Unsolved Romauld Zak - Suspicious suicide - Claremont, West Australia

[Sorbet Bliss]

http://murderinhospital.com/opinion-4.html

Robin Napper further comments after second inquest.

 

[Melsy]

Amazing that there is so many inconsistencies in specialists reports.

Dosed with a medication that tends to put people to sleep, he pulls the string out of his pants, then ties it up in a tree?

Id like to see the amount of suicides where people take the string out their pants to hang themselves? Had he attempted suicide by hanging before?

Why do the parents feel he was raped?

Some scary stats. Rom had no substances in his system.

"Between 30-50% of suicides, detectable substances are found during post-mortem coronal investigations, with alcohol being the most common.[23]"
"In Australia, 48% of all suicides in 2000 were by 35 to 64-year-olds; an additional 13% were by 65 year olds and over.[4] The suicide rates for children younger than 15 years is estimated to have increased by 92% between the 1960s to 1990s"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Australia

 

[Sorbet Bliss]

Amazing that the second coronial inquest finding was suicide imo.

When you've got Robin Napper, a highly qualified criminal investigator, with over 30 years experience in the field, a Curriculum Vitae That's off the charts, who was "instrumental in introducing DNA technology across Australia, a consultant to both Federal and State governments and intrinsically involved in a number of high profile homicide and miscarriage of justice cases in WA", saying that he stands firm by his observations irrespective of the second coronial inquest finding of suicide and believes a new thorough investigation is needed, then that's who I'm going to sit with on this one.
I believe it was murder staged to look like suicide.

 

[Melsy]

Amazing that the second coronial inquest finding was suicide imo.

When you've got Robin Napper, a highly qualified criminal investigator, with over 30 years experience in the field, a Curriculum Vitae That's off the charts, who was "instrumental in introducing DNA technology across Australia, a consultant to both Federal and State governments and intrinsically involved in a number of high profile homicide and miscarriage of justice cases in WA", saying that he stands firm by his observations irrespective of the second coronial inquest finding of suicide and believes a new thorough investigation is needed, then that's who I'm going to sit with on this one.
I believe it was murder staged to look like suicide.

I dare say this would have legal compensation repercussions.

DNA testing might have been valuable in establishing who was there and who to omit.

Being close to Ciara Glennon, this death weeks later would have been treated very different. Allegedly, Zak had visited Ciaras grave on multiple occasions.

Good chance it is unrelated, but what sort of investigative professional disregards it at a whim?

As the Karrakatta gardener stated, there have been some bad incidents occur around Graylands. Female staff not allowed alone.

Why was this witness, "Silence" disregarded? "At this point in time", investigators had a bad reputation of not presenting evidence to suit their outcomes, hence CCC involvement, something Rayney and lawyers in the street his wifes was car was left, representing officers in the investigation.

 

[Melsy]

'It was common knowledge he was assaulted" prior suicide
http://murderinhospital.com/witnesses-5.html

 

[Happy Freo]

Amazing that the second coronial inquest finding was suicide imo.

When you've got Robin Napper, a highly qualified criminal investigator, with over 30 years experience in the field, a Curriculum Vitae That's off the charts, who was "instrumental in introducing DNA technology across Australia, a consultant to both Federal and State governments and intrinsically involved in a number of high profile homicide and miscarriage of justice cases in WA", saying that he stands firm by his observations irrespective of the second coronial inquest finding of suicide and believes a new thorough investigation is needed, then that's who I'm going to sit with on this one.
I believe it was murder staged to look like suicide.

Suspect you are right SB.

Would be of interest to cross reference the CSK witness statements from Claremont to associates of Ron.

When did the hospital authorities realise Ron was missing from Graylands, when was it reported to his family and police by hospital authorities, when was he found?

Six days according to Napper.

What investigation did Graylands undertake given their apparent (and appalling) failing of duty of care to a patient?

Sounds as dodgy AF.

Just sayin.

 

[one eyed spy]

Suspect you are right SB.
Sounds as dodgy AF.

Totally agree. Appears to me that the 2nd inquest may have been an exercise in defending the decision to overturn the original work of the Coroners Court rather than a thoroughly new assessment of all the evidence to ensure the finding was accurate.

