Rolling Ashes Squad Thread

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We took 17 players on the 2015 Ashes tour including Cummins who replaced Ryan Harris. It will be a big squad.

What I reckon we'll go with:

Batsmen: Warner, Harris, Khawaja, Renshaw, Smith, Head then someone or some two out of Maxwell/Labuschagne/Bancroft/Wade
AR: M Marsh or Stoinis depending on second half of Shield season form (deal with it, a pace bowling AR is going)
WK: Paine, Carey
Pace: Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Richardson, Siddle (one up and coming tearaway, one reliable back up)
Spin: Lyon, Agar (they always take Agar)

I actually think with Smith and Warner coming back they'll leave Shaun Marsh behind.
 

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Not a lot of love for SMarsh but everyone knows he's one of the top six batsmen in Australia. Its part of the reason people get so pissed when he fails. I'd be taking him to England.
 

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Not a lot of love for SMarsh but everyone knows he's one of the top six batsmen in Australia. Its part of the reason people get so pissed when he fails. I'd be taking him to England.
How exactly does everyone know that? Is it his one 50 in his last 20 innings at test level or whatever it is?
 

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Not a lot of love for SMarsh but everyone knows he's one of the top six batsmen in Australia. Its part of the reason people get so pissed when he fails. I'd be taking him to England.
He has experience no doubt, but i really doubt his capacity to perform. Especially over there. One thing going for him is that he has a very good technique and you need that for swinging conditions.
 

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How exactly does everyone know that? Is it his one 50 in his last 20 innings at test level or whatever it is?
Its not good enough... but then again what makes people think cycling speculative no names through the team with FC averages of 25-30 will achieve a better result in England than sticking with an experienced player who averages 70 odd at FC level?
 

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To me the team is;

Warner
Harris
Khawaja
Smith
Marsh
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Cummins
Richardson
Hazelwood
Lyon

* dunno who at six. I like Stoinis for his compact skidding bowling but I dunno if his batting would hold up. MMarsh needs to find form with the bat but again his bowling could go alright in England. Lababababancher or Agar are other alrounder options. Other than that our batting is poo so its probably best going for whichever specialist batsman we think at the time.
 

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How exactly does everyone know that? Is it his one 50 in his last 20 innings at test level or whatever it is?
Smarsh annoys the crap out of me, but he makes runs for fun in the Shield. He's consistently been head and shoulders above anyone you'd consider replacing him with - I think he's averaging something like 90 so far this season.

The reality is that Marsh isn't keeping a handful of wunderkinds out of the team. We just don't have the cattle at present.
 
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Smarsh annoys the crap out of me, but he makes runs for fun in the Shield. He's consistently been head and shoulders above anyone you'd consider replacing him with - I think he's averaging something like 90 so far this season.

The reality is that Marsh isn't keeping a handful of wunderkinds out of the team. We just don't have the cattle at present.
I appreciate the lack of depth we have but I don’t accept that we therefore accept mediocrity and tell ourselves it’s the best we’ve got. In fact Marsh’s 2018 has been below mediocre, it’s been awful. We learn nothing from him strugggling massively, while on chance number 8 in the test team. I’ve never seen this sort of circumstance where a now 35 gets gifted endless chances based on potential rather than performance. Yes he scores heavily in the shield and so his selection this summer was justified, but he has yet again done nothing with it.
 

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Is a quite funny, we are complaining about players averaging low 30s in tests and saying they’re are no good, the batting is struggling big time, but it’s ok to carry a batsman averaging 18!!! Did you ever think the problem is these new players come in and the experienced player in the lineup is so ******* shit and out of form thy don’t have any guidance?

If Shaun Marsh plays Sri Lanka let alone the Ashes shows there is something seriously wrong with Australian Cricket and it’s initials are BNG.
 

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I appreciate the lack of depth we have but I don’t accept that we therefore accept mediocrity and tell ourselves it’s the best we’ve got. In fact Marsh’s 2018 has been below mediocre, it’s been awful. We learn nothing from him strugggling massively, while on chance number 8 in the test team. I’ve never seen this sort of circumstance where a now 35 gets gifted endless chances based on potential rather than performance. Yes he scores heavily in the shield and so his selection this summer was justified, but he has yet again done nothing with it.
What's the alternative? Throw a bunch of demonstrably worse FC batsmen at the wall and hope something sticks? England tried that in the '90s and it did nothing but destroy a whole lot of young players.

