Ronnie in trouble

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#51
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Leaving a baby in the back seat on a hot day would be irresponsible. I am pretty careful with thse things because I never lock the car before I take something out of it.

If by some tiny chance I did lock the baby in the car the first thing I would do is smash the front dor window. ;)
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But the shards might cut the baby:p
 

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#54
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I think a few people are forgetting that Ronnie is repeat offender. Didn't he lose his licence once when he was with Geelong??????
My Geelong supporting mate doesn't think so, and I might have thought that if he had previous it would have been brought up in the media.

Could be wrong though.
 

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In terms of publicity, Ronnie's got off pretty light.

I was in Melbourne today on business and do you reckon the Saints rape thing is big over there – and they reckon here is a fish bowl. Over there it’s under a microscope.

The papers are full of it - page after page. Everyone's talking about it.

I reckon Ronnie would have copped a lot more flak from the press and supporters if he did the same thing in Melbourne - their press is ruthlesss!!
 

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Originally posted by macca23
In terms of publicity, Ronnie's got off pretty light.

I was in Melbourne today on business and do you reckon the Saints rape thing is big over there – and they reckon here is a fish bowl. Over there it’s under a microscope.

The papers are full of it - page after page. Everyone's talking about it.

I reckon Ronnie would have copped a lot more flak from the press and supporters if he did the same thing in Melbourne - their press is ruthlesss!!
You are probably right but personally, I think the St. Kilda issue is that much more serious. If allegations are proven right then its a HUGE kick in the nuts for the saints. If the allegations are proven correct you've got to feel sorry for th girl involved.

Front Page in Herald Sun tommorrow is the story about Burgoyne/Hueskus "Incident" from a few years back. There is a lot of other things that will come out in the wash this year.
 

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#57
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
You are probably right but personally, I think the St. Kilda issue is that much more serious. If allegations are proven right then its a HUGE kick in the nuts for the saints. If the allegations are proven correct you've got to feel sorry for th girl involved.

Front Page in Herald Sun tommorrow is the story about Burgoyne/Hueskus "Incident" from a few years back. There is a lot of other things that will come out in the wash this year.
No argument Stiffy - the St. Kilda issue is much more serious!!

The thing I can't get over though in Melbourne is how vicious the media are, and how aware the average punter - male or female - is in Melbourne of what's going on!!
 

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Originally posted by macca23
No argument Stiffy - the St. Kilda issue is much more serious!!

The thing I can't get over though in Melbourne is how vicious the media are, and how aware the average punter - male or female - is in Melbourne of what's going on!!
I think we are also forgetting that Melbourne is a football crazy city as is Adelaide but since there are 10 victorian clubs in the AFL the Melbourne media are far more ruthless. In Adelaide a lot of people are "afraid" to speak out so they won't put their mates at the footy club in akward position.

If Burns was in Victoria he would get more publicity. However, even then his story would fall into insignificance beause the rape allegations story is a much bigger fish to fry. If it was the players from SA clubs the media here would also be ruthless. Maybe not to the extent to the Victorian Media. It will be interesting to listen to KG and Cornesy's show 2moro to hear if they will make any comments about the front Page of tommorow's Herald Sun.
 

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#59
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
There is a lot of other things that will come out in the wash this year.
Fingers crossed we stay out of it.

Mud sticks whether true or not. At the moment it is flying in all directions.

Personally I think someone needs to bounce the bloody footy and now! Not to belittle these cases, but the AFL needs to get on, much as it needed to two years ago with the Carey situation.

My gut feeling is that women in future will go to the media rather then the police in the case of sexual assault. Since most of the time this stuff is hard to make stick through legal channels, it seems that the only way for a woman to get anything like justice and to hurt the perportrator in any way is through the press. A sad indictment on our society.
 
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#60
Originally posted by macca23
No argument Stiffy - the St. Kilda issue is much more serious!!

The thing I can't get over though in Melbourne is how vicious the media are, and how aware the average punter - male or female - is in Melbourne of what's going on!!
Your right its a more competitive market media wise, business wise, and sports wise.
The amount of "sports media" options leave little Adelaide a fair bit behind. Creates an amazing "battle" amongst the media for stories and that competitive edge.
They also like to put us (the Crows) down as often as possible - and it influences perceptions about our performances/capabilities.
 

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Originally posted by napsyd
Fingers crossed we stay out of it.

Mud sticks whether true or not. At the moment it is flying in all directions.

Personally I think someone needs to bounce the bloody footy and now! Not to belittle these cases, but the AFL needs to get on, much as it needed to two years ago with the Carey situation.

My gut feeling is that women in future will go to the media rather then the police in the case of sexual assault. Since most of the time this stuff is hard to make stick through legal channels, it seems that the only way for a woman to get anything like justice and to hurt the perportrator in any way is through the press. A sad indictment on our society.
As usual you are spot on. I hope we stay out of it but you can never be too sure.

Mud does stick whether true or not. Unfortunatly if a player is proved to be innocent he would still have to carry the burden of allegations for the rest of his life.

Bounce the bloody thing.
 

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#62
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
As usual you are spot on. I hope we stay out of it but you can never be too sure.

Mud does stick whether true or not. Unfortunatly if a player is proved to be innocent he would still have to carry the burden of allegations for the rest of his life.

Bounce the bloody thing.
Agree entirely but......

