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That’s a given but I wouldn’t assume Burns would have scored mountains of runs against Bumrah at least.
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That’s a given but I wouldn’t assume Burns would have scored mountains of runs against Bumrah at least.
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Y tho?
D. Warner
M. Harris
J. Burns
S. Smith
T. Head
K. Patterson
T. Paine
P. Cummins
J. Richardson
N. Lyon
J. Hazlewood
U. Khawaja
M. Labuschagne
M. Stoinis
M. Starc
C. Tremain
J. Holland
M. Harris
J. Burns
S. Smith
T. Head
K. Patterson
T. Paine
P. Cummins
J. Richardson
N. Lyon
J. Hazlewood
U. Khawaja
M. Labuschagne
M. Stoinis
M. Starc
C. Tremain
J. Holland
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Trevor? Can I ask then, do the runs Patterson is making right now count? He is batting at 6, after all.
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Warner
Harris (on thin ice)
Khawaja (on thin ice)
Smith
Burns
Head
Paine
Cummins
Starc (on thin ice)
Lyon
Hazlewood
Renshaw/Bancroft competing for Harris's spot, Patterson next in line for a middle order spot, Richardson putting pressure on Starc, Labuschagne not on the plane.
Harris (on thin ice)
Khawaja (on thin ice)
Smith
Burns
Head
Paine
Cummins
Starc (on thin ice)
Lyon
Hazlewood
Renshaw/Bancroft competing for Harris's spot, Patterson next in line for a middle order spot, Richardson putting pressure on Starc, Labuschagne not on the plane.
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Seems the logical top six to me but Warner and Smith both having surgery is not ideal. It's bad enough they haven't played for 12 months.
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I'm assuming we'll take 16.
Warner
Burns
Patterson
Smith
Head
Stoinis/Labushagne/Maxwell
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazlewood
Renshaw, Richardson, Khawaja. Maybe needs another bowler - not sure we have a stand out second spinner option.
You could comfortably talk me into not taking Labushagne. Wade maybe there as a batsman and keep in emergencies.
Warner
Burns
Patterson
Smith
Head
Stoinis/Labushagne/Maxwell
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazlewood
Renshaw, Richardson, Khawaja. Maybe needs another bowler - not sure we have a stand out second spinner option.
You could comfortably talk me into not taking Labushagne. Wade maybe there as a batsman and keep in emergencies.
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Let’s be honest here, Mitch Marsh would ton up in this game!
Like Khawaja, Harris and Lacrombieandfitch did?
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Pretty hard to drop a bloke after making a ton. I'd say Burns, Patterson, Head are all locks now along with Smith and Warner.
That leaves Khawaja and Harris fighting for the one spot IMO.
Harris has looked really good but has done himself no favours by throwing away his wicket when he's looked set. We all know how good Khawaja is but he's badly out of form.
That leaves Khawaja and Harris fighting for the one spot IMO.
Harris has looked really good but has done himself no favours by throwing away his wicket when he's looked set. We all know how good Khawaja is but he's badly out of form.
A few more may well have been the difference in that first test.
Coming in at 4/350, yeah they probably would. I’m sure Harris would have loved a life as well...
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Playing 11:
1. Burns - No reason why he shouldn't get a go, 4 centuries in his first 16 tests as opener.
2. Renshaw - Proven player at county level, hopefully finds from before the ashes.
3. Khawaja - Still capable of match defining innings but by golly he would want to find some form soon
4. Smith - Best bat we have, hopefully lack of red ball cricket doesn't hurt him.
5. Patterson - Deserves a good run in the team, has to bat higher than Head.
6. Head - To his credit he is scoring runs, I wouldn't bat him any higher than 6 given his crap conversion rate in the Shield and his propensity for brain fades. Let him bat with the tail and hit quick fire runs.
7. Paine (+) - Keeping very well and Captain for the foreseeable future.
8. Cummins - first picked, he is becoming a match winner.
9. Richardson - Starc needs a kick up the bum and Richardson looks like he would be handful in England if conditions are favourable.
