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00Stinger

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Alisson has faced 46 shots in 17 games, Let in 6. Save percentage 87%. 2.4 saves a game.

Henderson has faced 84 shots in 24 games, Let in 20. Save percentage 76%. 2.6 saves a game.

So Henderson doesn't even make 1 extra save a game, but lets in 14 more goals.
I believe that is check mate
 

00Stinger

Duel Group 1 winner
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-------------Alisson-----------------
TAA, Van Dijk, Soyuncu, Robertson
-Henderson, De Bruyne, Grealish-
-------Salah, Vardy, Ings-----------
 

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RossFC

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I'm awaiting the response of "I was just trolling" or "Who gives a crap about (insert stat of choice here)" or about how Alisson is being saved by his back 4 despite them being overrated (VVD), being bottom 5 in the league in their position (Arnold), not good enough for England (Gomez), and a poormans Digne (Robbo).
 

Zidane98

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-------------Alisson-----------------
TAA, Van Dijk, Soyuncu, Robertson
-Henderson, De Bruyne, Grealish-
-------Salah, Vardy, Ings-----------

Just about nailed it I reckon. Maddison a shout but it has to be either Maddison or Grealish.
 

Zidane98

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Yeah possible changes/toss ups

Grealish - Maddison
Salah/Ings - Aguero
Aguero / Vardy would have to be the choice. Maybe Vardy could play in a front 3 on the left but Kun is only a CF. Salah has really stepped it up of late. Perhaps Salah/Aguero/Vardy? Tough on Ingsy though.
 

apollo_creed

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Alisson has obviously been the best goalkeeper in the league again this season but Dean Henderson might get in because he's done well for a "lesser club" that is overachieving, plus the team will already be Liverpool heavy. It'd be good and deserved recognition for him, where as Alisson doesn't really need it.
Why 'obviously'?
Clean sheets is a metric but hardly a determinant considering the varying quality of teammates and defenses goalkeepers have in front of them.

He may deserve it he may not but either way players would hardly see Sheffield United play compared the bigger teams so that does work against Henderson.

The team is flawed in that respect in that players are voting on something largely based on what they have seen or 1 or 2 games against that opposition, or based on media crap.

Not offering an opinion on Allison v Henderson as I would have no idea.
 

Zidane98

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Why 'obviously'?
Clean sheets is a metric but hardly a determinant considering the varying quality of teammates and defenses goalkeepers have in front of them.

He may deserve it he may not but either way players would hardly see Sheffield United play compared the bigger teams so that does work against Henderson.

The team is flawed in that respect in that players are voting on something largely based on what they have seen or 1 or 2 games against that opposition, or based on media crap.

Not offering an opinion on Allison v Henderson as I would have no idea.
Grealish or Maddison for you?
 

ADL9798

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Aguero running at 1.46 goals + assists per 90. Only 1 goal behind Vardy in the golden boot race despite playing 838 fewer minutes.

Has to be in the side.

After 25 games my team is:

Alisson; Arnold, Soyuncu, Van Dijk, Robertson; Henderson, De Bruyne; Firmino, Salah, Vardy, Aguero
 

Bradesmaen

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Alisson has faced 46 shots in 17 games, Let in 6. Save percentage 87%. 2.4 saves a game.

Henderson has faced 84 shots in 24 games, Let in 20. Save percentage 76%. 2.6 saves a game.

So Henderson doesn't even make 1 extra save a game, but lets in 14 more goals.
Not the stats I have. I don't have Henderson in this bargain anyway. I have Dubravka. Alisson doesn't make a lot of difficult saves because he doesn't have to. A long range shot that comes straight at him is a save. It's a pointless metric in some ways. Adrian has been the better keeper in the Liverpool side this year and hasn't been sent off.

You Liverpool fans are the most delusional around, must be something in the water that causes it. Next you'll tell me that Shaqiri is a premier league footballer or Origi is in the top 6 strikers in the league

The following are two shots on targets chalk maps from the weekend. Guess who's is who's

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jod23

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Alisson has faced 46 shots in 17 games, Let in 6. Save percentage 87%. 2.4 saves a game.

Henderson has faced 84 shots in 24 games, Let in 20. Save percentage 76%. 2.6 saves a game.

So Henderson doesn't even make 1 extra save a game, but lets in 14 more goals.
As Rafa would say... facts.
 

jod23

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Not the stats I have. I don't have Henderson in this bargain anyway. I have Dubravka. Alisson doesn't make a lot of difficult saves because he doesn't have to. A long range shot that comes straight at him is a save. It's a pointless metric in some ways. Adrian has been the better keeper in the Liverpool side this year and hasn't been sent off.

You Liverpool fans are the most delusional around, must be something in the water that causes it. Next you'll tell me that Shaqiri is a premier league footballer or Origi is in the top 6 strikers in the league

The following are two shots on targets chalk maps from the weekend. Guess who's is who's

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You're an Everton fan though soooo...
 

apollo_creed

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Alisson has faced 46 shots in 17 games, Let in 6. Save percentage 87%. 2.4 saves a game.

Henderson has faced 84 shots in 24 games, Let in 20. Save percentage 76%. 2.6 saves a game.

So Henderson doesn't even make 1 extra save a game, but lets in 14 more goals.
These stats are somewhat relevant in comparison in forming an arguable point because im sure no one here has seen 5 Sheffield United games this season (surely not) and so comparing Player A from a team 50% of this forum supports with Player B that 0% does requires fair statistical comparison, to balance the fanatical cheerleading. In this case it is a fair and semi-persuasive argument.

Of course what it doesn’t tell you (and why it will only ever be an arguable point) is how saveable those shots were, how realistic saving them was etc. Maybe one of them has been done a statistical favour by the number of unrealistic long range or tight angle shots and poor straight at them finishes from misfiring strikers?

And the other has had a disproportionate number of top corner, unsaveable shots?

I personally think Allison gets it and I have no idea as I only watch Villa but the number of goals conceded and dominance of Liverpool will dictate the vote.
 

Bradesmaen

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Newcastle have 31 points and 36 goals against. Using expected goals they should have just 8 points and conceded 48. Dubravka hasn't been perfect either, he's made 3 mistakes but when you're facing what he faces regularly you're bound to make an error here or there.
 

Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite

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Not the stats I have. I don't have Henderson in this bargain anyway. I have Dubravka. Alisson doesn't make a lot of difficult saves because he doesn't have to. A long range shot that comes straight at him is a save. It's a pointless metric in some ways. Adrian has been the better keeper in the Liverpool side this year and hasn't been sent off.
Although most of what you're saying right now is wrong, thought I'd highlight the above in particular since we were talking about this in the Liverpool thread just the other day.

Alison has repeatedly stood up this season to make difficult saves, maybe hasn't had to do it as much as keepers in a poor team but Alison's immensely high level and consistency is a reason our defence this season has been overrated.

FWIW my ranking so far would be;
1) Alison / Dubravka
3) Henderson
 

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