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Pick him on the A tour, then see how he copes. We have to be careful how we rush him.
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Pick him on the A tour, then see how he copes. We have to be careful how we rush him.
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Fails in tests?? He averages more than Bancroft does in tests. Both have 0 tons, Bancroft has score 1 more 50 from 2 more innings.
Neither are exactly setting the world on fire in Tests, but as the incumbent, whos done little wrong this season either before his test career commenced, nor after, plus had a more than solid start to his test career, I'm not sure why we are throwing him to the scrap heap.
But I guess there is plenty of matches to go, with an A tour, and possible county stints for batsman to come, I'm sure we'll see how the team shapes up.
I'll be honest, I'm still not convinced putting Warner in without any decent warm up is even the right way to go. But again, we wait and see.
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I guess the only thing is their trajectories went in the opposite direction. Bancroft could be seen to be improving on a slow start, Harris started well and was on a downward slide against SL.
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Interesting theory. Based on that theory, Steve smith shouldn't get back, in his last series saw him score less each match....so it seems he's on a downward slide.
I'm not against Bancroft returning, just not at the expense of Harris. Harris has shown enough for mine to stay.
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Not really the same as Smith has massive credits in the bank. Bancroft and Harris are at the start of their careers. They have both done about the same, some good scores and some bad scores. Gonna be a lot of competition on the A tour.
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Ridiculous argument. Harris was decent against India but then threw away that good will away with a poor Sri Lankan series. Looks a solid player but a big history of throwing away starts and I'd prefer more of a grinder to partner Warner for this series.
We're headed to England and our most successful opener over there across our last two series was Chris Rogers, we need someone like that at the top of the order, not a guy like Harris who was getting out in the slips against mediocre Sri Lankan bowlers.
I'm not putting a line through Harris forever, he's been great in the Shield and that's not to be ignored but what I saw at Test level suggests he's not the right player to be opening over there right now. Bancroft and Renshaw are most suited, Renshaw is obviously in career worst form however and should be behind both Harris and Burns, that leaves Bancroft who was looking good in his last Test stint, has the form and also has county experience (not to mention will also be heading over there before the Ashes).
After the Ashes it'll be open game again if Bancroft doesn't grab the chance so we might see Harris again then.
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Completly agree. We can have 2 aggressive openers in the team with Warner and Harris. Yes we could be 0-150 at end of a session but more likely we would be 2-10 after 4 overs.
Ideal scenario would be a grafter and agressive opener. Still not 100% sure if Warner should be in the team after playing no competitive cricket for so long. Will need to show form at the World Cup and against the A team. If he is playing then ideally it would be Renshaw and Bancroft as you said and leaning towards Bancroft.
My ideal team:
Bancroft
Warner
Patterson (would love this but definitly too soon)
Smith
Head
Pucovski (would love to play him but doubt they will debut him in an Ashes)
Paine
Cummins
Starc/Richardson (depending on pitch)
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Hazlewood
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I know he had a solid summer in Australia, but I'm going to stand by my prediction that Travis Head will be all at sea in England and won't average more than 25 for the series.
I agree with the idea that Bancroft is a more likely long term successful test opener than Harris, but right now I don't think there is sufficient evidence to make the swap. Especially since Harris has done superbly in the Shield since the tests ended.
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I think Harris will get first crack; I wouldn't mind Bancroft at 6 either, but you would imagine Khawaja, Head and Patterson will all get first crack in their respective positions, so unfortunately, he probably won't get a gig unless someone is stinking it up (at which point we may already be in trouble).
I think this is a distinct possibility. Also for Patterson and Harris.
Might have a bit to do with the conditions, all across the board whole teams are going out for under 200.
Without a doubt you are right but would still be nice to see a few of them stand up when the conditions go bad.
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Isnt that what is going to happen in England tho? Overcast conditions and Dukes ball...
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Pattinson with 4 for 12 in the last innings so far.
Hopefully he can stay fit and get picked for the A tour.
Hopefully he can stay fit and get picked for the A tour.
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when fit, he's in the top 3 quick bowlers in the country, just keeps getting let down by his body. Fit and firing, he's in the Ashes starting 11, just bloody annoying he can't seem to stay fit long enough to really push his case.
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I haven't thought about this for like a day so:
Burns
Harris
Khawaja (ugh)
Smith
Patterson
Wade
Paine (c, +)
Cummins
Richardson
Lyon
Hazlewood
Warner, Bancroft, Head, Starc, Holland, Pattinson/Tremain/Bird/Sayers
I'd be happy to see Warner/Bancroft in, Patterson 3, Burns 5, Khawaja out, but I think Khawaja gets first go.
Burns
Harris
Khawaja (ugh)
Smith
Patterson
Wade
Paine (c, +)
Cummins
Richardson
Lyon
Hazlewood
Warner, Bancroft, Head, Starc, Holland, Pattinson/Tremain/Bird/Sayers
I'd be happy to see Warner/Bancroft in, Patterson 3, Burns 5, Khawaja out, but I think Khawaja gets first go.
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I don't understand that. He was superb before the Tests and has been superb after like you said, that suggests he was in form the whole time and his performance against Sri Lanka is him at the peak of his powers. I'm not sold on that and don't think his style is going to be suitable in England, opening with Warner.
Personally thing if he starts it shows we've learned nothing about going about selection overseas and it'll just be similar to Siddle where we refused to make changes to how we select bowlers until the fifth Test and by then it was too late (and he was the best of our bowlers in that match).
Off the topic of Harris, Wade is currently on 92 and his FC average is almost 40. Has to go over as a reserve of some sort.
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Curious to know why Head finds himself out of the side and replaced with Wade, yet Harris is still in he side.
Like I said above, Wade has to be considered as a reserve and while I'm not necessarily sold on Head long term he's been our best batsman over the 6 Tests and was at least solid even against the good bowling.
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Wade surely at this stage is in front of Pattinson,Labertouche and Head and will be selected in the A side which will perhaps decide the final 15 for the ashes.
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I'd be surprised if they didn't have 17. 2 extra quicks, an extra spinner, an extra opener, extra middle order bat and extra keeper, which may be Wade. Also it's Patterson and Labuschagne.
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Why would Wade be ahead of Head, our best performed bat of the summer, and Patterson, who scored big against SL? International runs still count more than Shield runs.
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But at the same time, Head hasn't scored many runs since returning to the Shield, and if you look at the precedent set by Renshaw and a couple of others, the selectors look at that.
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