10. Hazlewood - Needs to improve but will play a key role as the stock bowler.
11. Lyon - GOAT, should be a solid deterrent for England to role out dry wickets like they used to for Swann.
Rest of squad:
Bowlers:
Siddle - In for experience and recent form in country cricket. In if Hazlewood gets injured.
Tremain - Next paceman in if Cummins or Richardson get injured.
O'Keefe - He might be a dickhead but he is a good player and we haven't won in England since 2001.
Bats:
Wade - might be hard dropping anyone from the team for him but would be good backup for the middle order. Plays as back up keeper until we can fly someone into the squad.
Harris - replacement opener if Burns or Renshaw fail. Not sold on him yet - seems to just get out.
Labushagne - I like this guy, hopefully he scores well in the rest of the shield. Could be handy if playing a spinning deck.
1. Burns - No reason why he shouldn't get a go, 4 centuries in his first 16 tests as opener.
2. Renshaw - Proven player at county level, hopefully finds from before the ashes.
3. Khawaja - Still capable of match defining innings but by golly he would want to find some form soon
4. Smith - Best bat we have, hopefully lack of red ball cricket doesn't hurt him.
5. Patterson - Deserves a good run in the team, has to bat higher than Head.
6. Head - To his credit he is scoring runs, I wouldn't bat him any higher than 6 given his crap conversion rate in the Shield and his propensity for brain fades. Let him bat with the tail and hit quick fire runs.
7. Paine (+) - Keeping very well and Captain for the foreseeable future.
8. Cummins - first picked, he is becoming a match winner.
9. Richardson - Starc needs a kick up the bum and Richardson looks like he would be handful in England if conditions are favourable.
10. Hazlewood - Needs to improve but will play a key role as the stock bowler.
11. Lyon - GOAT, should be a solid deterrent for England to role out dry wickets like they used to for Swann.
Rest of squad:
Bowlers:
Siddle - In for experience and recent form in country cricket. In if Hazlewood gets injured.
Tremain - Next paceman in if Cummins or Richardson get injured.
O'Keefe - He might be a dickhead but he is a good player and we haven't won in England since 2001.
Bats:
Wade - might be hard dropping anyone from the team for him but would be good backup for the middle order. Plays as back up keeper until we can fly someone into the squad.
Harris - replacement opener if Burns or Renshaw fail. Not sold on him yet - seems to just get out.
Labushagne - I like this guy, hopefully he scores well in the rest of the shield. Could be handy if playing a spinning deck.
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Burns (Renshaw)
Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Head
Patterson (Maxwell)
Paine (Wade)
Cummins
Starc (Richardson)
Lyon
Hazlewood
Not a bad 11
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Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Head
Patterson (Maxwell)
Paine (Wade)
Cummins
Starc (Richardson)
Lyon
Hazlewood
Not a bad 11
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Under normal circumstances, sure, but not with two world class players coming back into the team. Players like Harris, Labuschagne and Patterson are fortunate to even be playing for Australia, let alone batting against a weak attack. I would have no problem with someone like Patterson being left out in favour of Smith, Warner and the experience of Khawaja.
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The question isn't do Patterson and Burns play ahead of Smith and Warner though. It's if they deserve to be dropped so that Harris and Khawja can stay in the side.
We have experience in Warner and Smith, do we need more experience with an out of form Khawaja? If we believe we do, then Harris would miss out.
Labuschagne is the first to go I'd say.
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These are the two likely batting line ups at the moment imo.
Warner
Burns
Khawaja
Smith
Head
Patterson
Warner
Harris
Patterson
Smith
Burns
Head
Harris/Khawaja, Stoinis and then whoever is banging the door down in the Shield as the back up
Warner
Burns
Khawaja
Smith
Head
Patterson
Warner
Harris
Patterson
Smith
Burns
Head
Harris/Khawaja, Stoinis and then whoever is banging the door down in the Shield as the back up
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You're right that it's not a question of straight swaps, the Australian side is a puzzle right now, it can definitely be shuffled around. I just don't like Burns as an opener and would be happier seeing him in the middle order with a specialist opener alongside Warner, but of course it's probably more likely they go with Warner and Burns, freeing up one more spot.