It wouldnt matter if 10 inquests came to the same conclusion when there are outstanding issues not addressed, available witnesses not called and the professional opinions of experienced people disregarded seemingly without cause.

I think the underlying sentiment was that it was just another suicide by a patient from Graylands from the outset and the system failed him time and time again. I'd be filthy if it was my family member.

 

[Happy Freo]

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ged-thread-see-op.985161/page-3#post-31398095

Ron has been discussed previously on the first CSK thread.

Wish those posters were still around and we could ask their views.

Usual suspects by the looks.

 

[GreyCrow]

'It was common knowledge he was assaulted" prior suicide
http://murderinhospital.com/witnesses-5.html

Stop quoting his parents blog. It is not an objective look at the circumstances

 

[Happy Freo]

Stop quoting his parents blog. It is not an objective look at the circumstances

Hey Crow. Stop gaslighting Melsy.

Looks a lot more objective than the investigation or inquest champ.

Did you read the reports?

 

[GreyCrow]

Stop gaslighting Melsy.

Looks a lot more objective than the investigation or inquest champ.

Did you read the reports?

I did. That blog is a one sided biased look at protecting a loved one.

Champ

 

[Happy Freo]

I did. That blog is a one sided biased look at protecting a loved one.

Champ

Guess if you lost a child in highly suspicious circumstances you would just accept it? Loved ones Crow?

 

[GreyCrow]

Guess if you lost a child in highly suspicious circumstances you would just accept it? Loved ones Crow?

Oh I have no doubt they loved their son and are trying to protect him. Doesnt change the fact its a biased blog. Happy to accept conclusions from non-biased sites

 

[Happy Freo]

Oh I have no doubt they loved their son and are trying to protect him. Doesnt change the fact its a biased blog. Happy to accept conclusions from non-biased sites

Would have to disagree with you Crow. The reports from investigators there have much better reputations that anything the state could produce. Scotland Yard etc. And they point to murder.

 

[GreyCrow]

Would have to disagree with you Crow. The reports from investigators there have much better reputations that anything the state could produce. Scotland Yard etc. And they point to murder.

And yet the State disagreed. Sure they could be covering up an incompetent coroner. But at what cost

Did those investigators have full disclosure of the police files or just the bits and pieces available to the Zak family?

 

[Happy Freo]

And yet the State disagreed. Sure they could be covering up an incompetent coroner. But at what cost

Did those investigators have full disclosure of the police files or just the bits and pieces available to the Zak family?

As both of us have stated before the state has ****ed up royally in the past. Even the Commish stated errors were made on CSK for example. Mallard - there’s another unsolved crime...

Guess we are now operating in a new technological age - suggest this will be or has been reopened.

 

[Kurve]

Guess we are now operating in a new technological age - suggest this will be or has been reopened.

Not without new information imo but I don't think it's totally out of the question something might come up through the CSK trial

 

[Sorbet Bliss]

Not without new information imo but I don't think it's totally out of the question something might come up through the CSK trial

Agree.

I don't think Danuta Zak will ever give up her quest for answers. Answers imo she is owed.

Can't remember where I read it, but was after the second inquest, I believe photographic evidence taken at the scene was presented for the first time at second inquest, images that had not been released to the family, despite having being granted access to the case file and photographs via FOI.
Napper queried the obvious what else was withheld?

Certainly not the first time this has happened in fact I'd go as far as to say it's rife.

 

[Melsy]

Not without new information imo but I don't think it's totally out of the question something might come up through the CSK trial

So Ciara and Rom were not besties?

Lazy investigations. CCC investigations of local officers

 

[Melsy]

Agree.

I don't think Danuta Zak will ever give up her quest for answers. Answers imo she is owed.

Can't remember where I read it, but was after the second inquest, I believe photographic evidence taken at the scene was presented for the first time at second inquest, images that had not been released to the family, despite having being granted access to the case file and photographs via FOI.
Napper queried the obvious what else was withheld?
Certainly not the first time this has happened in fact I'd go as far as to say it's rife.

The whole thing was a bit blase'. If Rom and Ciara were close, and Rom visited Ciaras grave site at Karrakatta then dies weeks later?

