would be a great example of this from when he was young. Then we have the player who has all the talent but not the heart like Rankin for Gold Coast, top draft pick but lacks commitment to the ball & applying pressure to opposition players, so unless he changes his ways he'll never be a top AFL player.

PS - Been big fan of Nathan Krueger ever since I seen footage of him as a junior, similar to Jack Henry, so look out for Krueg's in coming years PhatBoy because the kid is going to be a excellent player in time for the Cats.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I completely agree. The AA is for individuals, but it is entirely possible to have a strong team with even contributors still do well. I am not sure why there is the expectation that the higher a team is the more AA they should have. Carlton for instance will probably have 3, maybe 4. Which is more then Geelong, just as many as Melb, etc etc. Makes little difference in the scheme of things.

I think it is a good sign when a strong team has little to no AA.

22 Bloods players have received Coaches' votes. The team is very even.

 

[Le Grille]

22 Bloods players have received Coaches' votes. The team is very even.

It would seem so interesting to see how many noms

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

It would seem so interesting to see how many noms

fwiw I think Noble is striving for a similar evenness from your mob.

 

[Le Grille]

fwiw I think Noble is striving for a similar evenness from your mob.

I think or at least hope so

 

[NonPhixion]

FB: Lever Weitering Rich

HB: Stewart Andrews Dale

C: Walsh Wines Macrae

HF: Greene Walker Petracca

FF: Papley McKay Hawkins

FOLL: Gawn Bontempelli(C) Oliver

INT: Fritsch Dawson Parish Miller

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

FB: Lever Weitering Rich

HB: Stewart Andrews Dale

C: Walsh Wines Macrae

HF: Greene Walker Petracca

FF: Papley McKay Hawkins

FOLL: Gawn Bontempelli(C) Oliver

INT: Fritsch Dawson Parish Miller

no..no..no...no

Replace Papley with Stringer, Cameron or AMT.

Dawson is an average player whose form is not at AA level. Replace immediately with some random Carlton player - you just know they deserve the accolade.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

NonPhixion said:

FB: Lever Weitering Rich

HB: Stewart Andrews Dale

C: Walsh Wines Macrae

HF: Greene Walker Petracca

FF: Papley McKay Hawkins

FOLL: Gawn Bontempelli(C) Oliver

INT: Fritsch Dawson Parish Miller

Replace Papley with Stringer, Cameron or AMT.
Dawson is an average player whose form is not at AA level. Replace immediately with some random Carlton player - you just know they deserve the accolade.

Have Stringer (deserves to be in side, he's dynamic) replace Dawson (strange pick) and one of three in Papley, AMT or Cameron or random Carlton player!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

no..no..no...no

Replace Papley with Stringer, Cameron or AMT.

Dawson is an average player whose form is not at AA level. Replace immediately with some random Carlton player - you just know they deserve the accolade.

Get Plowman in. Surely reverse coleman deserves a jacket?