If you're going to make an evidence-based selection of the best team available - Shaun Marsh is part of that team, mediocre or not.
 

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What's the alternative? Throw a bunch of demonstrably worse FC batsmen at the wall and hope something sticks?

England tried that in the '90s and it did nothing but destroy a whole lot of young players.
I don’t think it will ruin Wade or Burns to be chucked in. We already have enough youth in. If they fail, we haven’t lost anything. I agree in the team reflecting FC form. Marsh was the best performing, he got another crack. It didn’t work, again. Tick it off the list, move to the next option.
 

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I don’t think it will ruin Wade or Burns to be chucked in. We already have enough youth in. If they fail, we haven’t lost anything. I agree in the team reflecting FC form. Marsh was the best performing, he got another crack. It didn’t work, again. Tick it off the list, move to the next option.
If you are going on current FC form, Marsh has been superior to both Wade and Burns this Shield season:

Wade: 12 innings, 571 runs @ 63.44 (1 century)
Burns: 12 innings, 472 runs @ 57.20 (0 centuries)
Marsh: 6 innings, 443 runs @ 88.60 (1 century)
 
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If you are going on current FC form, Marsh has been superior to both Wade and Burns this Shield season.
I tried to reference that in my previous post. That’s why I think it was fair to give him one last chance. Having the best FC average this year though does not give him a locked in place for life. He clearly could not convert that form to test level against India in the tests. It doesn’t mean that no FC form can used as a guide however. It is still possible for Wade or Burns etc who have had good form to come in and make an impact. Just because Marsh could not doesn’t mean no one can.
 

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We're not talking about a spot for life, we're talking about the best team on current form.

Why would you think Wade or Burns will do better, given that they are both also failed at Test level and currently performing significantly worse than Marsh in the Shield?

It's just change for the sake of change.
 

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What's the alternative? Throw a bunch of demonstrably worse FC batsmen at the wall and hope something sticks? England tried that in the '90s and it did nothing but destroy a whole lot of young players.

If you're going to make an evidence-based selection of the best team available - Shaun Marsh is part of that team, mediocre or not.
At some point though you have to realise when a batsman is unable, for whatever reason, to translate his domestic form onto the international stage. Marsh is Australia's equivalent of Hick/Ramprakash. Perhaps the malaise was due to blindly believing that transition would eventuate.
 

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Why would you think Wade or Burns will do better, given that they are both also failed at Test level and currently performing significantly worse than Marsh in the Shield?

It's just change for the sake of change.
It’s simply not change for the sake of change. Marsh has made one 50 in 20 innings. That is garbage form. It isn’t horses for courses where we could lose his solid form. Marsh is currently on his 8th recall to the team. Not second or third. There is a clear difference. Your point about them averaging less this year in the shield is nonsensical. Does someone have to average 90 from now on to get a look in just because Marsh did?
 
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I've got to say, I'm really starting to warm to Stoinis at 6, there is just something about him. He is a competitor and he is a pretty good bat who has been constantly improving. Feel free to shoot me down but if you are going to take a punt on an all rounder, I'd FAR prefer him over Labushayne and I'm a Queensland supporter.
Who cares if someone has ‘something about them’. The bloke hasn’t made a FC century in over 2yrs. Mitch has made 8 in that time and he still sucks. I don’t understand at all why people think Stoinis would be any better.
 

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It’s simply not change for the sake of change. Marsh has made one 50 in 20 innings. That is garbage form. It isn’t horses for courses where we could lose his solid form. Marsh is currently on his 8th recall to the team. Not second or third. There is a clear difference. Your point about them averaging less this year in the shield is nonsensical. Does someone have to average 90 from now on to get a look in just because Marsh did?
Glenn Maxwell has started a Test career with one score past 50 in 14 innings and according to half this board he's the unluckiest and most robbed player by the selectors in the history of cricket.
 
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