Warner and Smith might offer experience but they are coming in off 12 months out of the game. I have a feeling they will stick with Khawaja for stability in much the same way they picked SMarsh over summer.
I'd prefer they stick with Harris or go with with Bancroft or Renshaw and move Burns to the middle order, but I can see them going with:
Warner
Burns
Khawaja
Smith
Head
Patterson
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I'd be rolling with something similar to this as well.
The final Shield rounds might have a say as to who snags what spots though.
Holland didn't do much in the UAE, and he may have been picked as one of the non-BBL fill-ins.
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Just read that G Chappell will be retiring as a selector after The Ashes.
It would be very hard to drop Burns, Head, or Patterson after they made tons in this Test. Flat track issues aside, those were the first tons made since Usman’s 148 in the UAE. Head and Burns both average over 40 now, and Patterson would technically average 145 but it doesn’t make much sense to talk about an average after only 2 innings. I think Khawaja has to go. That dismissal was the last straw for me. He needs to sort himself out as he’s a liability right now. So that gives us the three centurions plus Warner and Smith. Paine, Cummins, and Lyon are all locks. That leaves 3 spots in the team for the other contenders to put their hands up for.
The 6th batter is the interesting one. I’m hoping to see Maxwell get a chance to play some First Class cricket and pile on some runs. Force the selectors’ hands. I still think Starc and Hazlewood will slot in as the other two bowlers, but Richardson will be right there to take any spot that opens up. Start will need to rediscover his best form between now and the first Test or I can definitely see him being dropped. Hazlewood has also been pretty disappointing this Summer and I don’t think he’s any certainty to reclaim his spot either. Richardson would be really effective in England and I love his ability to really vary his pace depending on the situation. He had it up at 147 today once it was clear the ball wasn’t going to swing. I love the idea he can bowl a completely different style if the conditions don’t suit plan A.
I wouldn’t bother with Holland. I’d have Wade in the squad both because he’s one of the best batting options in Australia and he could keep if something happens to Paine. I’d bring Pucovski partly for the experience and also because his technique is one of the best in Australia. In an ideal world you’d of course want him to play more First Class cricket before getting into the Test XI. Of course we are far from an ideal world so who knows?
It would be very hard to drop Burns, Head, or Patterson after they made tons in this Test. Flat track issues aside, those were the first tons made since Usman’s 148 in the UAE. Head and Burns both average over 40 now, and Patterson would technically average 145 but it doesn’t make much sense to talk about an average after only 2 innings. I think Khawaja has to go. That dismissal was the last straw for me. He needs to sort himself out as he’s a liability right now. So that gives us the three centurions plus Warner and Smith. Paine, Cummins, and Lyon are all locks. That leaves 3 spots in the team for the other contenders to put their hands up for.
The 6th batter is the interesting one. I’m hoping to see Maxwell get a chance to play some First Class cricket and pile on some runs. Force the selectors’ hands. I still think Starc and Hazlewood will slot in as the other two bowlers, but Richardson will be right there to take any spot that opens up. Start will need to rediscover his best form between now and the first Test or I can definitely see him being dropped. Hazlewood has also been pretty disappointing this Summer and I don’t think he’s any certainty to reclaim his spot either. Richardson would be really effective in England and I love his ability to really vary his pace depending on the situation. He had it up at 147 today once it was clear the ball wasn’t going to swing. I love the idea he can bowl a completely different style if the conditions don’t suit plan A.
I wouldn’t bother with Holland. I’d have Wade in the squad both because he’s one of the best batting options in Australia and he could keep if something happens to Paine. I’d bring Pucovski partly for the experience and also because his technique is one of the best in Australia. In an ideal world you’d of course want him to play more First Class cricket before getting into the Test XI. Of course we are far from an ideal world so who knows?
Not Pucovski but the rest of the post is good.
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