Being found not guilty is not proved innocent (unless you are a former Carlton Pres).

Football now is a multi million $ business. It is about time those on high wages acted professionally and not like yobs on an end of season trip. There is too much latitude given because they are footballers. If they were dentists we would all say shame. Dentists however are on less pay on average.

While I have sympathy for anyone who is named and is not guilty, it irks me how the media machine of clubs and the AFL now portrays those players subject to allegations as victims.

I'm sorry , but there are victims and perpetrators. And if these individuals are guilty of criminal behavior then they are NOT victims, they deserve everything coming to them.
 

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Originally posted by tinman
Agree entirely but......

Being found not guilty is not proved innocent (unless you are a former Carlton Pres).

Football now is a multi million $ business. It is about time those on high wages acted professionally and not like yobs on an end of season trip. There is too much latitude given because they are footballers. If they were dentists we would all say shame. Dentists however are on less pay on average.

While I have sympathy for anyone who is named and is not guilty, it irks me how the media machine of clubs and the AFL now portrays those players subject to allegations as victims.

I'm sorry , but there are victims and perpetrators. And if these individuals are guilty of criminal behavior then they are NOT victims, they deserve everything coming to them.
You are spot on.

You just have to listen to Cornesy on 5AA to get sick in the stomach. He is just standing up for the football comuniity which is understandable but as you say we have to think of the victims in these situations.

Which ever way you look at it the victim (whether that a player or the girl/s that was/were allegedly raped) will have to live with it for the rest of their life.

This is one very ugly situation and personally, I think there is more to come.:(
 

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#64
Originally posted by tinman

While I have sympathy for anyone who is named and is not guilty, it irks me how the media machine of clubs and the AFL now portrays those players subject to allegations as victims.

Good post overall and in particular on this point.

St Kilda have come out publicly and said they are backing their players totally. The concern to me with that is that they are saying that those accused of the rape are innocent and the girls are liars. It's a pre-judgement by them, in spite of the fact that at that stage the police enquiry had barely started.

The truth is at this stage the club doesn't know whether it has feral rapists on its hands or unfortunate victims of untruthful accusations.

I would much prefer the approach that it is a difficult time for all parties and as the matter is in the hands of police investigation the club is unable to comment further.

While they may support their players internally, they should not be making public noises as if their players are the victims.
 

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Is the media portraying the players as victims? I don't get that impression.

Their names have been dragged through the mud before they've even been proven guilty in a court of law. And that mud sticks.

I also have no problem with St Kilda sticking by their players. If a friend or family member was so accused and was adament in their innocence, you'd most likely give them your support. A football club plays a big role in their players life, so I don't see why it shouldn't be the same.

They're free to withdraw their support if/when the allegations are proven.
 

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Is the media portraying the players as victims? I don't get that impression.

I also have no problem with St Kilda sticking by their players. If a friend or family member was so accused and was adament in their innocence, you'd most likely give them your support. A football club plays a big role in their players life, so I don't see why it shouldn't be the same.

You're missing the point IMO.

I didn't say that the media were portraying the player as victims. It was the Saints public attitude I was objecting to, not them giving the players internal support. What I did say was

"St Kilda have come out publicly and said they are backing their players totally. The concern to me with that is that they are saying that those accused of the rape are innocent and the girls are liars. It's a pre-judgement by them, in spite of the fact that at that stage the police enquiry had barely started"

We may see this differently, but a public statement like that BEFORE the enquiry is concluded implies that the girls are liars.
 

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#67
Originally posted by DaveW
Is the media portraying the players as victims? I don't get that impression.

Their names have been dragged through the mud before they've even been proven guilty in a court of law. And that mud sticks.

I also have no problem with St Kilda sticking by their players. If a friend or family member was so accused and was adament in their innocence, you'd most likely give them your support. A football club plays a big role in their players life, so I don't see why it shouldn't be the same.

They're free to withdraw their support if/when the allegations are proven.
It's eerie Dave, I almost wrote the exact same post, but didn't go through with the "Submit reply" :eek:

Must be all part of being Crows board and Allies team mates ;)
 

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Originally posted by macca23
You're missing the point IMO.

I didn't say that the media were portraying the player as victims. It was the Saints public attitude I was objecting to, not them giving the players internal support. What I did say was

"St Kilda have come out publicly and said they are backing their players totally. The concern to me with that is that they are saying that those accused of the rape are innocent and the girls are liars. It's a pre-judgement by them, in spite of the fact that at that stage the police enquiry had barely started"

We may see this differently, but a public statement like that BEFORE the enquiry is concluded implies that the girls are liars.
I was actually referring to points addressed by both you and tinman.

So what should St Kilda have done? They've been transparent in the way they released the two names to the media (although perhaps their hand was forced by channel seven). After doing that I think it was the perfectly proper thing to give public support of their players. Anything less would have looked like they were hanging them out to dry, whether they gave them private support or not.

St Kilda obviously has a vested interest in this; so there's no need for them to pretend to be impartial. I don't think professing their support for the players brands the girls as liars.
 

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Originally posted by ant
It's eerie Dave, I almost wrote the exact same post, but didn't go through with the "Submit reply" :eek:

Must be all part of being Crows board and Allies team mates ;)
I guess we know what support for each other is about at the Allies. What with our 100% winning record in the BFFCL Test competition. :D
 
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