I wouldn't stop either, but I think the trial will bring us more info. Not that the case is related, but we may here relationships in the law firm, such as the bunch of work mates that Ciara was out with celebrating St Patricks day prior her disappearance

Forum users concerns are granted. I would be questioning anyone who makes claims of bias. Anyone making claims of bias needs to provide evidence this is not related.

There has been a CCC investigation. Officers sacked.

This is not a standard case. Rom worked with Ciara, and for all we know, was socialising with Ciara along with work mates the night she went.

Indirectly, Rom is probably another victim. Stricken with grief.

 

[Melsy]

What was Rom assaulted over? Rom's assault was allegedly common knowledge by Silence. Was it a sexual assault?

Did Rom hang himself over the loss of Ciara?

The person charged with Ciaras murder had a wife in law. Corryn was in law. There is multiple articles on the socialising of lawyers at events. The card found near Corryns site was from a legal social event.

We have heard unconfirmed reports of an accused that drove law firm friends home.

 

[GreyCrow]

What was Rom assaulted over? Which was allegedly common knowledge by Silence.

Did Rom hang himself over the loss of Ciara?

The person charged with Ciaras murder had a wife in law. Corryn was in law. There is multiple articles on the socialising of lawyers at events. The card found near Corryns site was from a legal social event.

We have heard unconfirmed reports of an accused that drove law firm friends home.

All the more reason Zak should be considered a suspect

 

[Melsy]

As both of us have stated before the state has ****** up royally in the past. Even the Commish stated errors were made on CSK for example. Mallard - there’s another unsolved crime...

Guess we are now operating in a new technological age - suggest this will be or has been reopened.

Multiple wrongful convictions in the area. LW harassed to death. Multiple unsolved crimes in the area.

Even the retic girl's murderer has not been found. Hugall and Hoile girl (213 Stirling Highway) was buying $10000 worth of speed at a time.

There were 'unconfirmed' reports that Telstra guys were running a reticulation business on the side. Telephone cable might have been suited to rigging retic systems.

Another rape victim in Karrakatta in 1995.

Rom is in the cluster https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/Claremont_Attacks/JYm3Rct01U

 

[Happy Freo]

Multiple wrongful convictions in the area. LW harassed to death. Multiple unsolved crimes in the area.

Even the retic girl's murderer has not been found. Hugall and Hoile girl (213 Stirling Highway) was buying $10000 worth of speed at a time.

There were 'unconfirmed' reports that Telstra guys were running a reticulation business on the side. Telephone cable might have been suited to rigging retic systems.

Another rape victim in Karrakatta in 1995.

Rom is in the cluster https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/Claremont_Attacks/JYm3Rct01U

Quite a few innocent suspects and POI’s wouldn’t be real happy, the victims families and friends even less so.

The guilty should expect an unfavourable and perhaps unsavoury reaction.

 

[Sorbet Bliss]

The whole thing was a bit blase'. If Rom and Ciara were close, and Rom visited Ciaras grave site at Karrakatta then dies weeks later?

I wouldn't stop either, but I think the trial will bring us more info. Not that the case is related, but we may here relationships in the law firm, such as the bunch of work mates that Ciara was out with celebrating St Patricks day prior her disappearance

Forum users concerns are granted. I would be questioning anyone who makes claims of bias. Anyone making claims of bias needs to provide evidence this is not related.

There has been a CCC investigation. Officers sacked.

This is not a standard case. Rom worked with Ciara, and for all we know, was socialising with Ciara along with work mates the night she went.

Indirectly, Rom is probably another victim. Stricken with grief.

Agree that there was a "blasè" element, most likely from "an underlying sentiment that it was just another suicide from graylands" as one eyed has suggested, but something else to consider.

"Arguably, the most important person at a crime scene is the first officer to arrive. The manner in which he/she initially handles a crime scene can dictate how things go in the overall investigation."

The first responding officer was from the Claremont police station.
Among the additional crime scene officers, Claremont CIB....not the best reputation's to put it mildly.
while I understand not all officers from those branches were sketchy, one could be forgiven for lacking confidence in their proficiency of handling their areas of the case.


Irrespective of what truly may have happened to this lad, we all know his story has generated a lot of interest over the years with plenty of differing opinions and speculations surrounding the CSK case both out in the community and online so I'm sure the Zak family and police have heard it all.
My question is, did they ever explore it?